Testosterone levels...part of our problem?

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Boo Weekley
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This article is from 2007, but you can find others citing studies with similar findings evidencing that average baseline serum testosterone levels in men have decreased at an alarming rate, approx. 1% per year since the 1980's. Do the math on that.

You can look around and just tell this is the case. You can go to any high school and take a look at the current baby faced crop of senior athletes on the football team and compare them to the photos of the hulking players from the 70's and 80's on the locker room walls from past teams who have strong jaws, broad shoulders, sport thick mustaches and look like they're 35.

IMO, one of our major problems is that strong men in society seem to be fading away. They are becoming more passive in their households and refusing to take leadership responsibilities. We see a crazy amount of limp wristed white liberals taking up radical female causes and marching in pvssy hats and talking about the "war on women". If we're being honest, I think everyone can see that there is an outright assault on masculinity and men in general. I am not claiming this is some vast conspiracy, but at what point do we raise awareness and try to get back to setting men on the right track?

This is actually pretty alarming to me. The article cites obesity and decrease in smoking as contributors, but there has to be more to it IMO.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-testosterone-levels-dc/mens-testosterone-levels-declined-in-last-20-years-idUKKIM16976320061031


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NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A new study has found a "substantial" drop in U.S. men's testosterone levels since the 1980s, but the reasons for the decline remain unclear. This trend also does not appear to be related to age.

The average levels of the male hormone dropped by 1 percent a year, Dr. Thomas Travison and colleagues from the New England Research Institutes in Watertown, Massachusetts, found. This means that, for example, a 65-year-old man in 2002 would have testosterone levels 15 percent lower than those of a 65-year-old in 1987. This also means that a greater proportion of men in 2002 would have had below-normal testosterone levels than in 1987.

"The entire population is shifting somewhat downward we think," Travison told Reuters Health. "We're counting on other studies to confirm this."

Travison and his team analyzed data from the Massachusetts Male Aging Study, a long-term investigation of aging in about 1,700 Boston-area men. Data from the men were collected for three time intervals: 1987-1989, 1995-1997, and 2002-2004.

While a man's testosterone level will fall steadily as he ages, the researchers observed a speedier decline in average testosterone levels than would have been expected with aging alone.


DrEvazanPhD
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Boo Weekley said:

The article cites obesity and decrease in smoking as contributors, but there has to be more to it IMO.




So...get your kids outside and their first pack of Marlboros?
Pookers
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They know why its dropped and its by design. Its all the chemicals they put in the food and all the plastics that are used to store drinks/food. Its just another one of the multifaceted ways they are lowering our birth rates.
Kyle Field Shade Chaser
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Skinny jeans for men sent it downhill in a hurry
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Sarge 91
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I will take "Hormones in Consumable Livestock" for $1,000 ,Alex.
fixer
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Causes of this would be interesting to investigate... but I'm sure global warming will be goal-seeked as the root cause.

Oh and don't forget that showing interest in reversing this for men's health will have you labeled as a misogynist proud boy Jan 6th type.

Boo Weekley
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Sarge 91 said:

I will take "Hormones in Consumable Livestock" for $1,000 ,Alex.
So then liberal males should have higher testosterone rates? That's hard to believe.
Sarge 91
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Boo Weekley said:

Sarge 91 said:

I will take "Hormones in Consumable Livestock" for $1,000 ,Alex.
So then liberal males should have higher testosterone rates? That's hard to believe.
Vegetable diets are already known to increase estrogen. It's science.
GAC06
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Are you seriously trying to argue that high school football players were bigger in the 70's and 80's than now?
Rapier108
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I don't see how smoking less could be the cause given all the bad things that smoking does to the body.

That said, I'd say it has something to do with all of the crap we're consuming along with more and more kids are couch potatoes rather than going outside the playing all day long.

And get the damn soy out of everything.
Clob94
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GAC06 said:

Are you seriously trying to argue that high school football players were bigger in the 70's and 80's than now?


Ehhhh no. But training now is different.
GAC06
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Jerry Jones was a national champion offensive lineman in 1964. Don't see a lot of 220 lb guards these days
Burrus86
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Why is internet porn so popular then if testosterone levels are falling? Asking for a friend.
rgag12
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Gay porn?
Buying_time
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Considering the sampling was conducted in a blue area, the results are not surprising.
Boo Weekley
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Burrus86 said:

Why is internet porn so popular then if testosterone levels are falling? Asking for a friend.
It's a very lazy and timid approach to sex.
azul_rain
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more time efficient
Boo Weekley
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GAC06 said:

Jerry Jones was a national champion offensive lineman in 1964. Don't see a lot of 220 lb guards these days
Well weight training and diet is obviously WAY different. Men of the 1960's were also much larger than men of the 1920's, who were much larger than men of the civil war era.

Don't get hung up on their height/weight. I am talking more about hallmark features of men with high testosterone...older more mature appearance, lower body fat, higher shoulder to waist ratios, strong jaws, strong brows, beards/mustaches, body hair. Non-physical traits: assertiveness, more dominant, higher confidence levels, lower rates of depression and anxiety, mental sharpness etc. etc. But you can look at someone like Tom Selleck and know that he had high testosterone levels. You can look at someone like Michael Moore and tell that he almost certainly has waning levels.



