Agthatbuilds said:

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It's the modern alamo.

Do you drop in the airborne and take Bagram back?

If this deterioration continues, do we need to surge our troop numbers just to get out?

Our leaders ****ed this up seven ways to sunday.

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Crenshaw was on FNC earlier this morning and was calling exactly for this. Granted, that shouldn't be surprising he called for that but it might be your only option.

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will25u said:

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State Department briefing initially planned at 2.15 pm EST featuring U.S. Ambassador to UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield also cancelled. Mad day. https://t.co/XkadZK3aQa

— Hümeyra Pamuk (@humeyra_pamuk) August 26, 2021

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Maybe the gov is being silent today to protect opsec for the massive, violent, reaction being set in motion right now in response to a direct attack on US soldiers after promise of safe passage..........

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Right after the Dems admit to election fraud an Trump triumphantly returns to the white house.....

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'Horrific' images emerging from Kabul

Sky's US correspondent Mark Stone says there are currently images we're unable to broadcast "because they're so horrific".

The images show the sewage canal area where thousands of people had been waiting outside Kabul airport, and where one of the blasts happened.

"The idea that it is just 13 people who have died, I think that will quickly become clear that the number is far, far greater," he says.

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https://news.sky.com/story/first-us-troops-leave-kabul-amid-increasing-risk-as-uk-working-to-keep-an-airport-open-after-deadline-afghanistan-latest-12385846

🚨🚨: Stephanopoulos says there's still a lot of pandemonium at the Kabul airport.

Biden: "But look, no one's being killed right now," then *literally knocks on wood!* What?? #Afghanistan pic.twitter.com/MNHuyHle8H

— John Cooper (@thejcoop) August 19, 2021

will25u said:

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FFS

NEW VBIED THREAT AT NORTH GATE OF HKIA: ABC

— The Bias (@thebias_news) August 26, 2021

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Biden and co. "didn't want another Blackhawk Down", but did everything in their power to create another one, but even worse.

YouBet said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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It's the modern alamo.

Do you drop in the airborne and take Bagram back?

If this deterioration continues, do we need to surge our troop numbers just to get out?

Our leaders ****ed this up seven ways to sunday.

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Crenshaw was on FNC earlier this morning and was calling exactly for this. Granted, that shouldn't be surprising he called for that but it might be your only option.

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It's coming down to extreme options.

FriscoKid said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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all the taliban has to do is lob a couple ordinance pieces onto the tarmac and runway every couple hours and it will shut it down.

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Yeah, I'm worried about that too. One runway. A couple holes and we are stranded.

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A military pilot on Bannon this morning was stressing that these airframes being utilized in the evacuations are not supposed to be used in combat settings for such expanded periods of time. He said he was surprised there had not been an accident already. If a plane crashes on the runway there, no equipment to remove the wreckage and repair the runway.

In a chilling moment he speculated that a wing could shear off, that exhausted pilots could make a mistake during in air refueling and the like.

Waiting for a few more shoes to drop.

Canceling all scheduled briefings tells me this goes farther than 4 Marines KIA. I'm thinking about the American missionaries (100) with 300 Afghan children that a 2-star 82nd Airborne General ordered them to go back outside the gate to await their charter plane. The gate he sent them to was Abbey Gate.

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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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will25u said:

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State Department briefing initially planned at 2.15 pm EST featuring U.S. Ambassador to UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield also cancelled. Mad day. https://t.co/XkadZK3aQa

— Hümeyra Pamuk (@humeyra_pamuk) August 26, 2021

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Maybe the gov is being silent today to protect opsec for the massive, violent, reaction being set in motion right now in response to a direct attack on US soldiers after promise of safe passage..........

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Right after the Dems admit to election fraud an Trump triumphantly returns to the white house.....

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will25u said:

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FFS

NEW VBIED THREAT AT NORTH GATE OF HKIA: ABC

— The Bias (@thebias_news) August 26, 2021

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Six Taliban checkpoints on way to airport, and now we have a VBIED?

Come the **** on.

But the Taliban promised us peace and safety during the withdrawal - Biden

As soon as we do that though it's all bets off with the taliban which means a full pitch firefight at the airport. Again with the issue of collateral that I don't think this White House has the stones for, because at that point to keep our boys alive you start all out bombing anything that moves around the airport.

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will25u said:

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FFS

NEW VBIED THREAT AT NORTH GATE OF HKIA: ABC

— The Bias (@thebias_news) August 26, 2021

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Biden and co. "didn't want another Blackhawk Down", but did everything in their power to create another one, but even worse.

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I'm going to be shocked if we don't end up with a C-17 down before it's all said and done.

David Harris Jr posted this on Instagram. Bodies all over the place, in and out of the sewer.

BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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will25u said:

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State Department briefing initially planned at 2.15 pm EST featuring U.S. Ambassador to UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield also cancelled. Mad day. https://t.co/XkadZK3aQa

— Hümeyra Pamuk (@humeyra_pamuk) August 26, 2021

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Maybe the gov is being silent today to protect opsec for the massive, violent, reaction being set in motion right now in response to a direct attack on US soldiers after promise of safe passage..........

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I hope you are right and this is the case. Absolutely horrible day. Praying for the wounded Marines and those who have now made the ultimate sacrifice.

Tough luck to the collateral. It's over for non military people. Biden has said so. The germans and canadians have said so.

Do what it takes to get our boys home.

