Consolidated Fall of Kabul Update Thread

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aggiedata said:

Media still carries the water. Insane how far we have come to no credible news outlet. Jennifer Rubin is infuriating. Wake up!!



Biden put together a coalition? Hahahahahaha ha!
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Maybe a coalition of Afghan warlords
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dmart90 said:

aggiedata said:

Media still carries the water. Insane how far we have come to no credible news outlet. Jennifer Rubin is infuriating. Wake up!!



Biden put together a coalition? Hahahahahaha ha!
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Ketch could have a future in the D party
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Wow

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/asia/kabul-airport-afghanistan-intl-hnk/index.html

One reason for the chaos was the decision to issue electronic visas, without names or document numbers, to SIV applicants. The visas were then copied as screenshots and sent by Afghans to thousands of other Afghans who were not eligible for access to the airport, a source told CNN at the weekend.
"I don't think consular, or the administration frankly, realizes how badly they f*****d up by sending that stupid visa and letting everyone in for 24 hours straight," the source said Monday.
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Yes I'd posted an article about how State facilitated the hoard fraud at the airport a week ago. Again, when bleeding heart leftists claim we are just helping 'our interpreters and allies who fought with us' it is either willful ignorance or lies.

Good news, at least the Taliban are going to demand (apparently) Xiden keep his word and be gone in a week (31st).

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THE TALIBAN'S RED LINE

Joe Biden's new Taliban friends do not appear to be in an accommodating frame of mind. They are intent on celebrating the twentieth anniversary of 9/11 in their own style. They therefore want the United States to have completed its exit by the date certain of August 31. According to this BBC update this morning:
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The Taliban will not extend the 31 August deadline for the current evacuation mission, a spokesman has said.

The 31st was a red line, Suhail Shaheen said. He said President Biden had said troops would be out by that date, and extending it meant extending Afghanistan's occupation. He warned of consequences if that were to change.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson had been expected to use an emergency G7 meeting on Tuesday to ask President Biden to delay the US troop withdrawal to allow more time for evacuations from Kabul airport.

Thousands of Afghans and foreign nationals are still scrambling to get on flights out of the country.

And they don't want to take any chance the materiel we left behind falls back into American hands.
Shaheen's Twitter feed, by the way, is accessible here. President Trump is still sidelined from the platform. Shaheen self-identifies as "Member of Negotiations Team and Polit. Office Spokesman for International Media."

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The MAGA wearing unvaxxed would probably have that situation cleaned up real quick, so this probably is a good idea.
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BLKWF12 is heading towards Afghanistan, looks like some JSOC operations will be occurring tonight somewhere in Afghanistan.
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BIIR!
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oldyella said:

BLKWF12 is heading towards Afghanistan, looks like some JSOC operations will be occurring tonight somewhere in Afghanistan.
We have been conducting overflights the entire time. Using communication birds to monitor and direct.

That data point alone is insufficient evidence of anything in particular.
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The trailblazer of American liberty has spoken. Oh wait...
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where is the rest of the 82nd Airborne at the moment?

may need them on the 31st
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W said:

where is the rest of the 82nd Airborne at the moment?

may need them on the 31st


Earning their "compassion" CRT Ribbon, at orders of high command.
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aggiehawg said:




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In November 2018, Hayden was hospitalized after suffering a stroke; he suffers from aphasia as a result.

One wonders if his wife is Tweeting for him, much like Edith Wilson and Jill Biden.


Read the rest of his Wiki entry, he's pretty damn useless and a threat to Civil Liberties

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hayden_(general)
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Hadn't heard about the stroke. Sympathy for that.

He was a POS before the stroke, though.
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Kirby is talking about ordering the military to get covid shots since FDA approval. He doesn't say a word about A-stan. Just opens it up for questions.
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The question is whether he has the coordination and motor skills necessary to be making these @$$hole tweets, after the stroke.

Heck, does he even have the mental facilities?

I am pretty much of a jerk online at times, but if my abilities were impaired by a stroke, would I waste big chunks of time on mean tweets?
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CanyonAg77 said:

The question is whether he has the coordination and motor skills necessary to be making these @$$hole tweets, after the stroke.

Heck, does he even have the mental facilities?

