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WestTexAg12 said:

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So, if you're vaccinated, how am I going to spread it to you?

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The efficacy of vaccines varies from person to person. 'Breakthrough' infections do occur.

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And if I do get vaccinated, how is that going to keep me from getting it?

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The efficacy of the vaccines are still high.

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So how is he a threat to them? Is he going to kill vaccinated people? It's a bad argument to say how am I going to give you the virus. The argument should be, why are you worried about me giving you essentially a cold if you are vaccinated?

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Our medical community and responsible people are concerned about viral spread and mutation in addition to direct risk of injury or death.

Your argument is illogical because it is based on a false premise.

No, it isn't. Mutation into what? What coronavirus has mutated into a more virulent form? Even when we didn't have the help of a vaccine for all of them when they were novel hundreds if not thousands of years ago?

This is turning into a cold for immune people. Just face it. Further mutations are going to get less and less deadly. Vaccines and natural immunity will continue to outpace it, just like we have every single coronavirus and/or flu / respiratory illness in human history.

This is about compliance, and I am firm believer in the vaccines and took it months ago.

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It's weird that the least effective vaccine is from China.

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They can't feed their people so they have an incentive for their elderly to die off. Which was the whole point of this virus in the first place.

Just tell your boss that he will need someone to run the office if everyone else gets a brain tumor next year from the vaccine. So he should thank you for being willing to step up and and do what is best for the company and the office.

There have been thousands of mutations upon damn near a billion worldwide cases. NONE have broken through to kill vaccinated and/or naturally immune people at anywhere near as high a rate as the first time around.

None in human history have, either.

But sure, it's going to happen any minute now.

And there are plenty in the medical community that disagree, too. They are typically shut up quickly and ignored.

Carolin_Gallego said:

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beerad12man said:

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Carolin_Gallego said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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So, if you're vaccinated, how am I going to spread it to you?

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The efficacy of vaccines varies from person to person. 'Breakthrough' infections do occur.

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And if I do get vaccinated, how is that going to keep me from getting it?

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The efficacy of the vaccines are still high.

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So how is he a threat to them? Is he going to kill vaccinated people? It's a bad argument to say how am I going to give you the virus. The argument should be, why are you worried about me giving you essentially a cold if you are vaccinated?

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Our medical community and responsible people are concerned about viral spread and mutation in addition to direct risk of injury or death.

Your argument is illogical because it is based on a false premise.

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Science deniers.

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It's weird that the least effective vaccine is from China.

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Ever shop at Harbor Freight?

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No, it isn't. Mutation into what? What coronavirus has mutated into a more virulent form? Even when we didn't have the help of a vaccine for all of them when they were novel hundreds if not thousands of years ago?

This is turning into a cold for immune people. Just face it. Further mutations are going to get less and less deadly. Vaccines and natural immunity will continue to outpace it, just like we have every single coronavirus and/or flu / respiratory illness in human history.

This is about compliance, and I am firm believer in the vaccines and took it months ago.

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Those are illogical assumptions that contradict the available evidence indicating that the Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus.

Carolin_Gallego said:

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beerad12man said:

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No, it isn't. Mutation into what? What coronavirus has mutated into a more virulent form? Even when we didn't have the help of a vaccine for all of them when they were novel hundreds if not thousands of years ago?

This is turning into a cold for immune people. Just face it. Further mutations are going to get less and less deadly. Vaccines and natural immunity will continue to outpace it, just like we have every single coronavirus and/or flu / respiratory illness in human history.

This is about compliance, and I am firm believer in the vaccines and took it months ago.

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Those are illogical assumptions that contradict the available evidence indicating that the Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus.

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There actually isn't a lot of published that delta is more deadly. We have anecdotal claims. But nothing definitive. In addition virtually all deaths from delta are to the unvaccinated.

Cut his brake lines.

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Carolin_Gallego said:

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beerad12man said:

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No, it isn't. Mutation into what? What coronavirus has mutated into a more virulent form? Even when we didn't have the help of a vaccine for all of them when they were novel hundreds if not thousands of years ago?