Yep. My concern is whatever ISIS variant we're up to now are waiting for the planes to be full of US soldiers before trying out their newfound RPGs.

For you who have the expertise and experience: can we possibly take back Bagram?

Edit: Apologies - I now see this same question and discussion is in an earlier post.

Agthatbuilds said:

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It's the modern alamo.

Do you drop in the airborne and take Bagram back?

If this deterioration continues, do we need to surge our troop numbers just to get out?

Our leaders ****ed this up seven ways to sunday.

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I don't know.

What I cant figure out is how, exactly, do we plan to get the last few planes out.

Let's just say this is a blip and this current plan makes it to the last day, Aug 31. How do we get out? How does the last C-17 or C-130 or whatever actually get off of the ground? At that point there is nobody guarding the gates, or clearing the runways, or handling the crowds. Even if the Taliban doesn't attack.

Total cluster****

Yes absolutely, the 82nd and 75th are experts in this. The question is will we not if we can

BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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will25u said:

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State Department briefing initially planned at 2.15 pm EST featuring U.S. Ambassador to UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield also cancelled. Mad day. https://t.co/XkadZK3aQa

— Hümeyra Pamuk (@humeyra_pamuk) August 26, 2021

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Maybe the gov is being silent today to protect opsec for the massive, violent, reaction being set in motion right now in response to a direct attack on US soldiers after promise of safe passage..........

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Nope. Enemy is embedded in civilian population. Can't retaliate.

Leave enough troops behind to evac via chopper.

There is no good way. Especially if they're still there on 8/31

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For you who have the expertise and experience: can we possibly take back Bagram?

Edit: Apologies - I now see this same question and discussion is in an earlier post.

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We could if there were anyone competent running the show.

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will25u said:

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FFS

NEW VBIED THREAT AT NORTH GATE OF HKIA: ABC

— The Bias (@thebias_news) August 26, 2021

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Biden and co. "didn't want another Blackhawk Down", but did everything in their power to create another one, but even worse.

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come on guys, give the man some credit, he said he didn't want another Blackhawk down and he successfully avoided one. Blackhawk down had no US civilians at risk, lasted roughly one day, saw only 22 allied deaths, only had ~100 US troops at risk of being cutoff and overwhelmed and took place in a city that we never even pretended to have full military control over. The man is a genius, this situation is shaping up to be nothing like the battle of Mogadishu.

Agthatbuilds said:

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Leave enough troops behind to evac via chopper.

There is no good way. Especially if they're still there on 8/31

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Where exactly would those choppers land? Pakistan?

Good question. I dont know.

Gator92 said:

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'Horrific' images emerging from Kabul

Sky's US correspondent Mark Stone says there are currently images we're unable to broadcast "because they're so horrific".

The images show the sewage canal area where thousands of people had been waiting outside Kabul airport, and where one of the blasts happened.

"The idea that it is just 13 people who have died, I think that will quickly become clear that the number is far, far greater," he says.

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https://news.sky.com/story/first-us-troops-leave-kabul-amid-increasing-risk-as-uk-working-to-keep-an-airport-open-after-deadline-afghanistan-latest-12385846

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Hope that's wrong. Sky is Russian, so only slightly more credible than CNN.

Jsimonds58 said:

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As soon as we do that though it's all bets off with the taliban which means a full pitch firefight at the airport. Again with the issue of collateral that I don't think this White House has the stones for, because at that point to keep our boys alive you start all out bombing anything that moves around the airport.

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It would be but your other option is to abandon 2k Marines on top of the thousands of citizens that are already doomed.

In a sane world, Biden is stepping down today and the VP is assuming control.

I realize that second option is not good at all but I have more faith in her than biden. God help us.

Bagram would be taken easily. It is in the middle of nowhere. And is not nearly the security risk.

BUT, you have everyone headed to Kabul. Bagram is 40 miles away.

No good answer here, and it could have all been avoided.

BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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will25u said:

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State Department briefing initially planned at 2.15 pm EST featuring U.S. Ambassador to UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield also cancelled. Mad day. https://t.co/XkadZK3aQa

— Hümeyra Pamuk (@humeyra_pamuk) August 26, 2021

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Maybe the gov is being silent today to protect opsec for the massive, violent, reaction being set in motion right now in response to a direct attack on US soldiers after promise of safe passage..........

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based on the responses to this I have clearly fallen victim to Poe's law and should have laid the sarcasm on a bit thicker. while i would absolutely hope this is the case, in no way do i think it is actually what is happening. We all saw what happened last time this man was in the white house and "red lines" were crossed.

Update: FNC now ten soldiers dead, Marine and Army.

Fox just broke in and said 10 US Service members were killed.

Agthatbuilds said:

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Leave enough troops behind to evac via chopper.

There is no good way. Especially if they're still there on 8/31

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Zero chance we are still there.

if the reports are true we welded the gates shut today, we're going to be pulling our guys out by or before the end of the weekend, under cover of darkness most likely.

Just reporting at least 10 U. S. Servicemembers killed

Someone wake Biden up, change his diaper, and have him read something....

UPDATE from FoxNews - 10 US service members dead as a result of explosion at Abby gate.

52 Afghans killed.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Leave enough troops behind to evac via chopper.

There is no good way. Especially if they're still there on 8/31

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Where exactly would those choppers land? Pakistan?

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If aerial refueling is an option, we have a MEU and a carrier nearby. Not ideal but nothing about this situation is.