I am pretty much of a jerk online at times, but if my abilities were impaired by a stroke, would I waste big chunks of time on mean tweets?
No way to know unless he does a TV interview.
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aggiehawg said:

Kirby is talking about ordering the military to get covid shots since FDA approval. He doesn't say a word about A-stan. Just opens it up for questions.
What have we had, what, all of 3 or 6 service members die from covid? But, whatever, that's the big news.

The military requires members to get all kinds of vaccinations, and more crap to deploy. That shouldn't be a big deal at all, you are functionally physically the property of the US government while in service.
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Finally a good question from a reporter and the state department is fumbling

Reporter "why Not use Qatari / pakis to extract individuals from different cities, to stop using Kabul and as a choke point"

Answer - a non answer
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nortex97 said:

aggiehawg said:

Kirby is talking about ordering the military to get covid shots since FDA approval. He doesn't say a word about A-stan. Just opens it up for questions.
What have we had, what, all of 3 or 6 service members die from covid? But, whatever, that's the big news.

The military requires members to get all kinds of vaccinations, and more crap to deploy. That shouldn't be a big deal at all, you are functionally physically the property of the US government while in service.
I understand that but wouldn't a press release accomplish the same thing without using this presser during a crisis was my point.

I'm sure Kirby and Taylor are very tired of these daily dog and pony shows wherein they have to pretend they are complete idiots who know nothing.
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On the planning for the surrender of Kabul/Afghanistan to the Taliban;

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The mindset of the generals was revealed in the New York Times spin on the Fall of Kabul, "Miscue After Miscue, U.S. Exit Plan Unravels."

Marx-reading Milley and his team of Tall Ticket Punchers with their Boards of Medals on their chests knew surrendering the country would lead to a repeat of the Fall of Saigon. They thought the Afghan soldiers would be willing to die for our country in retreat, just like the Vietnamese did.

The story began, "The nation's top national security officials assembled at the Pentagon early on April 24 for a secret meeting to plan the final withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan. It was two weeks after President Biden had announced the exit over the objection of his generals, but now they were carrying out his orders.

"In a secure room in the building's extreme basement, two floors below ground level, Defense Secretary
Lloyd J. Austin III and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met with top White House and intelligence officials. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken joined by video conference. After four hours, two things were clear.

"First, Pentagon officials said they could pull out the remaining 3,500 American troops, almost all deployed at Bagram Air Base, by July 4 two months earlier than the Sept. 11 deadline Mr. Biden had set. The plan would mean closing the airfield that was the American military hub in Afghanistan, but Defense Department officials did not want a dwindling, vulnerable force and the risks of service members dying in a war declared lost.

"Second, State Department officials said they would keep the American Embassy open, with more than 1,400 remaining Americans protected by 650 Marines and soldiers. An intelligence assessment presented at the meeting estimated that Afghan forces could hold off the Taliban for one to two years.

There was brief talk of an emergency evacuation plan helicopters would ferry Americans to the civilian airport in Kabul, the capital but no one raised, let alone imagined, what the United States would do if the Taliban gained control of access to that airport, the only safe way in and out of the country once Bagram closed.

"The plan was a good one, the group concluded.
"Four months later, the plan is in shambles as Mr. Biden struggles to explain how a withdrawal most Americans supported went so badly wrong in its execution. On Friday, as scenes of continuing chaos and suffering at the airport were broadcast around the world, Mr. Biden went so far as to say that 'I cannot promise what the final outcome will be, or what it will be that it will be without risk of loss.'"
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The plan was a good one, the group concluded.

Wrong Way Corrigan thought he had a good plan, too.

So Milley and the rest thought after we left in September, our Afghanistan allies would be our fall guys, just like the South Vietnamese were a half-century ago.

Milley was the expert because 41 years ago at Princeton, he wrote a 185-page-long senior thesis titled "A Critical Analysis of Revolutionary Guerrilla Organization in Theory and Practice."



Milley has to be fired.
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Every press conference they are asked for a breakdown of the numbers they claim for how many are US Citizens and every press conference they show up without the breakdown. Kirby is a complete buffoon, they know they are going to be asked and they are purposely not divulging that breakdown.
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sicandtiredTXN said:

Every press conference they are asked for a breakdown of the numbers they claim for how many are US Citizens and every press conference they show up without the breakdown. Kirby is a complete buffoon, they know they are going to be asked and they are purposely not divulging that breakdown.
Rule of thumb going forward: Never let the State Department dictate military operations.