This is turning into a cold for immune people. Just face it. Further mutations are going to get less and less deadly. Vaccines and natural immunity will continue to outpace it, just like we have every single coronavirus and/or flu / respiratory illness in human history.

This is about compliance, and I am firm believer in the vaccines and took it months ago.

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Those are illogical assumptions that contradict the available evidence indicating that the Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus.

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There actually isn't a lot of published that delta is more deadly. We have anecdotal claims. But nothing definitive. In addition virtually all deaths from delta are to the unvaccinated.

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Yes, there isn't a lot published on Delta. One early study assessing the risk of hospital admission in Scotland reported that hospitalization is twice as likely in unvaccinated individuals with Delta than in unvaccinated individuals with Alpha.

Carolin_Gallego said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Carolin_Gallego said:

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beerad12man said:

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No, it isn't. Mutation into what? What coronavirus has mutated into a more virulent form? Even when we didn't have the help of a vaccine for all of them when they were novel hundreds if not thousands of years ago?

This is turning into a cold for immune people. Just face it. Further mutations are going to get less and less deadly. Vaccines and natural immunity will continue to outpace it, just like we have every single coronavirus and/or flu / respiratory illness in human history.

This is about compliance, and I am firm believer in the vaccines and took it months ago.

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Those are illogical assumptions that contradict the available evidence indicating that the Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus.

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There actually isn't a lot of published that delta is more deadly. We have anecdotal claims. But nothing definitive. In addition virtually all deaths from delta are to the unvaccinated.

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Yes, there isn't a lot published on Delta. One early study assessing the risk of hospital admission in Scotland reported that hospitalization is twice as likely in unvaccinated individuals with Delta than in unvaccinated individuals with Alpha.

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So not a lot of published data. We need to be focused on science to make data driven decisions, not fear and the anecdotal.

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Salute The Marines said:

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Carolin_Gallego said:

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beerad12man said:

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No, it isn't. Mutation into what? What coronavirus has mutated into a more virulent form? Even when we didn't have the help of a vaccine for all of them when they were novel hundreds if not thousands of years ago?

This is turning into a cold for immune people. Just face it. Further mutations are going to get less and less deadly. Vaccines and natural immunity will continue to outpace it, just like we have every single coronavirus and/or flu / respiratory illness in human history.

This is about compliance, and I am firm believer in the vaccines and took it months ago.

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Those are illogical assumptions that contradict the available evidence indicating that the Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus.

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There actually isn't a lot of published that delta is more deadly. We have anecdotal claims. But nothing definitive. In addition virtually all deaths from delta are to the unvaccinated.

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Yes, there isn't a lot published on Delta. One early study assessing the risk of hospital admission in Scotland reported that hospitalization is twice as likely in unvaccinated individuals with Delta than in unvaccinated individuals with Alpha.

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Do the Branch Covidians know you escaped from their board?

Ask him if he knows the average settlement for a HIPAA lawsuit goes for.

Carolin_Gallego said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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So, if you're vaccinated, how am I going to spread it to you?

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The efficacy of vaccines varies from person to person. 'Breakthrough' infections do occur.

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And if I do get vaccinated, how is that going to keep me from getting it?

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The efficacy of the vaccines are still high.

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Not against Delta.......your using old data, as usual.

Carolin_Gallego said:

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beerad12man said:

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Carolin_Gallego said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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So, if you're vaccinated, how am I going to spread it to you?

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The efficacy of vaccines varies from person to person. 'Breakthrough' infections do occur.

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And if I do get vaccinated, how is that going to keep me from getting it?

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The efficacy of the vaccines are still high.

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So how is he a threat to them? Is he going to kill vaccinated people? It's a bad argument to say how am I going to give you the virus. The argument should be, why are you worried about me giving you essentially a cold if you are vaccinated?

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Our medical community and responsible people are concerned about viral spread and mutation in addition to direct risk of injury or death.

