Consolidated Fall of Kabul Update Thread

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Jayhawk said:

Has elected office become a mere formality for the oligarchs? A foreign leader feels that calling an unelected Clinton is sufficient to interact with the US government?
I guess we now know who is in charge?
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That's one big way to signal who isn't in charge and who they don't want to communicate with.
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OldArmyBrent said:

Isn't that illegal? Didn't they try to charge Flynn for doing that?
This is a (D)ifferent situation.
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This could be good news for any who want some sense of options to remain for Afghans. Massoud was the leader that Bin Laden thought was such a threat had killed right before launching 9/11.

Also, all the talk about the two coordinating is probably our Intelligence saying so --- and you know their record for accuracy of analysis -- would not be surprised if Russia actually ends up backing the Northern Alliance, with China behind the Taliban. They can't be very happy about big Chinese presence on the more European side of their border.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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titan said:


This could be good news for any who want some sense of options to remain for Afghans. Massoud was the leader that Bin Laden thought was such a threat had killed right before launching 9/11.

Also, all the talk about the two coordinating is probably our Intelligence saying so --- and you know their record for accuracy of analysis -- would not be surprised if Russia actually ends up backing the Northern Alliance, with China behind the Taliban. They can't be very happy about big Chinese presence on the more European side of their border.
We are a long way past the time the Northern Alliance trusted the U.S. and the CIA. Charlie Wilson's war has been over a long time. If Putin is offering Massoud (the son) support, he really wouldn't have much of a choice but to accept it.

The only comfort in that is the fact that Putin hates terrorists, apparently more than our current administration does.
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Unless you want to be Left, anyone is a fool to look to us until there is a Hill and WH change.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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And no number of Americans on board during those two days.
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And no number of Americans on board during those two days.
And radio silence from State and DOD.
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OldArmyBrent said:

Isn't that illegal? Didn't they try to charge Flynn for doing that?


It depends. He could have simply asked Hillary for her opinion and insight into what's going on and what will happen based on her experience, which isn't illegal AFAIK. That's essentially 1A. What she can't do is make deals or policy promises as if she is negotiating on the government's behalf.
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Different angle of a previous post
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Ag In Ok said:

And no number of Americans on board during those two days.
They'll likely have another presser early this afternoon. State with DoD have been doing daily briefings.

Al Jazeera reported over 5,000 total evacs via airport over last 24 hours.
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WOW! She's right of course about the fecklessness of NATO sans the U.S. And they saw Trump as a threat to the continuation of NATO but it could be Biden that causes the alliance to fracture.
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TChaney said:

"trained" female fighters



Well, they did say they were going to be more inclusive....

What a horrible situation.
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Considering the US just equipped a bunch of terrorists with advanced technology, I'd say it appears we love them.

But God forbid you say you won't wear a mask in America - you're a domestic terrorist if you refuse to wear one.
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Just an abuse of a classic Drake song...

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Jack Dorsey, and Joe Xiden approve of this.
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Jayhawk said:

Has elected office become a mere formality for the oligarchs? A foreign leader feels that calling an unelected Clinton is sufficient to interact with the US government?
It appears so. Beltway-NY axis isn't any better than Moscow, and probably less interested in its own people.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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People need to see what's happening there, we're all adults. People who are offended probably voted for the people who allowed this to happen and they need to see the consequences more than anyone.
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TxAgLaw03RW said:

People need to see what's happening there, we're all adults. People who are offended probably voted for the people who allowed this to happen and they need to see the consequences more than anyone.
I agree but I also want to keep posting without a ban.
I'm already on thin ice from things I have posted in the past.
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I get the sense they have no clue how they are going to pay for their domestic policies and their own national defense and it is causing them great stress. Of course they may not have gone that far down that thought path and are still in shock that the US is actually withdrawing from the middle east. Global political norms seem to be in heavy flux right now. Who knows what the next decade holds at this point.
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AgBQ-00 said:

I get the sense they have no clue how they are going to pay for their domestic policies and their own national defense and it is causing them great stress. Of course they may not have gone that far down that thought path and are still in shock that the US is actually withdrawing from the middle east. Global political norms seem to be in heavy flux right now. Who knows what the next decade holds at this point.


I have no problem with NATO dissolving when we fund 90% of it while sacrificing American lives for the security of European nations. F em.
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AgBQ-00 said:

I get the sense they have no clue how they are going to pay for their domestic policies and their own national defense and it is causing them great stress. Of course they may not have gone that far down that thought path and are still in shock that the US is actually withdrawing from the middle east. Global political norms seem to be in heavy flux right now. Who knows what the next decade holds at this point.
Its not as bad as they think. Russia is no longer communist. It might make sense to just cozy up to them more. What else is Germany really doing already by making their pipeline with them and being so dependent? Just go ahead and own it. Its not the USSR -- it probably wouldn't involve some loss of government.

If they want those insane domestic overheads, then just don't go on the assumption Russia is an enemy. What they may need to worry about, along with Moscow, is Chinese now moving into the near region next to the Balkans.

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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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PearlJammin said:

AgBQ-00 said:

I get the sense they have no clue how they are going to pay for their domestic policies and their own national defense and it is causing them great stress. Of course they may not have gone that far down that thought path and are still in shock that the US is actually withdrawing from the middle east. Global political norms seem to be in heavy flux right now. Who knows what the next decade holds at this point.


I have no problem with NATO dissolving when we fund 90% of it while sacrificing American lives for the security of European nations. F em.
THIS
They knowingly supported a ****** for US President. F 'em all..
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Ethnic regional map for reference.
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Posted on the gun control thread, but I'll repost here anyway.



Funny how Joe says we need F-15's and nukes to take on the government, and yet he just lost a country and got humiliated by guys in shower shoes with AK's.
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I don't disagree. My hope is we can pull everything we need home as far as manufacturing and trade. Or even if we western hemisphere it all or "continentilize" it all it would be better. My fear is if we truly become isolationist the rest of the world will literally destroy itself.
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