Ok, go with that. I was taking it in the context of the multiple other stories of crazy docs pushing the vaccine. The 1% story is nonsense one way or another, but the medical recommendation is consistent!the others. If you want to focus solely on the alleged 1% stat, congrats, I agree. It's not accurate.

But the medical community still overwhelmingly recommends vaccination.

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You're arguing like a first year law student. One poster spouted at that 1/100 stat. He is most likely lying or misheard. No medical professional would state that Covid has an overall 1% mortality rate. It's lower than that.

Putting that aside, there are multiple reports of docs recommending the vaccine. Stop clinging to a single data point as the basis for your entire position.

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We have medical "professionals" advising masks and other, proven ineffective actions all of the time, why not totally fabricated data?

The truth, that even I knew on day one, is out now after over 15 months of this lunacy.

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So, another shining example of a non-doctor mad because he knows more about medicine than medical professionals? Are these docs dumb libs, agents of the deep state or what?

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You're arguing like a first year law student. One poster spouted at that 1/100 stat. He is most likely lying or misheard. No medical professional would state that Covid has an overall 1% mortality rate. It's lower than that.

Putting that aside, there are multiple reports of docs recommending the vaccine. Stop clinging to a single data point as the basis for your entire position.

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We have medical "professionals" advising masks and other, proven ineffective actions all of the time, why not totally fabricated data?

The truth, that even I knew on day one, is out now after over 15 months of this lunacy.

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So, another shining example of a non-doctor mad because he knows more about medicine than medical professionals? Are these docs dumb libs, on agents of the deep state or what?

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Most are simply regurgitating incorrect advice from CDC/WHO/Fauci or expounding on it, adding to the LOLFail we've witnessed since day one.

I'm no expert but doc said it's highly effective. The second shot is 2-6 months after the first shot.
I've known several people my age that have gotten the shingles and all have said that it's Fin miserable.

The shots both left my arm pretty sore and I didn't feel well after the second one. Really glad I got it done and hope to never get shingles.

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Ok, go with that. I was taking it in the context of the multiple other stories of crazy docs pushing the vaccine. The 1% story is nonsense one way or another, but the medical recommendation is consistent!the others. If you want to focus solely on the alleged 1% stat, congrats, I agree. It's not accurate.

But the medical community still overwhelmingly recommends vaccination.

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I'm so tired of this point. Of course they do. They also recommend the flu shot every year.

But doctors don't normally spend several minutes during an unrelated visit harping about the importance of the flu shot.

I would distrust a doc that told me "no you probably shouldn't get the covid shot" as much as I would distrust one that spent 10 minutes telling me how important it is to protect others.

"Recommended" does not equal "really should."

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The real problem and the annoying thing is that you never go further into your viewpoints than "we should really blame ourselves for not holding Trump and conservatives accountable."

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I think the real problem is conservatives only blaming Democrats and their media. What does that accomplish? If conservatives focused on creating expectations and then holding Republicans accountable wouldn't that be a good starting point?

I agree that many posters think I'm a lib. They believe that any criticism of Trump only comes from Democrats.

You are a damned fool if you got the vaccine.

Ah, of course. Your medical research is more comprehensive that the CDC/WHO. Who could doubt that. I mean, you're not a doctor and from San Antonio. No question as to who is on the right track.

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Ah, of course. Your medical research is more comprehensive that the CDC/WHO. Who could doubt that. I mean, you're not a doctor and from San Antonio. No question as to who is on the right track.

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Always trust organizations, like the WHO, who is protecting the communist government who created it.

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The real problem and the annoying thing is that you never go further into your viewpoints than "we should really blame ourselves for not holding Trump and conservatives accountable."

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I think the real problem is conservatives only blaming Democrats and their media. What does that accomplish? If conservatives focused on creating expectations and then holding Republicans accountable wouldn't that be a good starting point?

I agree that many posters think I'm a lib. They believe that any criticism of Trump only comes from Democrats.

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But conservatives aren't solely blaming democrats and the media. Many on this board are big on punishing elected leaders, including our republican governor, with primaries for advancing the COVID nonsense. And few are giving Trump a pass on it, but rather simply acknowledging the overwhelming pressure he was under with everything/everyone against him during an election year. I know I don't give Trump a pass, go do a username search with me and "bad trump" and you'll see plenty of results.

Maybe you're right and I'm just missing all the people saying republicans/conservatives handled the pandemic well and only blaming democrats and the media.