Your argument is illogical because it is based on a false premise.

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Then the vax does not work....or the vax creates more variants.


https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/

Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants'

Yep. I wish everybody would just man the **** up, catch this thing and develop natural immunity so we can move the **** on.

The other question is ...

If you do catch COVID (God forbid) and are hospitalized would your insurance cover all of the ICU costs?
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Would you (as an unvaccinated individual) sign a waiver, releasing your insurance company from all COVID related costs?

My employer sent me a message that you would be required to find somewhere else to work as of 1 Oct.

Works for me.

#freedom

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Yep. I wish everybody would just man the **** up, catch this thing and develop natural immunity so we can move the **** on.

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I've done everything short of inject myself with it. Other than work, I've unknowingly been exposed about 5 times to people that ended up positive.

But, I can't seem to catch this weak *****

Oh well, on with being awesome at life.

This is all about conditioning the population for future compliance
By the way, how effective is natural antibodies developed within those of us who have had Covid ?
The fact that millions of us who have had Covid are now immune by natural causes and are not even mentioned in the discussion tells me it's all about compliance

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My employer sent me a message that you would be required to find somewhere else to work as of 1 Oct.

Works for me.

#freedom

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I think I might just do the opposite at my business.

You must resign if you have been vaccinated for COVId.

#freedom

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YokelRidesAgain said:

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My employer sent me a message that you would be required to find somewhere else to work as of 1 Oct.

Works for me.

#freedom

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I think I might just do the opposite at my business.

You must resign if you have been vaccinated for COVId.

#freedom

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#naturalselection

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The_Fox said:

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YokelRidesAgain said:

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My employer sent me a message that you would be required to find somewhere else to work as of 1 Oct.

Works for me.

#freedom

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I think I might just do the opposite at my business.

You must resign if you have been vaccinated for COVId.

#freedom

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#naturalselection

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We've all had the actual virus because we are not poosays.

I think we'll be fine.

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Tell him you identify as vaccinated

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OP should go one step further and put vaxxed/vaccinated on his signature line.

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We've all had the actual virus because we are not poosays.

I think we'll be fine.

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"I drove drunk and got away with it!"

Yeah, and?

#naturalselection

Carolin_Gallego said:

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No, it isn't. Mutation into what? What coronavirus has mutated into a more virulent form? Even when we didn't have the help of a vaccine for all of them when they were novel hundreds if not thousands of years ago?

This is turning into a cold for immune people. Just face it. Further mutations are going to get less and less deadly. Vaccines and natural immunity will continue to outpace it, just like we have every single coronavirus and/or flu / respiratory illness in human history.

This is about compliance, and I am firm believer in the vaccines and took it months ago.

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Those are illogical assumptions that contradict the available evidence indicating that the Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus.

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Everything suggests is delta is more transmissible. Nothing suggest more deadly/severe.

None of this is occurring in vaccinated or previously infected individuals at any kind of worrisome level.

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We've all had the actual virus because we are not poosays.

I think we'll be fine.

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"I drove drunk and got away with it!"

Yeah, and?

#naturalselection

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Yeah, totally the same thing. Shaming people for catching an airborne virus? Implying they did something wrong such as drinking and driving.

What a truly terrible f***** analogy.

How does your boss know you are not vaccinated?

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My boss has hounded me this week about getting vaccinated. I'm 1 of 2 unvaccinated guys in an office of about 20 vaccinated. The conversation usually goes like this:

Boss: You really need to get vaccinated. Everyone else in here is.
Me: Well, that's good but I'm not getting it.
Boss: We need to keep this office safe and you not getting vaccinated puts that at risk.
Me: How?
Boss: You're going to catch it somehow and spread it to us.
Me: Aren't you all vaccinated?
Boss: Everyone but you.
Me: So, if you're vaccinated, how am I going to spread it to you? And if I do get vaccinated, how is that going to keep me from getting it?
Boss: There's no point. You're not changing your mind.

