If so, why hasn't it been discussed on this board? Was it Schumer's security guard who shot AB?
I was told yesterday that it was announced who killed Ashley Babbit?
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It was, Michael Byrd is the guy's name.
It's actually been 'out' since April.
He's getting special silent coverage treatment because a black cop shooting/killing an unarmed white female is perhaps not helpful to the narrative. I'm sure he feels just as threatened as Chauvin does by the justice system.
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Lt. Michael L. Byrd has been identified as the U.S. Capitol Police officer who shot and killed Ashli Babbitt inside the Capitol building on Jan. 6, a report said.
In a July 7 report for RealClearInvestigations, Paul Sperry noted that Capitol Police Communications Director Eva Malecki would not confirm Byrd is the shooter, but "in this case she isn't denying it."
It's actually been 'out' since April.
He's getting special silent coverage treatment because a black cop shooting/killing an unarmed white female is perhaps not helpful to the narrative. I'm sure he feels just as threatened as Chauvin does by the justice system.
In contrast to the one who was assaulted by Michael Brown.
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
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thirdcoast said:
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
1) well I guess taking over city blocks, and burning courthouses as well as police stations is allowed?
2) I think everyone knows that if it had been a BLM protest at the capital trigger discipline in the extreme would have been involved.
......so you're right, now we know what is off limits. blm, antifa, and any useful idiot that supports the left.
You are right. But we shouldn't condem the actions of the black cop just because there is a double standard in media and on the left.
If we find there is evidence Byrd wouldn't have shot her if she was black, then we can change our opinion. Just like if they ever show evidence that Chauvin would have acted differently if Floyd was white. That's another principled stance that libtards can't understand.
If we find there is evidence Byrd wouldn't have shot her if she was black, then we can change our opinion. Just like if they ever show evidence that Chauvin would have acted differently if Floyd was white. That's another principled stance that libtards can't understand.
thirdcoast said:
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
What law or standard are you using to justify the use of deadly force? Weren't there officers outside by the window she was climbing in? That would eliminate fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury as well as trespassing.
Is this the new Benghazi?
She was unarmed and killed because she was trespassing. I'd say there was no justifiable use of deadly force by the officer. But he's the right color and party; she was the wrong color and party. Case closed.
While this "principled stance" plays out, Byrd is free and not even under indictment and Chauvin is in prison.thirdcoast said:
You are right. But we shouldn't condem the actions of the black cop just because there is a double standard in media and on the left.
If we find there is evidence Byrd wouldn't have shot her if she was black, then we can change our opinion. Just like if they ever show evidence that Chauvin would have acted differently if Floyd was white. That's another principled stance that libtards can't understand.
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!
Considering how things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if his name was released with the intent of using it as bait by the feds to have more things and people to look for every time his name is typed on the interwebs, especially social media.
WHOOP!'91 said:While this "principled stance" plays out, Byrd is free and not even under indictment and Chauvin is in prison.thirdcoast said:
You are right. But we shouldn't condem the actions of the black cop just because there is a double standard in media and on the left.
If we find there is evidence Byrd wouldn't have shot her if she was black, then we can change our opinion. Just like if they ever show evidence that Chauvin would have acted differently if Floyd was white. That's another principled stance that libtards can't understand.
Chauvin committed a crime with no evidence that race had anything to do with it. Byrd committed a non-crime with no evidence race had anything to do with it.
That's a horrible argument. The better argument is why didn't the officers thar killed Tony Timpa and Daniel Shaver ever go to jail? But that can be had on another thread.
But security opened the gates and the damn doors.thirdcoast said:
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
gig em 02 said:thirdcoast said:
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
What law or standard are you using to justify the use of deadly force? Weren't there officers outside by the window she was climbing in? That would eliminate fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury as well as trespassing.
The same standard I would use if an Islamic terrorist was jumping through the window of a locked door to floor of Congress wearing a MAGA shirt.
That said, I honestly don't know DC statutes or legal leeway at Capitol building. But if it was an unarmed BLM member shot by a white cop, I would have same opinion. That is what separates rational folks from emotional brainwashed libs.
Let's leave aside the media race spin. At trial nothing was presented that indicated Chauvin was motivated by race, to my recollection. Maybe I'm wrong on that, whatever.thirdcoast said:WHOOP!'91 said:While this "principled stance" plays out, Byrd is free and not even under indictment and Chauvin is in prison.thirdcoast said:
You are right. But we shouldn't condem the actions of the black cop just because there is a double standard in media and on the left.
If we find there is evidence Byrd wouldn't have shot her if she was black, then we can change our opinion. Just like if they ever show evidence that Chauvin would have acted differently if Floyd was white. That's another principled stance that libtards can't understand.