I mean I still have reservations over DeSantis for 2024 over his COVID response. He was just the smartest guy on the short bus.

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Ah, of course. Your medical research is more comprehensive that the CDC/WHO. Who could doubt that. I mean, you're not a doctor and from San Antonio. No question as to who is on the right track.

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Evidently, I am. Everything I've said since day one has proven true. But thanks for noticing that I'm correct.

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I'm no expert but doc said it's highly effective. The second shot is 2-6 months after the first shot.
I've known several people my age that have gotten the shingles and all have said that it's Fin miserable.

The shots both left my arm pretty sore and I didn't feel well after the second one. Really glad I got it done and hope to never get shingles.

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I have had both the Moderna two shot and the shingles two shot. No issues with Moderna. Shingles kicked my tail both shots.

You really don't know what will happen to you until you take a vaccination. Everyone is different and one could be healthy and have no issues and another have something underlying no one knows about.
Spouse had Pfizer and got sick. Daughters had J&J. One got sick, one didn't. Son had Pfizer and no issues.

I am not going to judge anyone for taking or not taking the COVID jab.

There is good evidence that it does help, but indications that it greatly impacts others. It is under EUD and no one should be forced to take it or insulted for not.

Bad medicine. You should never be judgmental to your patients. Just offer them the vaccine, educate on risks and benefits. If the patient still refuses despite your recommendations, leave it at that.

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Ah, of course. Your medical research is more comprehensive that the CDC/WHO. Who could doubt that. I mean, you're not a doctor and from San Antonio. No question as to who is on the right track.

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Whose black sweat Sox are you? 370 posts since 2016?

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The real problem and the annoying thing is that you never go further into your viewpoints than "we should really blame ourselves for not holding Trump and conservatives accountable."

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I think the real problem is conservatives only blaming Democrats and their media. What does that accomplish? If conservatives focused on creating expectations and then holding Republicans accountable wouldn't that be a good starting point?

I agree that many posters think I'm a lib. They believe that any criticism of Trump only comes from Democrats.

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But conservatives aren't solely blaming democrats and the media. Many on this board are big on punishing elected leaders, including our republican governor, with primaries for advancing the COVID nonsense. And few are giving Trump a pass on it, but rather simply acknowledging the overwhelming pressure he was under with everything/everyone against him during an election year. I know I don't give Trump a pass, go do a username search with me and "bad trump" and you'll see plenty of results.

Maybe you're right and I'm just missing all the people saying republicans/conservatives handled the pandemic well and only blaming democrats and the media.

I mean I still have reservations over DeSantis for 2024 over his COVID response. He was just the smartest guy on the short bus.

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I appreciate your cordial responses. I definitely focus on what I believe is the only solution to stop Democrats...holding Republicans accountable. The angry responses I get from not following the progressive narrative only strengthens my arguments.

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I'm no expert but doc said it's highly effective. The second shot is 2-6 months after the first shot.
I've known several people my age that have gotten the shingles and all have said that it's Fin miserable.

The shots both left my arm pretty sore and I didn't feel well after the second one. Really glad I got it done and hope to never get shingles.

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You and me both! I watched my cousin for almost 2 months with a belt like rash that started under his abs go all the way around his back. I felt terrible for him. He couldn't get comfortable in bed so he slept when he could in his lounge chair. Most of the time with a ceiling fan and a box fan on him.
I got the single booster, then the shingles double booster. It was unpleasant but not what he went through.

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Ah, of course. Your medical research is more comprehensive that the CDC/WHO. Who could doubt that. I mean, you're not a doctor and from San Antonio. No question as to who is on the right track.

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Whose black sweat Sox are you? 370 posts since 2016?

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Some lib must have gotten a time out. That account rarely posts anything but hit and run comments.

Now it is active all day long.

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Did you ask him to explain how people are dying of the Pfizer vaccine such as my friend's mom we are burying tomorrow?

And it was her doctor that recommended she get it. He killed her.

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TROLL TROLL TROLL YOU BOAT...

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Just to jump on the doc's defense he has probably had several patients die to COVID and prefers you to not die from COVID as well. I know it is shocking but most docs actually care about their patients.

I don't press people on vaccines for COVID or anything else. I tell them what I recommend and what the ACIP recommends and give them what they want. I am not going to change their vaccine faith decisions in 10 minutes anyway just a waste of both parties time.

