Burrus86 said:

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Why is internet porn so popular then if testosterone levels are falling? Asking for a friend.

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Viewing porn causes a massive dopamine dump in your brain.

Ags4DaWin said:

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sugar kills testpsterone levels.

the preservative we used to use in our foods was fat and salt.

faulty studies from the 60's linking fat and salt intake to heart disease saw the usda move us from fats and salts to sugars.

recent studies show that sugars are more damaging than fats to the heart and cardiovascular system.

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Yep.

The amount of sugar in the american diet is unreal.

Look at people in Europe and Africa. They look like a totally different breed of humans compared with the average American. We simply weren't designed to consume this much sugar.

Think a lot has to do with the amount of this really strong pot being smoked. Some of these people smoke all day long, lose motivation, and eat like sh;t. Pot is proven to decrease testosterone levels if using in high amounts so I'm sure the effect is greater as the thc levels in weed increases over time. These kids would rather smoke on the couch than chase tail.

Personally, I blame Canada.

I read an article a few years ago discussing the growing presence of birth control hormones in the water supply as contributing the decline of testosterone in men. Not as a result of being added, but just that sewage treatment doesn't remove them from the water before it's put back into supply. I don't know if they were ever able to do wide scale studies, including other countries that don't have high rates of birth control usage in the population, but I'd be curious about that.

Have you consulted with Grapesoda on this matter?

Listen to this. Food chemicals are part of the cause.

Nitro Power said:

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Have you consulted with Grapesoda on this matter?

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No, he kinda proves my point, right?! The only issue he cares about is...

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Think a lot has to do with the amount of this really strong pot being smoked. Some of these people smoke all day long, lose motivation, and eat like sh;t. Pot is proven to decrease testosterone levels if using in high amounts so I'm sure the effect is greater as the thc levels in weed increases over time. These kids would rather smoke on the couch than chase tail.

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Everybody is chasing those same dopamine hits.

One way or the other,

Its the same dopamine hit.

Burrus86 said:

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Why is internet porn so popular then if testosterone levels are falling? Asking for a friend.

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Lol.
Beta man - porn
Real man - women

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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It's always been said that banning leaded gasoline had something to do with the high crime rate in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

Now i'm thinking it is probably related to a decline in testosterone.

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Now we're trying to ban gasoline altogether.

Lol! These threads are always the same. They are an opportunity for our more masculine testosterone loaded Texaggers to tell everyone how men have become less men, but they're just fine as still pumping away on hot chicks. Of course, these alpha studs seem to always be around. You have to wonder when they have the time to wrassle calves and bang hotties.

I'd venture to say we are dealing with much more pear shape and insulin resistance in these threads than we think.

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IMO, one of our major problems is that strong men in society seem to be fading away.

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See also why Trump was popular.

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They are becoming more passive in their households and refusing to take leadership responsibilities.

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So freaking true.
Passive = Lazy.

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We see a crazy amount of limp wristed white liberals taking up radical female causes and marching in pvssy hats and talking about the "war on women".

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Want to see a "War on Women"? Go to Honduras.

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If we're being honest, I think everyone can see that there is an outright assault on masculinity and men in general.

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Which is why it is important to grow a long beard, drive a big truck, drink micro brewery beer, get ink and piercings?

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I am not claiming this is some vast conspiracy, but at what point do we raise awareness and try to get back to setting men on the right track?

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Mad Max Scenario.

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This is actually pretty alarming to me. The article cites obesity and decrease in smoking as contributors, but there has to be more to it IMO.

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High fructose corn syrup and the decline of smoking has done this to us.

Personally I think it's way simpler than all of this stuff. I think it's the result of culture and How mates are picked. There was a time when Tom Selleck would be picked all day long over Michael Moore. Today, that's not the case. Males and females have become a bit more tolerant of non dominant traits, I think, and that results in weaker offspring. I also think the way people live have a lot to do with it. My 13 and 11 year old carry knives and won't think twice to cut open a wound on an animal to clean and dress it. They will load 1000 pound animals in a trailer and be inside with them and understand the risks. They were not coddled. We expect certain things of them based on what we know their capabilities are. They have peers that can barely tie their own shoes.

We also still support gender roles. My job is still to provide for my family as a dad. I handle all manner of repairs and fixes on our place. My wife still handles much of the animal care, housekeeping, and cooking. If an animal is sick beyond help, it's still my job to dispatch it, and sometimes my sons. We just kind of do what we need to do and not make a fuss over it.

The ONLY time we step out of traditional gender roles is when one of my kids says "it wasn't my job". When that happens, hellfire and brimstone will be rained down in the form of discipline. There is no job that is ever below any other member of the family. Ever.

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Rogan had a doc on there talking about this - phatlates in plastics could be a primary cause:

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The plastics we use even in bottled water and other bottles when they get off, leave residues behind that closely mimic estrogen and produce similar responses in the body.

I avoid bottled stuff whenever possible that is not glass for this reason.

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The ONLY time we step out of traditional gender roles is when one of my kids says "it wasn't my job". When that happens, hellfire and brimstone will be rained down in the form of discipline. There is no job that is ever below any other member of the family. Ever.

