Kraken lawyer sanction hearings today

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GeorgiAg said:

Dow Jones is up. Unemployment is down.

He dropped the ball on immigration, I agree.

Unemployment rate has been a meaningless measure since the definition was altered under a previous Dem regime. Labor force participation rate for June is at 61.6; merely back to Oct 2020 levels. This despite many states opening up.
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GeorgiAg said:

aTmAg said:

Some PATHETIC moderator is deleting nearly every post I make. Yet, OP is responding and has stated that he used not downvoting my posts.

WTF staff???
I"m a big boy. I know y'all think I'm wrong. I think you are wrong about Trump. I think he's a dangerous wanna-be Putin style autocrat. I'm here to discuss.

Staff warned other posters before about "you voted for this" getting old - I didn't object then either. I think it's kind of funny.


When did trump threaten US citizens with nukes and F-15s?
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ChemEAg08 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Dow Jones is up. Unemployment is down.

He dropped the ball on immigration, I agree.

I would vote for DeSantis. But not if Trump is anywhere near the ticket.


Open job positions at record highs
Inflation at 20+ year highs
Illegal immigration at record highs
Your president threatening citizens with nukes, f-15s, and door to door mandatory vaccines
Killing domestic O&G but approving Russian O&G projects
His son painting pictures for up to $500k a pop to anonymous buyers (if DJT jr did this you'd have an aneurism)

Care to let us know your opinions on those?
Stimulus checks caused people laying out of work and contributed to inflation. I agree those should have been more limited.
I've not seen anyone credibly suggest mandatory vaccines.
Don't like the O&G policies, either.
At least he hasn't hired Hunter to work in his administration, like Trump did with his kids/son in law.
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M-K-TAG said:

leftcoastaggie said:

thirdcoast said:


If that was Antifa on the other side of the window, you called those guys patriot heroes. Instead it's a bunch of crazed Trump supporters trying to disrupt the vote calculations. Why did that mob think that the election supervisors would let into the tabulation room? The actual observers were already in the room, but it's a funny pic for you guys to misconstrue what actually happened that day.
What you fail to mention is they kicked out the Republican observers... You are the one lying here. You have zero credibility. The only crazed people are the ones that were kicking out observers threatening them with violence etc... But hey bring back your stupid scoreboard so we can all have a laugh.
No observers were kicked out. That's a lie, just like all the other lies that Lin Wood and Sidney Powell perpetuated after the election and are currently being grilled about from a federal judge. Sorry you fell for them. Sidney and Lin are about it get what's coming to them for all their lies that they spread. That's what this thread is about.

You're right it was a big laugh to see the GOP lawsuits fail 0-60 after the election. Probably going to update it after this hearing today.
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I agree on the mail in ballots being mailed potentially being more susceptible to fraud. Texas shut down the Harris county activist that was the county clerk for doing this. Other states may have had laws allowing it. But without knowing all controls in place, it is reasonable to expect this to be less secure.

However, you're talking about a gray area of law and you're projecting unverified fraud on to it. I think the left did a better job of expanding the gray area and getting people to vote and yes, I think Biden got 80million + votes because it was easier to vote, and their fan base was motivated amidst the worlds largest pandemic and most devastating (from an economic standpoint) and a polarizing personality that already triggered half of them.
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GeorgiAg said:

ChemEAg08 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Dow Jones is up. Unemployment is down.

He dropped the ball on immigration, I agree.

I would vote for DeSantis. But not if Trump is anywhere near the ticket.


Open job positions at record highs
Inflation at 20+ year highs
Illegal immigration at record highs
Your president threatening citizens with nukes, f-15s, and door to door mandatory vaccines
Killing domestic O&G but approving Russian O&G projects
His son painting pictures for up to $500k a pop to anonymous buyers (if DJT jr did this you'd have an aneurism)

Care to let us know your opinions on those?
Stimulus checks caused people laying out of work and contributed to inflation. I agree those should have been more limited.
I've not seen anyone credibly suggest mandatory vaccines.
Don't like the O&G policies, either.
At least he hasn't hired Hunter to work in his administration, like Trump did with his kids/son in law.


