Tyranny is alive and well n Texas. Either the Governor will need to rid Texas of tyrants or the locals need to take care of the problem.

The Covidians are screaming about an Axios poll which claims 72% of Texans want to put masks on kids.

They think this is a winning issue, not only to achieve their goal of forced masks and vaccines, but at the ballot box next year to sweep the Democrats into power.

A skewed poll at that

Majority of Floridians support DeSantis’ approach to let parents decide masks for students | Just The News https://t.co/C1Kx0DierQ

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) August 19, 2021

Since it is Axios, we all know it is. They were one of the biggest pushers of the Collusion Delusion and still believe it.

But the Covidians are no different than the left. (Not all Covidians are liberals, although most are.) They still believe this is super-airbrone EbolaAIDS and if everyone does follow *THEIR* guidelines, then we're all going to die.

Rapier108 said:

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The Covidians are screaming about an Axios poll which claims 72% of Texans want to put masks on kids.

They think this is a winning issue, not only to achieve their goal of forced masks and vaccines, but at the ballot box next year to sweep the Democrats into power.

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It's a national poll and not close to representing Texas.

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Don't think you understand the role of the Texas Supreme Court.

You may think it's unconstitutional to do those things, but current TX law explicitly gives that authority to the governor.

You can lobby to change the law in TX (which I would support) but your criticism at the TX SC is misguided. The only courts out of line are these liberal activist judges clearly ruling against current law because they don't like it.

I laid out what I think should change in the TX Disaster Act earlier but that's what has to change.

I think these orders should be extremely temporary like 4 to 7 days and then they have to be affirmed by the TX Legislature and reviewed every 7 days or something like that.

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Please point to the portion of the Disaster law that "explicitly" gives him the power.

Yes, it gives him power over a disaster area....say, a tornado struck area...and ingress/egress of the area. It does NOT give him power over the doorways of HEB. That's foregoing that only a moron would think a special flu was a "disaster area" in the first place.

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https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.418.htm

See the definition of a Disaster.

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Sec. 418.004. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Disaster" means the occurrence or imminent threat of widespread or severe damage, injury, or loss of life or property resulting from any natural or man-made cause, including fire, flood, earthquake, wind, storm, wave action, oil spill or other water contamination, volcanic activity, epidemic, air contamination, blight, drought, infestation, explosion, riot, hostile military or paramilitary action, extreme heat, cybersecurity event, other public calamity requiring emergency action, or energy emergency.

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Sec. 418.012. EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Under this chapter, the governor may issue executive orders, proclamations, and regulations and amend or rescind them. Executive orders, proclamations, and regulations have the force and effect of law.

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AggieLostinDallas said:

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Rapier108 said:

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The Covidians are screaming about an Axios poll which claims 72% of Texans want to put masks on kids.

They think this is a winning issue, not only to achieve their goal of forced masks and vaccines, but at the ballot box next year to sweep the Democrats into power.

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It's a national poll and not close to representing Texas.

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Oh I know, but they claim it represents Texas.

Anything to drive their agenda.

Rapier108 said:

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The Covidians are screaming about an Axios poll which claims 72% of Texans want to put masks on kids.

They think this is a winning issue, not only to achieve their goal of forced masks and vaccines, but at the ballot box next year to sweep the Democrats into power.

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In 1985 or thereabouts 70%+ of Texans would have likely supported forced quarantine of anyone with AIDS. (In no small part due to Fauci, oddly enough, who publicly speculated that the disease could be transmitted by close, in-home contact.)

Tyranny of a majority is no virtue.

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I want Republican politicians to fight and stop Democrats. Please quote any of my posts that proves your point.

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Maybe, at some point, you might make a post or two criticizing Democrats...

Your schtick of ONLY attacking Republicans is wearing thin...

harge57 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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harge57 said:

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Don't think you understand the role of the Texas Supreme Court.

You may think it's unconstitutional to do those things, but current TX law explicitly gives that authority to the governor.

You can lobby to change the law in TX (which I would support) but your criticism at the TX SC is misguided. The only courts out of line are these liberal activist judges clearly ruling against current law because they don't like it.

I laid out what I think should change in the TX Disaster Act earlier but that's what has to change.

I think these orders should be extremely temporary like 4 to 7 days and then they have to be affirmed by the TX Legislature and reviewed every 7 days or something like that.

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Please point to the portion of the Disaster law that "explicitly" gives him the power.

Yes, it gives him power over a disaster area....say, a tornado struck area...and ingress/egress of the area. It does NOT give him power over the doorways of HEB. That's foregoing that only a moron would think a special flu was a "disaster area" in the first place.

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https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.418.htm

See the definition of a Disaster.

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Sec. 418.004. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:

(1) "Disaster" means the occurrence or imminent threat of widespread or severe damage, injury, or loss of life or property resulting from any natural or man-made cause, including fire, flood, earthquake, wind, storm, wave action, oil spill or other water contamination, volcanic activity, epidemic, air contamination, blight, drought, infestation, explosion, riot, hostile military or paramilitary action, extreme heat, cybersecurity event, other public calamity requiring emergency action, or energy emergency.

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Sec. 418.012. EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Under this chapter, the governor may issue executive orders, proclamations, and regulations and amend or rescind them. Executive orders, proclamations, and regulations have the force and effect of law.

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Sec. 418.018. MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE. (a) The governor may recommend the evacuation of all or part of the population from a stricken or threatened area in the state if the governor considers the action necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation, response, or recovery.

(b) The governor may prescribe routes, modes of transportation, and destinations in connection with an evacuation.

(c) The governor may control ingress and egress to and from a disaster area and the movement of persons and the occupancy of premises in the area.

