Nope just saw my Dr. didn't even ask.

Why do you have to take a stab in the arm with an experimental drug just because others are unhealthy or old? Sounds like a people need to start losing some weight and get their health in order so they lower their risk of dying of the virus

My doctor told me she's waiting years after FDA approval to even think about getting it

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Nope. The only questions my doctor asked me about the China virus was if I had it since the last time I saw him, or if I had gotten the vaccine. Told him no to both and he fully agrees on not getting vaccines unless the person is very high risk. He also said if I do get the virus, call his office and he'll prescribe Ivermectin if I want it.

He also refers to Fauci as "that little worm."

Edit: The "nope" refers to my doctor's response about virus and vaccines. Saw him a few weeks ago.

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Are you in College Station? If so, who is your doctor?

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Um, hello? I wasn't the one who made you become a doctor. You knew the risks going into your profession.

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Dude. Can you hear yourself?

Sounds like OP has a doc issue.

If you live in north Houston (Klein, TBall, Woodlands) go see Dr. Kent Erickson with Methodist Hosp System. His office is on 242 and I 45. Knows his stuff, let's you ask questions and tells you what he thinks. Good staff in his office. Got my two Pfizer shots within 3 weeks of each other at the Methodist location on Greenbrier near Fannin in Jan/Feb of this year. Easy-Peasy.

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Full disclosure: I am a Type 2 diabetic ( have good numbers with a healthy diet and medicine) and hypertension (again, under control.) I am at risk but will fight the disease of I get it with other means. If it kills me, it kills me. Who is to say the vaccine won't kill me?

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It's possible (though unlikely) that you could be struck by lightning. It's possible (though again unlikely) that you could be hurt by a COVID vaccine. Based on your pre-existing conditions, and I assume age, you likely have a higher relative probability (though still small in absolute terms) of experiencing a negative outcome from an actual COVID infection compared to the vaccine.

My wife and I were just with a group of friends. One of the ladies had COVID mid 2020, and has since been fully vaccinated. Just found out a little bit ago she has it again, and we have been around her most of the weekend. The point being, is I wouldn't be particularly responsive to anyone lecturing me about a vaccine.

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blacksox said:

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Ok, go with that. I was taking it in the context of the multiple other stories of crazy docs pushing the vaccine. The 1% story is nonsense one way or another, but the medical recommendation is consistent!the others. If you want to focus solely on the alleged 1% stat, congrats, I agree. It's not accurate.

But the medical community still overwhelmingly recommends vaccination.

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I'm so tired of this point. Of course they do. They also recommend the flu shot every year.

But doctors don't normally spend several minutes during an unrelated visit harping about the importance of the flu shot.

I would distrust a doc that told me "no you probably shouldn't get the covid shot" as much as I would distrust one that spent 10 minutes telling me how important it is to protect others.

"Recommended" does not equal "really should."

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To be fair, hundreds of physicians have complaints filed with the state board or are sued every year for what amounts to failing to push a patient or a patients family hard enough. A patient refuses something, they have a bad outcome because of it and they or their family sue because "the doctor didn't make it clear how dire the consequences of refusal would be". We're already seeing this with COVID, where suits are being filed because a patient got worse after refusing various treatment options or got sick after refusing vaccination.

Now virtually all of these are immediately dismissed as frivolous, but the point is in some ways we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Many people are defiant only up to the point at which they suffer negative consequences for their decisions, at which time it becomes someone else's fault.

It's usually pretty clear when a patient will not be swayed by a discussion and my stance in these cases is people have to be at least potentially receptive before a prolonged discussion is worthwhile. But in a high risk patient or someone who seems on the fence I'll definitely take a extra few minutes to explain in more detail.

That's great. Thanks for letting us know.

Doctors and lawyers and consultants... listen, take notes, make up your own mind. They aren't gods.

Get it or not get it. Whatever you want.

After all, patients with no medical training always know more then medical doctors.