Boggles my mind

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Vaccinated doesn't mean you can't get it, it's just means you're much less likely.

So if someone who had it had a 5% chance of giving it someone else before, they'd probably give it to 5 out of every 100 people they met. Those 5 would do the same. Now if those 100 people are vaccinated and the vaccine is 80% effective, they're likely to now only give it to 1 person. The growth rates of infections from a probability standpoint are much more manageable and infections peter out faster.

Now if only 50% of those 100 are vaccinated, then that person is likely passing it onto 3. Better than 5, but definitely not ideal.

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We've had decades to study the flu and how it works and transmits. In the best years, the flu vaccine is only 50% effective for those who take it and most years 40-45%. In some years, it's only 35% effective. So with all that history and opportunity to get the flu vaccine right, why should anyone believe they magically got a novel vaccine for a novel virus's 80% effective much less the 95% they originally claimed? That's the red herring.

Did you let him know that the vaccine doesn't prevent them from getting COVID?

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My boss has hounded me this week about getting vaccinated. I'm 1 of 2 unvaccinated guys in an office of about 20 vaccinated. The conversation usually goes like this:

Boss: You really need to get vaccinated. Everyone else in here is.
Me: Well, that's good but I'm not getting it.
Boss: We need to keep this office safe and you not getting vaccinated puts that at risk.
Me: How?
Boss: You're going to catch it somehow and spread it to us.
Me: Aren't you all vaccinated?
Boss: Everyone but you.
Me: So, if you're vaccinated, how am I going to spread it to you? And if I do get vaccinated, how is that going to keep me from getting it?
Boss: There's no point. You're not changing your mind.

Boggles my mind

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sounds like you should be his boss on account that he's a ****ing moron

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We've had decades to study the flu and how it works and transmits. In the best years, the flu vaccine is only 50% effective for those who take it and most years 40-45%. In some years, it's only 35% effective. So with all that history and opportunity to get the flu vaccine right, why should anyone believe they magically got a novel vaccine for a novel virus's 80% effective much less the 95% they originally claimed? That's the red herring.

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Apples to oranges much?

A) Viral biology is quite different from family to family. We have been waiting 40 years for an HIV vaccine and, yeah, still waiting.

B) Vaccine immunologists (and I know several, cf. plus sign above) are aware that apart from biological considerations (i.e., the somewhat unpredictable nature of flu variants from year to year), multiple doses of flu vaccine and more potent adjuvants would yield a better immune response to vaccination. This has to be balanced against the downsides of yokels bleating that the flu vaccine "gave them the flu" because they felt sick afterwards and general unwillingness to comply with a complex regimen for a disease that rarely causes death.

C) You are comparing dissimilar metrics for the COVID-19 vaccine to flu vaccination, e.g., total immunity (the "40-45%" effectiveness of flu vaccine) versus immunity from severe, life-threatening disease (appears to be about 97% for COVID vaccination, with many of the breakthrough severe cases occurring in people with risk factors for poor vaccine response.

Both matter to some extent, particularly from an economic perspective, but they are simply not comparable.

D) The idea that all vaccines are only somewhat effective is not even good nonsense. How many smallpox cases have there been in your community this year?

beerad12man said:

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There have been thousands of mutations upon damn near a billion worldwide cases. NONE have broken through to kill vaccinated and/or naturally immune people at anywhere near as high a rate as the first time around.

None in human history have, either.

But sure, it's going to happen any minute now.

And there are plenty in the medical community that disagree, too. They are typically shut up quickly and ignored.

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Correct. Microbiology doesn't last by killing its host.

Carolin_Gallego said:

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WestTexAg12 said:

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So, if you're vaccinated, how am I going to spread it to you?

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The efficacy of vaccines varies from person to person. 'Breakthrough' infections do occur.

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And if I do get vaccinated, how is that going to keep me from getting it?

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The efficacy of the vaccines are still high.

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has to be an old graphic. these numbers are far lower now with the most up to date data. I say this as a vaxxed person myself