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The latter, emboldened portion is what they're using to control storefronts. That isn't what that portion means, in the slightest. As usual, lawyers and pols have basstardized the English language.

This wasn't a disaster in the first place.

What's the link to report to Paxton entities government mandating mask and not following Abbot's order.

It isn't just that it's a skewed, unreliable poll.

What is the scariest is this. Lets even assume the poll is real. We A) We livein a constitutional republic, not a democracy where you just poll people, and that determines what gets mandated on others, and B) if msm and politicians control the narrative, and then poll people out of fear, you can get some dangerous results for those of us that don't live our lives in the same fear others might. Fear and controlling the narrative is a powerful thing

Gotta stop the breaks there legislatively - of the AMA declares (which i believe they have) gun violence or heart disease to be an epidemic, that shouldn't give any government the authority to take your gun or close a restaurant.

I think there is a very simple solution that our legislature could have implemented. It is probably necessary to delegate broad power and discretion to the executive to determine whether a disaster exists and take action during the immediate aftermath. But, there's no reason a disaster declaration or a series of disaster declarations covering an area of the entire state and the associated responses that effectively change, add or suspend law should continue beyond the period of time necessary for the legislature to convene. So, probably longer than 7 days since we don't have a full time legislature but 60 days would seem more than sufficient.

If the legislature doesn't vote to confirm the declaration and approve of the executive orders, they all become null and void.

Instead, our legislature seems more than happy to punt on this and allow for major impacts on our daily lives to be determined by one person.

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I think there is a very simple solution that our legislature could have implemented. It is probably necessary to delegate broad power and discretion to the executive to determine whether a disaster exists and take action during the immediate aftermath. But, there's no reason a disaster declaration or a series of disaster declarations covering an area of the entire state and the associated responses that effectively change, add or suspend law should continue beyond the period of time necessary for the legislature to convene. So, probably longer than 7 days since we don't have a full time legislature but 60 days would seem more than sufficient.

If the legislature doesn't vote to confirm the declaration and approve of the executive orders, they all become null and void.

Instead, our legislature seems more than happy to punt on this and allow for major impacts on our daily lives to be determined by one person.

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I'd support that, but do not see where they usurp the exhibited power from in the first place. Your changes seem solid.

The TX law specifically restricts taking any guns away.

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UK during WWII.

They didn't wear the gas masks all day long. They had them in case the Nazis started dropping bombs filled with poison gas.

Looks like a drill of some kind since the adults in the background do not have gas masks on.

Rapier108 said:

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ABATTBQ87 said:

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UK during WWII.

They didn't wear the gas masks all day long. They had them in case the Nazis started dropping bombs filled with poison gas.

Looks like a drill of some kind since the adults in the background do not have gas masks on.

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yep; my mom was born in England in 1935 and had to live through the Blitz and these gas mask drills as they feared the Germans would drop gas on London.

But being good Englishmen they didn't live in fear and thumbed their nose at the Germans

Why has there been no movement on this in several days? What is the Supreme Court doing?? Very frustrating

Maybe they are planning to leave the state so they don't have to vote?

Who can tell with judges and lawyers. Definitely glad I am not in the legal business.

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Oak Tree said:

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I want Republican politicians to fight and stop Democrats. Please quote any of my posts that proves your point.

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Maybe, at some point, you might make a post or two criticizing Democrats...

Your schtick of ONLY attacking Republicans is wearing thin...

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It's not a schtick. I truly believe the only way to stop Democrats is to expect and demand Republicans to fight.

The majority of my post I'm criticizing Republicans for failing to bring justice to Democrats who blatantly break the law. How is that not a criticism of Democrats too? I'm calling them criminals.

I could just criticize Democrats, like yourself, but that doesnt accomplish anything imo. Why don't conservatives have higher standards and expectations for the politicians we elected? Why do conservatives defend Republicans for allowing Democrats to destroy everything we love about our country?

We need to start thinking independently instead of regurgitating the conservative narrative that is created by the progressive media. The goal of the MSM propaganda is to lower conservatives expectations and focus their anger towards Democrats. That guarantees Democrats will never be stopped.

Democrats have complete control over every aspect of our country. They have leadership that plan and execute strategies for gaining more power, money, and control. When was the last time Republicans did that?

Oak Tree said:

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When was the last time Republicans did that?

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All the time.

Can you give me an example?

Oak Tree said:

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Can you give me an example?

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I wouldn't hold your breath, it's typical SOP from the fact-less idiots on the left. They figure if they throw **** against the wall enough, it'll stick.

I hear there is an update. Anyone have any insight?

Oak Tree said:

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Can you give me an example?

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2020 election

Sided with the ISDs temporarily. So for now ISDs mandates can remain
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/19/texas-schools-mask-mandates-supreme-court-greg-abbott/

Mule_lx said:

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I hear there is an update. Anyone have any insight?

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https://abc13.com/texas-supreme-court-mask-mandate-blocked-in-travis-county-greg-abbott-ban-on-face/10962809/

TEA has also updated guidance that mask mandate bans will not be enforced until the court cases are resolved

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TEA has also updated guidance that mask mandate bans will not be enforced until the court cases are resolved

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Does that mean schools can mandate masks until then?

I don't think it's going to matter soon. There's a federal case brought by 14 families claiming that no mask mandates are ADA violations since they can't send their immunocompromised kids to school and they are being denied an education.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/14-children-with-disabilities-file-first-federal-lawsuit-against-gov-abbott-over-mask-ban/amp/

Good - put the data and scientists on the stand and have it out. Just do it quickly

Unfortunately, it is a win for Democrats. Rino Abbott, who already imposed mask mandates on Texans, can act like he is fighting for conservatives while Democrats get what they want.