Consolidated Fall of Kabul Update Thread

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10004273/Afghan-survivors-US-drone-strike-Sorry-not-enough.html
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CIA issued warning that children may be at scene of Kabul drone strike BEFORE missile hit car: Family of dead three-year-old demands person responsible is 'punished' and says he will accept compensation from US military
  • Three sources said the urgent warning came just moments too late - after the military launched the Hellfire missile and just seconds before it struck
  • The precise time lapse between the missile being launched and the intel warning is not clear but it may have cost the lives of the 10 innocent civilians
  • Based on the maximum drone altitude and maximum missile speed there would have been a roughly 34 second lapse between launch and it hitting its target
  • Emal Ahmadi, whose three-year-old daughter Malika was killed in the August 29 Hellfire missile attack, said an apology from the US is 'not enough'
  • The grieving father demanded America 'finds the person who did this' saying 'I want him punished'
  • The Pentagon admitted Friday the man targeted in the attack was not an ISIS-K operative, as previously thought, but an aid worker
  • Head of US Central Command Gen. Frank McKenzie said the US made a 'tragic mistake' and he offered his 'sincere apology' to the victims
  • The strike targeted Zemari Ahmadi, a longtime worker for a US aid group
  • He was killed along with seven children and two adult family members
By RACHEL SHARP FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED: 10:11 EDT, 18 September 2021 | UPDATED: 17:01 EDT, 18 September 2021

The CIA issued a warning that children may be at the scene of the botched US drone strike in Kabul seconds before the missile hit the car killing 10 innocent civilians, according to a bombshell report.

Three sources told CNN an urgent warning that civilians were likely in the area and that children could be inside the target vehicle came just moments too late - moments after the military launched the Hellfire missile toward the target and just seconds before it struck.

The precise time lapse between the missile being launched and the intel warning of civilians in the area is not clear.
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So cia created the target package then threw in the warning before the trigger was pulled? Bet that decision came from the top. Maybe someone who wanted to say a righteous decision maybe....
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Tucker on the Pentago's "over the horizon" technology...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-biden-stop-lying
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Tucker Carlson: The Biden administration finally forced to stop lying
Fox News host rips Pentagon spokesman John Kirby as a 'liar'
Tucker Carlson By Tucker Carlson | Fox News

As American forces were pulling out of Afghanistan this summer, Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, announced a new and highly innovative intelligence partnership. The Pentagon, Milley said, would begin sharing classified information with the Taliban the bearded religious extremists in man pajamas that for 20 years we've been told pose a major threat to the United States. But no longer, they're our partners now. The Biden administration, Milley explained, was open to coordinating with the Taliban on counterterrorism strikes against our new enemies a shadowy group that may or may not actually exist, called "ISIS-K"....

...The White House touted the strike as a demonstration of our "over-the-horizon" military capabilities in Afghanistanparticularly against ISIS-K. Mark Milley, who is pretty young to be senile but often seems like it, strongly agreed this was a good thing.

Did we say a good thing? We meant righteousthat was a righteous strike. Everyone in Washington agreed. ....

So it was perfect. All the bad people were dead. All those ISIS-K operatives. Virtually every news organization in the country parroted this account. They were grateful to give poor old Joe Biden credit for something. The Washington Post assigned five reporters to the story. They dug deep and concluded Biden's drone attack had hit quote, an "Islamic State target." On television, where there's mostly no reporting at all, they just read the paper and repeat it, not a single person seemed skeptical very skeptical of this:

MSNBC guest: Our ability to demonstrate effectively that we can strike such targets once the intelligence cues them up, we can strike them from outside afghan borders which is a critical element of the Biden plan once we withdraw. This over the horizon capability was demonstrated, I thought it was effective

CNN Anchor: You called this strike remarkable. // Guest: This is a realization of what President Biden calls the over the horizon strategy.

MSNBC, Frank Figliuzzi The military event today is so much more than just a single drone strike. It is a projection of power. It is a message from the united states government that even though we are leaving, we are not done with counterterrorism operations. Even though we're going to have to do this as we say over the horizon from remote locations and it's far more challenging, we can still do it.

Soon, however, a few people starting to ask questions. ....
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I am convinced we were absolutely and consciously duped. Taliban gives us details and we blow up a vehicle with a long time aid friendly aid worker and seven children. That is about as worst case scenario as you can get for us. With how terribly everything else went, I once again have to think this was Machiavellian at it's core and not just a regular target "oopsie".
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Eliminatus said:

I am convinced we were absolutely and consciously duped. Taliban gives us details and we blow up a vehicle with a long time aid friendly aid worker and seven children. That is about as worst case scenario as you can get for us. With how terribly everything else went, I once again have to think this was Machiavellian at it's core and not just a regular target "oopsie".