Chauvin committed a crime with no evidence that race had anything to do with it. Byrd committed a non-crime with no evidence race had anything to do with it.
That's a horrible argument. The better argument is why didn't the officers thar killed Tony Timpa and Daniel Shaver ever go to jail? But that can be had on another thread.
However, is there any argument that Byrd had a reason to think Ashli was putting his life at risk/felt imminent risk of bodily harm when he fatally shot her? I don't think so. She was unarmed, and surrounded by law enforcement when he quite deliberately killed her.
Perhaps this is more akin (in popular recent cases) to the Dallas cop who accidentally opened the door to Bonham John's apartment. She was wrong, felt remorse obviously, but was prosecuted to the maximum extent for her mistake. His family accepted her grief and it was a healing process to witness for the community, though she is now in prison.
Secolobo said:But security opened the gates and the damn doors.thirdcoast said:
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
She was climbing through a broken window of a barricaded door in the US Capital building.
How anyone is defending her is beyond me.
Weren't there officers outside by the window she was climbing in? That would eliminate fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury as well as trespassing.
THIS!!!! There were at least 5-6 cops within feet of her!!! If she posed a real danger, then they would have done something. She shouldn't have done what she did along with the others, but none of them went in with guns blazing like the liberals want you to think. There wasn't grave danger.
THIS!!!! There were at least 5-6 cops within feet of her!!! If she posed a real danger, then they would have done something. She shouldn't have done what she did along with the others, but none of them went in with guns blazing like the liberals want you to think. There wasn't grave danger.
YellowPot_97 said:Secolobo said:But security opened the gates and the damn doors.thirdcoast said:
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
She was climbing through a broken window of a barricaded door in the US Capital building.
How anyone is defending her is beyond me.
So use of deadly force was justified?
Secolobo said:But security opened the gates and the damn doors.thirdcoast said:
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
Another great point. In that specific regard, the "insurrection" was not too different than a code pink or anti abortion demonstration in the hallways of Congress. It's the forced entry thru locked doors that is different, plus size and some other minor events. Kind of like a few thugs outside in your street, versus a bunch breaking into your house. That may not be the best comparison, but the point is that going after this cop does more harm than good in beating the BS liberal narratives.
Chauvin "committed a crime" because a jury found he did. They could just as easily have found that Chauvin had no part in Floyd's death, you know like the medical examiner said, and your argument would be null and void.thirdcoast said:WHOOP!'91 said:While this "principled stance" plays out, Byrd is free and not even under indictment and Chauvin is in prison.thirdcoast said:
You are right. But we shouldn't condem the actions of the black cop just because there is a double standard in media and on the left.
If we find there is evidence Byrd wouldn't have shot her if she was black, then we can change our opinion. Just like if they ever show evidence that Chauvin would have acted differently if Floyd was white. That's another principled stance that libtards can't understand.
Chauvin committed a crime with no evidence that race had anything to do with it. Byrd committed a non-crime with no evidence race had anything to do with it.
That's a horrible argument. The better argument is why didn't the officers thar killed Tony Timpa and Daniel Shaver ever go to jail? But that can be had on another thread.
Byrd shot an unarmed woman for trespassing.
I reject your assertion that my example is horrible.
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How do you explain tactical police officers in full riot gear on HER side of the door just standing there watching. The police only go into action once Babbitt was shot? Why didn't they use their guns and tactical gear to stop them prior to trying to go thru the door?YellowPot_97 said:She was climbing through a broken window of a barricaded door in the US Capital building.Secolobo said:But security opened the gates and the damn doors.thirdcoast said:
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How anyone is defending her is beyond me.
The problem I have with this hole incident is it appears to me that the capital police and security were encouraging people to enter just so this sort of thing could and would happen.
thirdcoast said:WHOOP!'91 said:While this "principled stance" plays out, Byrd is free and not even under indictment and Chauvin is in prison.thirdcoast said:
You are right. But we shouldn't condem the actions of the black cop just because there is a double standard in media and on the left.
If we find there is evidence Byrd wouldn't have shot her if she was black, then we can change our opinion. Just like if they ever show evidence that Chauvin would have acted differently if Floyd was white. That's another principled stance that libtards can't understand.
Chauvin committed a crime with no evidence that race had anything to do with it. Byrd committed a non-crime with no evidence race had anything to do with it.
That's a horrible argument. The better argument is why didn't the officers thar killed Tony Timpa and Daniel Shaver ever go to jail? But that can be had on another thread.
While I agree that race played no part in either, Byrd did not commit a crime because the powers that be have decided that he did not commit a crime; the powers that be decided Chauvin did. Both are political decisions.