So hiring your kids into an administration is worse than letting anonymous people buy your son's art work who has no history of being an artist? Your TDS is flaring up again.
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Funny how the leftists here ignore the tough questions and challenges to their terrible logic, and then deflect everything to some insignificant orange man bad scenario.

America is in a worse place now than under Trump. It's undeniable and y'all have no defense. The schtick that Biden has returned us to normalcy only works on idiots unless normal is being weak, corrupt, and feckless.
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BCG Disciple said:

I agree on the mail in ballots being mailed potentially being more susceptible to fraud. Texas shut down the Harris county activist that was the county clerk for doing this. Other states may have had laws allowing it. But without knowing all controls in place, it is reasonable to expect this to be less secure.

However, you're talking about a gray area of law and you're projecting unverified fraud on to it. I think the left did a better job of expanding the gray area and getting people to vote and yes, I think Biden got 80million + votes because it was easier to vote, and their fan base was motivated amidst the worlds largest pandemic and most devastating (from an economic standpoint) and a polarizing personality that already triggered half of them.


You're wrong and I don't believe you. The left was not more motivated for Biden than Obama. It's only gray area if you want it to be. People like you that bury their heads in the sand and defy common sense because they like the result are why the radicals have such a foothold in the culture nowadays.

ETA expanding the gray area is a cute euphemism for cheating. Nice.
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You're right. Social media based polarization is at an all time high, our country shut down for a pandemic, the WORLD shut down for a pandemic, unemployment was at the highest it's been since the depression, federal printers are working overtime spending trillions, but the right continues to push a narrative that people were more excited about Obama. Ok.

Wake tf up. Fails to even seek to quantify TDS' impact on turnout. You cannot turn on the news without seeing trump bashing at every turn. Yet people liked Obama!
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M-K-TAG said:

leftcoastaggie said:

thirdcoast said:


If that was Antifa on the other side of the window, you called those guys patriot heroes. Instead it's a bunch of crazed Trump supporters trying to disrupt the vote calculations. Why did that mob think that the election supervisors would let into the tabulation room? The actual observers were already in the room, but it's a funny pic for you guys to misconstrue what actually happened that day.
What you fail to mention is they kicked out the Republican observers... You are the one lying here. You have zero credibility. The only crazed people are the ones that were kicking out observers threatening them with violence etc... But hey bring back your stupid scoreboard so we can all have a laugh.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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GeorgiAg said:

Dow Jones is up. Unemployment is down.

He dropped the ball on immigration, I agree.

I would vote for DeSantis. But not if Trump is anywhere near the ticket.
The post you were replying to got deleted.

Are you defending the Biden administration here?
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Just like you refuse to see the fact that mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting are the sole reason the dementia patient you voted for is occupying the White House today. Are you proud of voting for someone in the mental state that Biden is in?

Fact of the matter is you've conceded that unsolicited mail-in ballots are bad, but you're defending results determined by unsolicited mail-in ballots. The right is correct to be skeptical of the results. You are a lemming to say it's all conspiracy theories, and you should be the #1 cheerleader for any and all scrutiny of the election. If you are right, it will be proven.

You can disagree with the notion that the election was fraudulent. However, you have no ground to stand on to claim the right is acting like petulant conspiracy theorists when the other side spent 4 years drumming up bull**** to undermine a duly elected president. Your best move is to shut the hell up and hope the audits don't prove you wrong because your position is just as unfounded as the position that there was massive fraud.
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ChemEAg08 said:

GeorgiAg said:

ChemEAg08 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Dow Jones is up. Unemployment is down.

He dropped the ball on immigration, I agree.

I would vote for DeSantis. But not if Trump is anywhere near the ticket.