One would have thought we learned that after Vietnam.
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"I'm not prepared today to speak on specifics" - John Kirby

Effing idiot is NEVER prepared ANY DAY to speak to specifics on ANYTHING

Kirby is the Earl Scheib of Communications Secretaries.
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Are we the only country that gave Afghans citizenship and visas for helping out over the last 20 years? We appear to be way to generous in handing these out.
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GCRanger said:

Are we the only country that gave Afghans citizenship and visas for helping out over the last 20 years? We appear to be way to generous in handing these out.
Pottery Barn rules strikes again.
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aggiehawg said:


General M Hayden has raised the bar on being a total scum sucking POS.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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GCRanger said:

Are we the only country that gave Afghans citizenship and visas for helping out over the last 20 years? We appear to be way to generous in handing these out.
We emailed a pre-populated form for them to use, and forward to anyone they knew, for a Special Immigration Visa, with the same visa number on each, for anyone who gets their hands on a paper or electronic copy, yes.

I don't think any other country is remotely as inept about this (immigration/borders/access) as the US State department. But it's not an accident, it's deliberate. The Biden/Blinken team shut down the contingency and crisis response team for evacuations in June. Why? I dunno, other than the fact that Pompeo/Trump established it.
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aggiehawg said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

Every press conference they are asked for a breakdown of the numbers they claim for how many are US Citizens and every press conference they show up without the breakdown. Kirby is a complete buffoon, they know they are going to be asked and they are purposely not divulging that breakdown.
Rule of thumb going forward: Never let the State Department dictate military operations.

One would have thought we learned that after Vietnam.
To the left in the Dem party (but I repeat myself), Vietnam was a win.
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nortex97 said:

On the planning for the surrender of Kabul/Afghanistan to the Taliban;

Quote:

The mindset of the generals was revealed in the New York Times spin on the Fall of Kabul, "Miscue After Miscue, U.S. Exit Plan Unravels."

Marx-reading Milley and his team of Tall Ticket Punchers with their Boards of Medals on their chests knew surrendering the country would lead to a repeat of the Fall of Saigon. They thought the Afghan soldiers would be willing to die for our country in retreat, just like the Vietnamese did.

The story began, "The nation's top national security officials assembled at the Pentagon early on April 24 for a secret meeting to plan the final withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan. It was two weeks after President Biden had announced the exit over the objection of his generals, but now they were carrying out his orders.

"In a secure room in the building's extreme basement, two floors below ground level, Defense Secretary
Lloyd J. Austin III and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met with top White House and intelligence officials. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken joined by video conference. After four hours, two things were clear.

"First, Pentagon officials said they could pull out the remaining 3,500 American troops, almost all deployed at Bagram Air Base, by July 4 two months earlier than the Sept. 11 deadline Mr. Biden had set. The plan would mean closing the airfield that was the American military hub in Afghanistan, but Defense Department officials did not want a dwindling, vulnerable force and the risks of service members dying in a war declared lost.

"Second, State Department officials said they would keep the American Embassy open, with more than 1,400 remaining Americans protected by 650 Marines and soldiers. An intelligence assessment presented at the meeting estimated that Afghan forces could hold off the Taliban for one to two years.

There was brief talk of an emergency evacuation plan helicopters would ferry Americans to the civilian airport in Kabul, the capital but no one raised, let alone imagined, what the United States would do if the Taliban gained control of access to that airport, the only safe way in and out of the country once Bagram closed.

"The plan was a good one, the group concluded.
"Four months later, the plan is in shambles as Mr. Biden struggles to explain how a withdrawal most Americans supported went so badly wrong in its execution. On Friday, as scenes of continuing chaos and suffering at the airport were broadcast around the world, Mr. Biden went so far as to say that 'I cannot promise what the final outcome will be, or what it will be that it will be without risk of loss.'"
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The plan was a good one, the group concluded.

Wrong Way Corrigan thought he had a good plan, too.

So Milley and the rest thought after we left in September, our Afghanistan allies would be our fall guys, just like the South Vietnamese were a half-century ago.

Milley was the expert because 41 years ago at Princeton, he wrote a 185-page-long senior thesis titled "A Critical Analysis of Revolutionary Guerrilla Organization in Theory and Practice."



Milley has to be fired.
I would prefer a court martial
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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They impeached Trump after he left office.
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