Based on what I see, there is more justification to charge Byrd with a crime than Chauvin. There was no justification whatsoever to use deadly force.
BoydCrowder13 said:
Is this the new Benghazi?
Please explain what you're trying to say here
Nobody is "defending her", people are wondering if what she did warrants being killed.YellowPot_97 said:Secolobo said:But security opened the gates and the damn doors.thirdcoast said:
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
She was climbing through a broken window of a barricaded door in the US Capital building.
How anyone is defending her is beyond me.
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!
SAY HIS NAME!!!
Oh, look. Totally NOT a Concerned Moderate using a Concerned Moderate talking point.BoydCrowder13 said:
Is this the new Benghazi?
Defending her? Who made the murdering officer her judge and executioner?YellowPot_97 said:Secolobo said:But security opened the gates and the damn doors.thirdcoast said:
It's also not helpful for the narrative for white conservatives to not be outraged by a black cop killing a white girl. It forces both sides to discuss the circumstances of the encounter and value those facts over skin color of cop or victim. That process is incredibly destructive as it would have likely led to George Floyd type cases never making it past the local news. If that happens, dems lose one of their most effective voter turnout schemes.
It sucks that she thought it wasn't dangerous to breach the floor of Congress. But now everyone from BLM to Handsmaid tale to Taliban know what is off limits. They should suffer same fate, and if not, then we should all be outraged.
She was climbing through a broken window of a barricaded door in the US Capital building.
How anyone is defending her is beyond me.
Skimming through, what's the basis for naming him as the guy?
Ask because if he is one of that group there, those scenes played out around 2:40-2:47. Ashli Babbit is shot at 2:44.5 well on the other side and beyond two partitions. And if the photo is the actual one, that's the House Entrance and on the opposite side from where the commotion is.
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
So the same capitol police that were letting the protesters walk in the door were also joined by the private security of the Democrat head of the Senate?
Ignore the shooting at this time. What does that say about Schumer's involvement? This whole thing has been overblown from the minute it happened.
Occam's Razor anyone?
Ignore the shooting at this time. What does that say about Schumer's involvement? This whole thing has been overblown from the minute it happened.
Occam's Razor anyone?
That's not new but remains harrowing video. That's a clip from Sullivan's video. And what you are looking at being pounded is the east partition glass-pane door to the Speaker's Lobby; at the SE corner of the House. A west-east hall at the south wall of the House building. The picture of men with guns drawn are aiming at the entrance of the House which is being pounded by the main mob at the center of the north wall of the house chamber which began about 2:39 -- fully opposite and across from where this video is.
How did that guy detach from that group, and get outside into a position to shoot her from the left in that time frame?
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Schumer's involvement is far less likely than that it points to Pelosi. This is the House, not the Senate, which was evacuated in a different direction and very far north relatively speaking. The Romney video showed a bit how that went.oldschoolcat said:
So the same capitol police that were letting the protesters walk in the door were also joined by the private security of the Democrat head of the Senate?
Ignore the shooting at this time. What does that say about Schumer's involvement? This whole thing has been overblown from the minute it happened.
Occam's Razor anyone?
FrioAg 00:
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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Based on what I see, there is more justification to charge Byrd with a crime than Chauvin. There was no justification whatsoever to use deadly force.
Chauvin was certainly treated unfairly, and in my opinion overcharged. However, he left his knee on a lifeless body AFTER a fellow officer confirmed no pulse. The encounter played out for many minutes in a relatively controlled environment, whereas there was chaos and split second decisions at Capitol. I think it's an extremely weak argument and counterproductive to bring up Chauvin here, unless it's to expose media hypocrisy and bias.
Compare Byrd to Officer Brailsford of Mesa PD if you think charges should be brought against him. That's a stronger argument and more relatable circumstances.
More a statement of Democrat leadership being involved. There was zero chance that capitol police let them walk in the door without prior discussions. Schumer's guy being right in the thick of it makes me go all Alex Jones....titan said:Schumer's involvement is far less likely than that it points to Pelosi. This is the House, not the Senate, which was evacuated in a different direction and very far north relatively speaking. The Romney video showed a bit how that went.oldschoolcat said:
So the same capitol police that were letting the protesters walk in the door were also joined by the private security of the Democrat head of the Senate?
Ignore the shooting at this time. What does that say about Schumer's involvement? This whole thing has been overblown from the minute it happened.
Occam's Razor anyone?
So, the ARMED POLICE who were standing within 10' of the dudes smashing the windows were right there all along?Secolobo said:
Video shows new angle of Ashli Babbitt shooting inside Capitol
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