Open job positions at record highs
Inflation at 20+ year highs
Illegal immigration at record highs
Your president threatening citizens with nukes, f-15s, and door to door mandatory vaccines
Killing domestic O&G but approving Russian O&G projects
His son painting pictures for up to $500k a pop to anonymous buyers (if DJT jr did this you'd have an aneurism)

Care to let us know your opinions on those?
Stimulus checks caused people laying out of work and contributed to inflation. I agree those should have been more limited.
I've not seen anyone credibly suggest mandatory vaccines.
Don't like the O&G policies, either.
At least he hasn't hired Hunter to work in his administration, like Trump did with his kids/son in law.


So hiring your kids into an administration is worse than letting anonymous people buy your son's art work who has no history of being an artist? Your TDS is flaring up again.
Those anonymous people just might be expecting something(s) in return. Quid Pro Quo
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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leftcoastaggie said:

M-K-TAG said:

leftcoastaggie said:

thirdcoast said:


If that was Antifa on the other side of the window, you called those guys patriot heroes. Instead it's a bunch of crazed Trump supporters trying to disrupt the vote calculations. Why did that mob think that the election supervisors would let into the tabulation room? The actual observers were already in the room, but it's a funny pic for you guys to misconstrue what actually happened that day.
What you fail to mention is they kicked out the Republican observers... You are the one lying here. You have zero credibility. The only crazed people are the ones that were kicking out observers threatening them with violence etc... But hey bring back your stupid scoreboard so we can all have a laugh.
No observers were kicked out. That's a lie, just like all the other lies that Lin Wood and Sidney Powell perpetuated after the election and are currently being grilled about from a federal judge. Sorry you fell for them. Sidney and Lin are about it get what's coming to them for all their lies that they spread. That's what this thread is about.

You're right it was a big laugh to see the GOP lawsuits fail 0-60 after the election. Probably going to update it after this hearing today.
Yes they were.. We can go back and forth on this all day long. I could give you the evidence but you will just triple down and make up some nonsense to deny it. What planet do you live on?? Obviously not the one called reality. Sidney and Lin got their facts wrong but everyone knows the election was stolen.. maybe not by Dominion but it was stolen by other means. The only big lie is the one repeated by you and your minions that this was the most secure election in history and no fraud occurred. puhleeze. Election was stolen.. you know it,, I know it, We all know it.
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GeorgiAg said:

You can promote the Big Lie on Twitter and in the media all you want, but you go into a Federal Court and do so and there will be consequences.

I voted for Biden and against Trump. Trump is still promoting the lie.




And you're responsible for the destruction of America happening right now

Quit pretending this in any way justifies your vote for tyranny
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Lin Wood is running for cover now.
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GeorgiAg said:

aTmAg said:

Some PATHETIC moderator is deleting nearly every post I make. Yet, OP is responding and has stated that he used not downvoting my posts.

WTF staff???
I"m a big boy. I know y'all think I'm wrong. I think you are wrong about Trump. I think he's a dangerous wanna-be Putin style autocrat. I'm here to discuss.

Staff warned other posters before about "you voted for this" getting old - I didn't object then either. I think it's kind of funny.
Troll - a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

This whole thread was a troll you knew would instigate arguments and should be deleted, not just the posts that offend you because of your past voting record being pointed out.
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"I had no involvement in any of this." - Lin Wood.

He asking for an evidentiary hearing. How's he going to claim that when it was all over Twitter, the news and everywhere that he'd been served with Rule 11? He didn't respond at all in response to that.

He, or his staff, should read his email/mail.
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GeorgiAg said:



At least he hasn't hired Hunter to work in his administration, like Trump did with his kids/son in law.
I am not, in general, a fan of nepotism. But Trump's children and stepchildren were not drug addicted opportunists who were seeking to enrich themselves (and The Big Guy) by selling access to the likes of Ukraine, China, and the Soviet Union. Big difference, I would say.
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I did enjoy Haller (one of the Krakken lawyers) very emphatically saying what they submitted could not be hearsay because it was included in an affidavit

ETA: should have been the laughing/crying face for that one
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The judge was not happy with the triple hearsay in that affidavit
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M-K-TAG said:

leftcoastaggie said:

M-K-TAG said:

leftcoastaggie said:

thirdcoast said:


If that was Antifa on the other side of the window, you called those guys patriot heroes. Instead it's a bunch of crazed Trump supporters trying to disrupt the vote calculations. Why did that mob think that the election supervisors would let into the tabulation room? The actual observers were already in the room, but it's a funny pic for you guys to misconstrue what actually happened that day.
What you fail to mention is they kicked out the Republican observers... You are the one lying here. You have zero credibility. The only crazed people are the ones that were kicking out observers threatening them with violence etc... But hey bring back your stupid scoreboard so we can all have a laugh.
No observers were kicked out. That's a lie, just like all the other lies that Lin Wood and Sidney Powell perpetuated after the election and are currently being grilled about from a federal judge. Sorry you fell for them. Sidney and Lin are about it get what's coming to them for all their lies that they spread. That's what this thread is about.

You're right it was a big laugh to see the GOP lawsuits fail 0-60 after the election. Probably going to update it after this hearing today.
Yes they were.. We can go back and forth on this all day long. I could give you the evidence but you will just triple down and make up some nonsense to deny it. What planet do you live on?? Obviously not the one called reality. Sidney and Lin got their facts wrong but everyone knows the election was stolen.. maybe not by Dominion but it was stolen by other means. The only big lie is the one repeated by you and your minions that this was the most secure election in history and no fraud occurred. puhleeze. Election was stolen.. you know it,, I know it, We all know it.
Just like the Iowa caucus was stolen too.....



2016 same bs. You've been lied to for so long you have no idea.

By the way, hearing is still going on and Lin and Sidney are getting roasted. Just uncovering more lies that have warped your reality. Their only defense so far is that none of them actually read the affidavits that they submitted to the court so there is no way they can be held responsible if they were full of lies.
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What is the mods' obsession with protecting GeorgiAg?
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They knowingly submitted patently false affidavits. Haller seems the most culpable here.
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I think Haller was about to cry.

Campbell interrupting the judge - not good. We'll see how that plays out.
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GeorgiAg said:

ChemEAg08 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Dow Jones is up. Unemployment is down.

He dropped the ball on immigration, I agree.

I would vote for DeSantis. But not if Trump is anywhere near the ticket.


Open job positions at record highs
Inflation at 20+ year highs
Illegal immigration at record highs
Your president threatening citizens with nukes, f-15s, and door to door mandatory vaccines
Killing domestic O&G but approving Russian O&G projects
His son painting pictures for up to $500k a pop to anonymous buyers (if DJT jr did this you'd have an aneurism)

Care to let us know your opinions on those?
Stimulus checks caused people laying out of work and contributed to inflation. I agree those should have been more limited.
I've not seen anyone credibly suggest mandatory vaccines.
Don't like the O&G policies, either.
At least he hasn't hired Hunter to work in his administration, like Trump did with his kids/son in law.
Yeah, nepotism is bad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/biden-nepotism-pledge-ethics/2021/06/25/9f70d070-d50f-11eb-9f29-e9e6c9e843c6_story.html

Oops...
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GeorgiAg said:

ChemEAg08 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Dow Jones is up. Unemployment is down.

He dropped the ball on immigration, I agree.

I would vote for DeSantis. But not if Trump is anywhere near the ticket.


Open job positions at record highs
Inflation at 20+ year highs
Illegal immigration at record highs
Your president threatening citizens with nukes, f-15s, and door to door mandatory vaccines
Killing domestic O&G but approving Russian O&G projects
His son painting pictures for up to $500k a pop to anonymous buyers (if DJT jr did this you'd have an aneurism)

Care to let us know your opinions on those?
Stimulus checks caused people laying out of work and contributed to inflation. I agree those should have been more limited.
I've not seen anyone credibly suggest mandatory vaccines.
Don't like the O&G policies, either.
At least he hasn't hired Hunter to work in his administration, like Trump did with his kids/son in law.



Let me again point out.

46 presidents.
232 Years of History.

Only 1 single president had never held a political office or been a Military General before becoming president.

That's the very definition of the most outsider president in history.