By the way, I had a colonoscopy on Friday. I had to wear a mask going into and leaving the clinic, but not during the colonoscopy itself.

Recovery time was supposed to be like half an hour. I woke up as they wheeled me out of the operating room (reluctantly -- I was having a very pleasant dream) and in five minutes was thumbing through the Scientific American I brought with me. A couple minutes after that they had me get dressed and wait for the doctor for the debriefing.

I was already to answer questions to check my alertness such "what day is it", "who is the President", and "what is PI to 8 decimal places", but all they asked was my birthday.

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My wife and I were just with a group of friends. One of the ladies had COVID mid 2020, and has since been fully vaccinated. Just found out a little bit ago she has it again, and we have been around her most of the weekend. The point being, is I wouldn't be particularly responsive to anyone lecturing me about a vaccine.

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I had it in May last year and had all but one of the same symptoms (no screwup in my loss of smell) in the same order and to the very same degree in October, but I didn't get tested because of no loss of smell.

The PA at the clinic asked if I wanted to be tested (PCR) and I told her that there didn't seem to be any point to it since even if I did have it, I would be out of isolation before they got the results back. She didn't like that one bit and said that the isolation would begin when they got the test results. I told her that I had read the CDC guidelines which were also used by the Texas State Department of Health and isolation only went by the date of the test if there were no symptoms at all. (See https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3208546/replies/59622572 )

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FrioAg 00 said:

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Most doctors have placed your compliance with their political agenda above their responsibility to your physical health.

And they have warped and twisted their minds enough to believe they are doing the right thing

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Physicians as a whole are one of the most conservative high-income professionals in America, and last I saw THE most conservative among those fields requiring advanced post-graduate training.

This idea that recommending a COVID vaccine to patient means one is pushing a liberal political agenda is absurd. That being said, with respect to the OPs post, his doctor offered incorrect statistics and pushed well beyond the point at which it was meaningful and potentially productive to do so.

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As usual, very well said.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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Most doctors have placed your compliance with their political agenda above their responsibility to your physical health.

And they have warped and twisted their minds enough to believe they are doing the right thing

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Physicians as a whole are one of the most conservative high-income professionals in America, and last I saw THE most conservative among those fields requiring advanced post-graduate training.

This idea that recommending a COVID vaccine to patient means one is pushing a liberal political agenda is absurd. That being said, with respect to the OPs post, his doctor offered incorrect statistics and pushed well beyond the point at which it was meaningful and potentially productive to do so.

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I'm FM, so in addition to reading stuff from AAFP, I normally keep an eye on AAP, ACOG and ACP. Just like what you see in the rest of America, the publications would have you believe that you are the only conservative out there

I was in last week and the doctor didn't even mention it, nor did they require masks

Infection_Ag11 said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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Most doctors have placed your compliance with their political agenda above their responsibility to your physical health.

And they have warped and twisted their minds enough to believe they are doing the right thing

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Physicians as a whole are one of the most conservative high-income professionals in America, and last I saw THE most conservative among those fields requiring advanced post-graduate training.

This idea that recommending a COVID vaccine to patient means one is pushing a liberal political agenda is absurd. That being said, with respect to the OPs post, his doctor offered incorrect statistics and pushed well beyond the point at which it was meaningful and potentially productive to do so.

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This is slightly dated data, coming pre TDS, but 54% of docs registered with a political party being NOT Republican isn't Conservative. Of course, maybe the problem is too many doctors listened to their Infectious Disease colleagues who have proven to be more communist and anti-freedom (so anti-American) than than Russia or the CCP.

That's anecdotal data.
lol

FrioAg 00 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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Most doctors have placed your compliance with their political agenda above their responsibility to your physical health.

And they have warped and twisted their minds enough to believe they are doing the right thing

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Physicians as a whole are one of the most conservative high-income professionals in America, and last I saw THE most conservative among those fields requiring advanced post-graduate training.