This thread isn't about football players...the raw science clearly shows that testosterone rates have plummeted in the last 30-40 years. This impacts men. And men impact our country and how well it functions in the world.
Pooh-ah95_ESL
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Don't forget all of the birth control and hormones in the water supply, From a "Health to Power" article,

Contrary to popular belief, birth control pills account for less than 1 percent of the estrogens found in the nation's drinking water supply, at least according to this study. This report indicates that most of the estrogen enters drinking water supplies from other sources. The researchers could fairly easily figure this out because the estrogen found in birth control pills is a synthetic form of estrogen made in labs called EE2. Yet EE2 accounts for a very tiny amount of all of the estrogen in water. Other synthetic forms of estrogen (of which there are thousands) particularly those given to livestock to increase milk production and which runoff into the water supply via livestock manure are much more problematic.

In fact, livestock production appears to account for more than 90% of the estrogen found in the environment and in the water supply. The remaining 10% appear to come from industrial chemicals commonly used in manufacturing (like BPA) and synthetic estrogens in fertilizer spread over crops.


Lots of estrogen running around free out there. I believe I have heard that the fake beef may be surprisingly high in estrogen as well.
HollywoodBQ
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GAC06 said:

Are you seriously trying to argue that high school football players were bigger in the 70's and 80's than now?
No but... they chased more tail.
FrioAg 00
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We force masculinity out of boys from a young age now.

We have convinced girls to be "feminist" and marry /mate with less masculine young men.

It's a huge problem, and a global one.
Furious
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Rogan had a doc on there talking about this - phatlates in plastics could be a primary cause:



Aggrad08
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No new modern wokeness argument accounts for the fact the olds have the same reductions.

It's got to be dietary or environmental
Stat Monitor Repairman
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It's always been said that banning leaded gasoline had something to do with the high crime rate in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Now i'm thinking it is probably related to a decline in testosterone.
Year of the Germaphobe
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Not going to read the study, and getting ahold of a data set to do my own multiple regression is too time consuming; but it sure seems like college and high school athletes keep breaking records year after year...
Year of the Germaphobe
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

It's always been said that banning leaded gasoline had something to do with the high crime rate in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Now i'm thinking it is probably related to a decline in testosterone.


Actually the earth has tilted 2 degrees northward on its' axis exposing the continental United States to less sunlight meaning less vitamin d, meaning less nutrient absorption, meaning higher rates of depression and anxiety . This coupled with the change in tides due to subsequent gravitational alteration because of the angle of the moon has clearly caused a vitamin D deficiency, and subsequent crime increase.

I can make **** up too.

Edit: oh, and the axial shift is due to global warming, and Donald Trump.
GAC06
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

It's always been said that banning leaded gasoline had something to do with the high crime rate in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Now i'm thinking it is probably related to a decline in testosterone.


The argument is that getting rid of leaded gas led to the sharp decline in violent crime in the 90's

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadcrime_hypothesis#Research_on_leadcrime_correlation
Boo Weekley
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Dos Tasadores De TAMU said:

Not going to read the study, and getting ahold of a data set to do my own multiple regression is too time consuming; but it sure seems like college and high school athletes keep breaking records year after year...


More kids going into football, combined with vastly superior diet regimens and weight training programs. These athletes are outliers though...look around you and compare average young men of today to average young men of the 80's. That is all anecdotal though...the fact that you just blindly discount the actual studies is silly. This isn't a super complex study to conduct either.
Love Gun
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It's Obama and his band of misfits. I didn't have any problems leading young fire pissers to and through Iraq. It all went downhill after 2009.
AggieVictor10
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DrEvazanPhD said:

Boo Weekley said:

The article cites obesity and decrease in smoking as contributors, but there has to be more to it IMO.




So...get your kids outside and their first pack of Marlboros?
Yep!

Ags4DaWin
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sugar kills testpsterone levels.

the preservative we used to use in our foods was fat and salt.

faulty studies from the 60's linking fat and salt intake to heart disease saw the usda move us from fats and salts to sugars.

recent studies show that sugars are more damaging than fats to the heart and cardiovascular system.
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Sarge 91 said:

I will take "Hormones in Consumable Livestock" for $1,000 ,Alex.
For the daily double, I'll go with the transition to surface water and all the estrogen/progesterone in our effluent.

During droughts, most of the water flowing downstream of our mega cities is treated sewage.
Martin Cash
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Pookers said:

They know why its dropped and its by design. Its all the chemicals they put in the food and all the plastics that are used to store drinks/food. Its just another one of the multifaceted ways they are lowering our birth rates.
Twenty years ago they were telling us that growth hormones in meat products was making kids mature earlier, especially girls.
ChemEAg08
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"Toxic masculinity" males will procreate and raise their children as such. Beta, liberal men will likely have less kids. Darwinism will win out (as God intended).
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