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I can't stop laughing and smiling at that.
OMG I love that so much.

When friends complain about having to personally:
-cut the grass
-clean the house
-do dishes
-wash the cars
I ask "Why are you doing that? You have teenagers."
When I receive the south Texas retar-ded stare in response I know that their kids rule the roost not vice versa.

Burrus86 said:

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Why is internet porn so popular then if testosterone levels are falling? Asking for a friend.

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Internet porn and excessive masterbation deplete testosterone levels.

For women, testoerone immediately increases after sex.

for guys testosterone decreases immediately after sex.

All the criticisms on diets on this thread are gronola far-left arguments for more regulation on big bad food corporations.

Where are people the healthiest? Is it in Blue States or Red States? Upper middle class white liberals are OBSESSED with health. Organic, natural, bunch of other BS. If diets were the thing causing low T, I don't think liberal are to blame.

Burrus86 said:

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Why is internet porn so popular then if testosterone levels are falling? Asking for a friend.

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Porn use is both a sign of low testosterone and a contributor to falling testosterone in the form of partnerless sex and overstimulated brain centers during ejaculation. Not much worse for the modern male than pornography use... that and plastics and the compounds used therein like BPA.

PascalsWager said:

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All the criticisms on diets on this thread are gronola far-left arguments for more regulation on big bad food corporations.

Where are people the healthiest? Is it in Blue States or Red States? Upper middle class white liberals are OBSESSED with health. Organic, natural, bunch of other BS. If diets were the thing causing low T, I don't think liberal are to blame.

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Exactly. This topic does not comport with the political bent of this board - at all. This audience wants to bend everything towards a liberalism bogeyman. However, in reality, it's out of control capitalism partly in the form of a poor regulatory environment that is the biggest contributor to environmentally-caused hormonal imbalances.

There was a study done in Italy that showed that the use of non-stick cookware, along with things like bottled water, etc. - that contained PFC's had a negative effect on both the size of a dude's schlong, as well as the quality of the semen.

Considering that nonstick cookware really came about in the 70's and 80's, you do the math.

Study

Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.

It's too late for me, guys. I already have eight kids.

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There was a study done in Italy that showed that the use of non-stick cookware, along with things like bottled water, etc. - that contained PFC's had a negative effect on both the size of a dude's schlong, as well as the quality of the semen.

Considering that nonstick cookware really came about in the 70's and 80's, you do the math.

Study

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Adding a note since I've studied this. Yes, it can impact ***** size and testicle size. HOWEVER, this is determined when the women are pregnant really. Therefore, if a woman is pregnant with a boy she needs to be much more guarded about environmental influences than she needs to be with a girl - and than she would have needed to be generations ago.

I'm 42 and recently got my test levels checked for the hell of it. Now I'm doing TRT and feel like a teenager again.

Got your mullet back bro?

Getting some facts straight....

Testosterone levels declined for males born from about 1970 to 1990. After about 1990, they have been stable. So they are not continuing to decline further.

Worth keeping in mind when assessing possible causes.

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Got your mullet back bro?

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The rib said no to a mullet and shaved steps.

This seemed like an appropriate thread to give an update (with photos) of what Ivanka is up to...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ivanka-trump-family-time-months-after-trump-administration

Sorry.....

TriAg2010 said:

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Getting some facts straight....

Testosterone levels declined for males born from about 1970 to 1990. After about 1990, they have been stable. So they are not continuing to decline further.

Worth keeping in mind when assessing possible causes.

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Apparently stable but still much lower than previous generations. Disturbing.

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fooz said:

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I'm 42 and recently got my test levels checked for the hell of it. Now I'm doing TRT and feel like a teenager again.

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Don't need TRT. Eat meat, lift weights, exercise a lot and do your wife. Problem solved. Lifestyle, lack of exercise and poor diet are the biggest contributors to low T.

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I did all that with no problem before trt. Honestly just wanted legal roids and regular bloodwork, and doc made the numbers work.

PascalsWager said:

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All the criticisms on diets on this thread are gronola far-left arguments for more regulation on big bad food corporations.

Where are people the healthiest? Is it in Blue States or Red States? Upper middle class white liberals are OBSESSED with health. Organic, natural, bunch of other BS. If diets were the thing causing low T, I don't think liberal are to blame.

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Someone mentioned it but plastics probably have a big impact. Diet is obviously affecting it. Obesity (which correlated with low testosterone) is a major problem in this country and one that the government refuses to address. Another one is the sedentary lifestyle of most men. Sit at a chair staring at a screen all day then go home and watch "the game" and have some brew dogs. Beer consumption is not good for testosterone levels. The porn thing is kind of unproven (since no one wants to do studies on it). We know that it creates a dopamine dump so who knows what other hormonal effects it causes. Jerking off however has been shown to lower testosterone. The causes are multiple and definitely not the fault of "the left"

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Are you seriously trying to argue that high school football players were bigger in the 70's and 80's than now?

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No they had more testosterone