I called this in another thread.

Right after the strike took place on Aug 31st Psaki actually said that the strike was planned in conjunction with the Taliban, but then the Taliban Spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid pushed back so that narrative disappeared after it was said they'd fragged civilians.

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Under current ROE on soft urban targets only the POTUS or SECDEF could have authorized that drone strike. So either Biden or Austin pulled the trigger on this.

Once it leaked, 48 hrs later, that they had been tracking the original suicide bomber that that clacked off a 25 pound vest at the Abbey gate and the request to engage was denied, and the media was in a frenzy for retaliation, they scrambled to hit something, anything with an R9X because it has less collateral damage with soft urban targets. Biden still had the stench on him for his reluctance to hitting UBL in 2011. So just before the Coffins of the 13 arrived at Dover they fragged a civilian and his wife and kids.

Immediately Zabiullah Mujahid says Biden killed civilians, and Biden's people are Blaming the Taliban for the targeting coordinates. Biden's people claimed there was a secondary explosion that took out civilians but their relatives next door claimed there was no secondary explosion.

They just screwed up, fragged a friendly and then claimed the Taliban tipped them off to the target. Just another FUBAR in a long list of them in this entire fiasco. My guess is Austin will take the fall for this and he may have given the order to engage but he'll just return to his pension life.



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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10006039/Armed-Taliban-fighters-ride-PEDALOS-lake-Afghanistan-national-park.html
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Armed Taliban fighters ride PEDALOS on lake in Afghanistan national park as protests take place across country over ban on girls returning to schools with boys refusing to attend classes in solidarity
  • Images appear to show militants riding swan-themed vessels on the water at Band-e Amir National Park
  • Afghanistan's new Taliban rulers are now facing protests over the treatment of women and girls
  • They had excluded girls from returning to secondary school in but ordered boys back to the classroom
  • Boys are refusing to attend class in solidarity as Taliban bring back repressive rule of 1990s predecessors
By HENRY MARTIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 06:58 EDT, 19 September 2021 | UPDATED: 08:43 EDT, 19 September 2021



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will25u said:


Curious to how they determined that, DNA? because a 20-25 pound vest leaves very little of the person wearing it.

Not saying it's not true just saying it's fishy and smells of propaganda.
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sicandtiredTXN said:

will25u said:


Curious to how they determined that, DNA? because a 20-25 pound vest leaves very little of the person wearing it.

Not saying it's not true just saying it's fishy and smells of propaganda.


I agree with you, but perhaps someone let the cat out of the bag and the mission was a condition of release. Who knows.
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Catag94 said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

will25u said:


Curious to how they determined that, DNA? because a 20-25 pound vest leaves very little of the person wearing it.

Not saying it's not true just saying it's fishy and smells of propaganda.


I agree with you, but perhaps someone let the cat out of the bag and the mission was a condition of release. Who knows.
You mean the alphabets staged the attack that killed the Marines? You can't be implying that but how else to read your statement "free from Bagram as a condition of release?" What do you mean.
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The taliban freed them all so maybe he meant taliban said to do it if they were to let them out.
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sicandtiredTXN said:

will25u said:


Curious to how they determined that, DNA? because a 20-25 pound vest leaves very little of the person wearing it.

Not saying it's not true just saying it's fishy and smells of propaganda.


It's generally not a secret those who do this. They are often assigned by their own higher ups. They have essentially suicide stables with dudes they can call up at any time. Often have little ceremonies and everything before they take off.

Was it confirmed it was a foot mobile suicide? Shocking to me if so. I would have bet the house on vehicle borne due to casualties.
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Sea Speed said:

The taliban freed them all so maybe he meant taliban said to do it if they were to let them out.


Who opened the gates to the prison: us, the ANA or the taliban? And if we did it, who was on the other side of our perimeter?
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From what I gathered, the taliban when they took it over.
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Sea Speed said:

From what I gathered, the taliban when they took it over.
But they are mortal enemies.
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Sea Speed said:

The taliban freed them all so maybe he meant taliban said to do it if they were to let them out.
OH! That explains it. Context didn't make sense. "Being freed from Bagram" just assumed it meant from our custody or Afghan allies. Got it.

Scratch the above.
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Sea Speed said:

From what I gathered, the taliban when they took it over.


So here is yet another point where i am shocked. Why they didn't kill the hazari or isis affiliated prisoners.

Who knows truly - tribalism at its highest.
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Eliminatus said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

will25u said:


Curious to how they determined that, DNA? because a 20-25 pound vest leaves very little of the person wearing it.

Not saying it's not true just saying it's fishy and smells of propaganda.