No matter what you think about Trump. Every president of the United States deserves to have at least one person in their inner circle that they know and trust.

Where is a compete outsider going to find someone they know and trust? Certainly not inside the beltway as evidenced by virtually hundreds of stories from inside the beauracracy, congress, and Trumps own political party since 2016. State level political apparatus? Who? Where? New York? Florida?

Trump was not just an outside to politics in general he was an outsider to the GOP. His late 90s dabble in politics was in the Reform Party. A party created by another billionaire that was also a complete outsider.

At least 10-15 presidents hired family members into their administration. Most famously Kennedy.

Such a ridiculous critique of Trump.
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policywonk98 said:

GeorgiAg said:

ChemEAg08 said:

GeorgiAg said:

Dow Jones is up. Unemployment is down.

He dropped the ball on immigration, I agree.

I would vote for DeSantis. But not if Trump is anywhere near the ticket.


Open job positions at record highs
Inflation at 20+ year highs
Illegal immigration at record highs
Your president threatening citizens with nukes, f-15s, and door to door mandatory vaccines
Killing domestic O&G but approving Russian O&G projects
His son painting pictures for up to $500k a pop to anonymous buyers (if DJT jr did this you'd have an aneurism)

Care to let us know your opinions on those?
Stimulus checks caused people laying out of work and contributed to inflation. I agree those should have been more limited.
I've not seen anyone credibly suggest mandatory vaccines.
Don't like the O&G policies, either.
At least he hasn't hired Hunter to work in his administration, like Trump did with his kids/son in law.



Let me again point out.

46 presidents.
232 Years of History.

Only 1 single president had never held a political office or been a Military General before becoming president.

That's the very definition of the most outsider president in history.

No matter what you think about Trump. Every president of the United States deserves to have at least one person in their inner circle that they know and trust.

Where is a compete outsider going to find someone they know and trust? Certainly not inside the beltway as evidenced by virtually hundreds of stories from inside the beauracracy, congress, and Trumps own political party since 2016. State level political apparatus? Who? Where? New York? Florida?

Trump was not just an outside to politics in general he was an outsider to the GOP. His late 90s dabble in politics was in the Reform Party. A party created by another billionaire that was also a complete outsider.

At least 10-15 presidents hired family members into their administration. Most famously Kennedy.

Such a ridiculous critique of Trump.

When all you have is talknig points, it is hard to argue logically
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Affidavit: "I believe votes were changed from Trump to Biden"

Campbell: Well, they could have seen the votes changed, so that's why they had the belief.


Wow. Filing an affidavit like that in Federal Court.
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Give Rudy and Trump credit for distancing themselves from these nuts.

Also, Georgia Ag, your state is blue and you are a liberal, own up to it. Biden will carry Georgia again and thank you for the lovely Stacy chick.
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Are you posting for your own enjoyment or what? Nobody here cares about this proceeding. Your troll attempt against people who initially supported Wood is ridiculous given your side propped up CPL Avenatti for months on end. Did you live post his proceedings?

At least Wood had a legitimate reason to back him at first given his legal record. He turned out to be a dud, and if he acted in an unethical manner, he gets what he gets. No reasonable person cares about this and it's just another symptom of your terminal TDS. Your enjoyment of this just makes it seem like another witch hunt.
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Seriously77 said:



Give Rudy and Trump credit for distancing themselves from these nuts.

Also, Georgia Ag, your state is blue and you are a liberal, own up to it. Biden will carry Georgia again and thank you for the lovely Stacy chick.
No he won't. Kemp was spineless post election, but he at least locked out the antics with the new laws
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I've change my chances of sanctions being handed down from 50% to 90%. This judge is totally pissed, and not in the "federal judges are normally pissed off" way.
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Court: Did you talk to affiants?

Kleinhendler: No, we talked to experts. They were consistent with what the witnesses were saying.
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HTownAg98 said:

I've change my chances of sanctions being handed down from 50% to 90%. This judge is totally pissed, and not in the "federal judges are normally pissed off" way.
I think 90% is too low. This "hearing" is a formality. She is pissed off.
 
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