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So let me get this right and there are many variables
330 million people
600,000 deaths supposedly china flu deaths
No deaths from regular flu

And every covid death hospitals were paid a amount for their death from the gubbement

So where your experience is well supported and your hard work to becoming a doxtor.

Politics is not in a doctors curriculum to get their license

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If you don't have the antibodies it probably isn't a bad idea to get a vaccine. But no one should pressure you or guilt you into it any more than they would for the flu vaccine.

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Why? He's fairly young and healthy. I saw on the news this morning that the FDA is now restricting the use of some new Alzheimer's drug to only those in the early stages of Alzheimer's. Why? Because, apparently, they have now discovered some adverse side affects with those in the clinical trials that were in later stages. If only we had done real clinical trials with the mRNA vaccines. Oh, well, I'm sure this novel vaccine is safe. He's smart not to get the vaccine. Just stay away from memaw and your selfish doctor if you get the COVID.

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Also my doctor said about three times during the lecture that "we're all in this together."

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"Who's 'we'? You got a mouse in your pocket doc?"

We have elevated doctors to near godlike status.

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Just to jump on the doc's defense he has probably had several patients die to COVID and prefers you to not die from COVID as well. I know it is shocking but most docs actually care about their patients.

I don't press people on vaccines for COVID or anything else. I tell them what I recommend and what the ACIP recommends and give them what they want. I am not going to change their vaccine faith decisions in 10 minutes anyway just a waste of both parties time.

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I seriously doubt this is the case. I normally like your posts and think you're a solid professional contributor on the COVID topic, but this is silly.

The chances of a family practitioner having multiple patients/customers die of COVID is remote.

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I'm a family doc and have had multiple patients die from covid. Most family docs that I know have had multiple patients die from covid.

That said, due to bioethical concerns I only recommend the vaccine for people at high risk or those that are frequently in contact with those at high risk. I unhappily got it, but told my wife and most of my friends not to.

Yeah, fck doctors. Mine has been telling me I need to exercise more and eat more vegetables for years. Asshat needs to kind his own business.

I would change doctors. His reasoning is terrible.

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Yeah, fck doctors. Mine has been telling me I need to exercise more and eat more vegetables for years. Asshat needs to kind his own business.

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Nobody is questioning a doc advising medical advice, just the extremely ridiculous amount and lack of veracity.

My doctor, last December, advised me to get it. I declined, that was the end of it. Zero issues with that. Somebody less awesome, but with similar/same comorbidities as me should think about getting the Fru shot.

I can't recall the last time I went to a doctor where he/she did not attempt to up sell me on some new product, procedure, or additional visit. I don't know if this is the norm or if I just happened to visit docs that engage in this type of activity. It would seem that the COVID vaccine, whether you view it as effective or not, is a new item to be sold.

I think the issue here is that many automatically assume certain professions are infallible. My primary doc was recommending that I wear a mask last year. Well, that was clearly wrong since we all know masks do nothing.

However, she's also the same doc that was adamant about her kid going to camp and getting out and living her life so she at least disregarded the fake news with Covid impacting kids.

We all have access to the same data that doctors do on Covid statistics, so it's not like they have proprietary knowledge access here. Executing treatment of it is a different topic but they know nothing more about the mechanism and outcomes than we do.

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I can't recall the last time I went to a doctor where he/she did not attempt to up sell me on some new product, procedure, or additional visit. I don't know if this is the norm or if I just happened to visit docs that engage in this type of activity. It would seem that the COVID vaccine, whether you view it as effective or not, is a new item to be sold.

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You may want to consider changing doctors. My primary docs do not do this. If anything, mine tend to dissuade me from pursuing something on the rare occasion that I bring something up I've heard about it.

Flip side of that could be a specialist. Some of those docs get in bed with certain drugs for a variety of reasons and will push it.

Same here.
I dropped him like a hot potato.

And yall say I'm a troll .....

Just left my friend's funeral who died from the Pfizer vaccine. If you can at all avoid taking these until we know much more we know much more about the safety of them of them please do your homework. Make what you what you think is the best decision for you

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Just left my friend's funeral who died from the Pfizer vaccine. If you can at all avoid taking these until we know much more we know much more about the safety of them of them please do your homework. Make what you what you think is the best decision for you

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So sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking, what complications arose from your friend taking the vaccine?

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The Doctor can do what he pleases. If you don't like it, go find a new doctor instead of whining here like trump

Hope this helps.

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Go troll somewhere else. You are zero help.