It's generally not a secret those who do this. They are often assigned by their own higher ups. They have essentially suicide stables with dudes they can call up at any time. Often have little ceremonies and everything before they take off.

Was it confirmed it was a foot mobile suicide? Shocking to me if so. I would have bet the house on vehicle borne due to casualties.
Survivor account was it was a male standing in a mosh pit of hunas at the Abbey gate, the survivor account came from a soldier up on the wall. The 13 killed and the most of the injured were working the crowd trying to get them to back away from the gate. Survivors had nails and ball bearing removed from them, sounds like a vest to me. It was reported there were close to a thousand people at that gate trying to gain entry. IMHO the casualty count was low thank goodness.

I'm still skeptical of this quick ID and the source media is very very sketchy, and know to post propaganda. Read dome of the garbage First Post media puts out.
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They very obviously used their over the horizon capabilities to identify him.
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Sea Speed said:

The taliban freed them all so maybe he meant taliban said to do it if they were to let them out.


This, or perhaps Taliban freed him because he committed to do the suicide mission.
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i know it isnt worth much, but for what it is, it was heavily reported that the taliban freed all of the prisoners that were at bagram after ANA abandoned it. this dude could just legit wanting revenge.

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I visited the Bagram Prison once and none of those dudes in there would need much convincing to kill Americans. Those guys were completely into hating Americans and I'm guessing years in that ****hole prison didn't help.
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Another border crisis happening on Joe Biden's watch....
https://nypost.com/2021/09/23/afghans-dying-at-border-amid-taliban-pakistan-tension/
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Afghans dying at border as tensions intensify between Taliban, Pakistan
By Hollie McKay September 23, 2021 11:41am
Thousands of people including families and disabled individuals being pushed in wheelbarrows languish on the burning, dusty tracks. Many have been waiting days to pass through the shuttered gate to the adjacent Pakistani city of Chaman, crying and begging for the chance to seek life-saving medical aid or to be reunited with loved ones.

The area has become a "military zone" over the past several days, according to the Taliban police officials who now patrol the overstuffed space. It marks a worrisome sign of brewing conflict between the two neighboring nations.

"Pakistan is creating problems. We have an understanding with Pakistan to allow Kandahar people to cross into Pakistan. In return, people from Chaman and Quetta can enter Afghanistan using National IDs," laments Mohammad Sadiq Sabery, 28, one authority in charge of the border area in Kandahar. "They have not stood on their word. We don't have any other solution for people, as both sides are interconnected. Kids, women, and patients are waiting in line and losing their lives from the heat....


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I still think the S-vest was ISIS-K, willing to bet Taliban didn't want any violence as they want governments to think they are a legitimate government, even though they assumed power by force. A random bomb at the gate doesn't help advance their cause for the US or their new "Afghan citizens"
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Saw a headline hit my phone that Taliban wanted to address UN. I'm not sure if that happened or not as the UN is not really a legitimate organization so I didn't follow up.
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I am working through Steve Coll's Directorate S now. Enlightening. And frustrating that in some regards we may have seen this coming. Though i am not set on that opinion yet as i haven't finished it.

I was impressed with his work Ghost Wars. Recommended reading on this topic.
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Would appreciate some prayers for my brother-in-law. He was a captain in the Army and served two tours in Afghanistan. He got to be pretty close with a lot Afghan contacts and interpreters. He's getting a lot of messages from old contacts asking for help and he just found out his main interpreter and family was killed last week.

He's taking this really hard and has a ton of anger and guilt building up in him. He's seeing a counselor now but it's just eating up at him pretty bad. Any prayers would be appreciated.
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Done - will include him in prayers going forward.

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Prayed for him.
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Biden's peace partners have returned to public torture and hangings of anyone who helped the US against the Taliban in accordance with Sharia Law just as they promised to do,

In every interview the new Taliban leadership gave they always has that caveat carve out of doing everything "in accordance with Sharia Law" an the Media just glazed over it and the Biden Administration approved of it and called them peaceful and business like.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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If the Taliban wanted to Kill Shot the Biden administration they should have said:

"We call on the Biden administration to end all drone patrols over Afghanistan immediately. We cannot risk anymore innocent children's lives to a trigger happy President in the White House that no longer has over-the-horizon capabilities. You surrendered, we allowed you to leave, this is our country now."
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RulesForTheeNotForMe said:

If the Taliban wanted to Kill Shot the Biden administration they should have said:

"We call on the Biden administration to end all drone patrols over Afghanistan immediately. We cannot risk anymore innocent children's lives to a trigger happy President in the White House that no longer has over-the-horizon capabilities. You surrendered, we allowed you to leave, this is our country now."
They are waiting on the check to clear just wait until they get their $4 billion in USAID then the gloves come off
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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Doing the work that the government should have done.

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