This idea that recommending a COVID vaccine to patient means one is pushing a liberal political agenda is absurd. That being said, with respect to the OPs post, his doctor offered incorrect statistics and pushed well beyond the point at which it was meaningful and potentially productive to do so.

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This is slightly dated data, coming pre TDS, but 54% of docs registered with a political party being NOT Republican isn't Conservative. Of course, maybe the problem is too many doctors listened to their Infectious Disease colleagues who have proven to be more communist and anti-freedom (so anti-American) than than Russia or the CCP.

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I didn't say physicians were overwhelmingly conservative, I said they were conservative relative to other high income/advanced degree fields. Polls generally show its around 50%, which this poll falls in line with. And family medicine, which many see as their primary care doctors, tends to be more conservative than the average.

The reality is most highly educated individuals and high income fields in this country (and western nations as a whole) skew heavily liberal. I believe the most conservative single high income field is petroleum engineering at about 75% (which is shocking given how dependent their field is on who is in political power). Multiple surgical specialties are between 60-70%, and as a whole engineers are more liberal than physicians as multiple engineering fields skew strongly liberal. Lawyers are overwhelming liberal at around 75%. We just have to come to grips with these facts.

And I've talked openly here about how heavily skewed infectious diseases is and how unique I am as a Trump voter in this field. It is what it is unfortunately. But most people don't see ID docs to talk specifically about vaccines, we give vaccines to people we are seeing For other reasons. Psychiatrists are so liberal for the same reason petroleum engineers are conservative.

Obgyn's location surprises me. They have always struck me as similar to peds

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Obgyn's location surprises me. They have always struck me as similar to peds

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I think most people perceive them as overwhelmingly liberal because of the abortion and birth control/sex ed topics, but the reality is the overwhelming majority of them don't perform abortions, many are morally opposed to it and they are a surgical field. Surgeons salaries are generally more negatively impacted by centralized healthcare policy.

I was basing my assumption on the acog editorials that come out. They are generally as nuts as the aap ones. Unfortunately aafp has recently become more political as well

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I was basing my assumption on the acog editorials that come out. They are generally as nuts as the aap ones. Unfortunately aafp has recently become more political as well

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Most medical publications and advocacy groups skew liberal because of who gets involved in such things. The physicians who go into medicine interested in these things (especially political advocacy) are generally more liberal, and those who have more time to be involved in it (and thus less clinical responsibilities) also skew left. A ton of physicians within these groups no longer practice at all and are entirely non-clinical, and non-clinical physicians are overwhelmingly liberal.

It always looks different on the ground level. If you polled all the inpatient physicians in a large hospital on a given day you'd get a 50/50, 55/45 type split.

Location is going to matter a ton as well. I've been in the panhandle, st Joe's in bryan and am now in a critical access hospital on the coast. >90% are conservative. I'm sure those numbers swing a ton on the coasts and major teaching facilities

If you don't make it clear that there can be consequences of not taking it, you'll get sued or complaints filed. Even if you (probably) win the cases, it gets tiring.

Gotta be adamant and cover your ass.

Yes

My son had to get a physical for Boy Scout camp

We simply said when he decides to get the vaccine, he will.
We are not making him get one

I've been told it is selfish for people to not get vaccine, even if they cleared virus and have antibodies. We were told the antibodies only lasted 2 weeks, then 3 months, then 6 months. I donated 3200 ML of covid plasma over a 9 month period which could have conservatively saved lives of 10 or so people who were deathly ill. I was literally listening to people tell me I wasn't protected from reinfection when I had life saving antibodies pumping thru my veins, and future scheduled appts to donate it. All because of BS in media and DC.

With each new study that comes out with wider and more reliable data, we are seeing the reinfection rate go down, now less than 1%!

Now the new narrative is the Delta variant is ONLY combated by the vaccine, and not the natural antibodies. IF that is indeed true, we will see a spike in future reinfection studies. Common sense isn't so common.