EwingBarnes said:

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BigFred said:

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He killed a mentally ill homeless person. Yay!!

Its an ever increasing population. Training, training, training...

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Ahhh anoither ****ing backseat driver knowing how it should be done. Good riddance.

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Big Fred is almost SP level bad, as far as idiotic posts.

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ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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How can a person truly think this way?

This is not a sustainable way of policing and I would question the sanity of anyone who thinks it is.

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If you think shooting a driver that brakes and attempts to drive around a police car at a few mph is okay, then you and I have a fundamental disagreement on not only the rule of law, but right and wrong.

ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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Dang, the female cop in that other video you posted is....attractive.

ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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Yes she retreated. What do you think would have happened if she had tripped while backpedaling?

She's lucky that didn't happen because he could have easily closed the distance and stabbed her then.

ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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No. You drive your vehicle between a road block and at a standing cop, you're going to be shot.

Agthatbuilds said:

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ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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No. You drive your vehicle between a road block and at a standing cop, you're going to be shot.

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At that point, the car is essentially a deadly weapon.

ALL IN 2013 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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How can a person truly think this way?

This is not a sustainable way of policing and I would question the sanity of anyone who thinks it is.

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If you think shooting a driver that brakes and attempts to drive around a police car at a few mph is okay, then you and I have a fundamental disagreement on not only the rule of law, but right and wrong.

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I guess getting run over by a car doing "a few mph" is no big threat to your life. Maybe that's the part I don't understand.

We literally have laws against injuring or killing someone in the act of committing a crime (evading arrest) for this very reason. FYI, intentionally hitting someone with a car is assault with a deadly weapon.

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This one might be a little problematic for the officer I think.

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I see zero wrong with what the officer did. He yelled three times to drop the knife while pointing a gun at him. I'm sorry but you can't pull a weapon on a cop and expect him to just "retreat" and leave you alone.

Raise your kids to respect and follow the orders of a police officer people. This will continue to happen as people have less and less respect for the authority of police officers

Agthatbuilds said:

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ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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No. You drive your vehicle between a road block and at a standing cop, you're going to be shot.

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It's amazing to me that someone can watch that video and claim that he tried to run over the officer. The officer ran around the back of his car which would have been blind to the driver and shot the driver as he was passing him. It's clear cut and the cop is charged with manslaughter. You can't jump in front of a car and then shoot the driver for "trying to run you over." Play stupid games win stupid prizes goes both ways. That cop can think about how much of a badass Rambo he is while he rots in a jail cell.

Also considering the fact he hit the brakes when he saw the officer your claim about him trying to run over the cop won't go over well in court. Anybody defending that shooting is sick in the head.

Not to mention there is another officer in the direct line of fire. Bad all the way around.

Edit: meant to reply to cevans post

ALL IN 2013 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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No. You drive your vehicle between a road block and at a standing cop, you're going to be shot.

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It's amazing to me that someone can watch that video and claim that he tried to run over the officer. The officer ran around the back of his car which would have been blind to the driver and shot the driver as he was passing him. It's clear cut and the cop is charged with manslaughter. You can't jump in front of a car and then shoot the driver for "trying to run you over." Play stupid games win stupid prizes goes both ways. That cop can think about how much of a badass Rambo he is while he rots in a jail cell.

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I vehemently disagree with you. Thanks for the insult too.

First of all, context on that shooting is not there. Was this a long standing police chase? What were to characteristics of the police chases? Why was there a police chase? Did they know what the perp was being chased for?

Secondly, the driver is actively going through a road block. Shouldnt be surprising when a policeman jumps out.

Thirdly, the car is very much a deadly weapon. Hitting the brakes doesnt mean much, unless he's stopping the car - Which he didnt do.

There might be dept policies about shooting into vehicles. If the cop went against his training, have at him. However, Monday morning qbing this about tapping the breaks is looking for a reason to blame the cop. A car going five mph which the floors the accelerator wins every time when hitting a person. It's science.

At what point would you assign any blame for the situation to the suspect. After he led a police chase? After he goes through a road block? After he hits a cop? When?

BigFred said:

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He killed a mentally ill homeless person. Yay!!

Its an ever increasing population. Training, training, training...

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Agthatbuilds said:

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ALL IN 2013 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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ALL IN 2013 said:

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Here is the link to the video of the shooting he is being charged for from a few years ago.


Both look like bad shoots to me. I don't think charges should be brought in the more recent shooting but he should be fired. He did nothing to deescalate or even attempt to deescalate the situation. Here is a video of a tremendous officer. Compare this to the officer in the OP. She went above and beyond but the officer in the OP didn't even attempt to show restraint or retreat to a safe distance.

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No. You drive your vehicle between a road block and at a standing cop, you're going to be shot.

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It's amazing to me that someone can watch that video and claim that he tried to run over the officer. The officer ran around the back of his car which would have been blind to the driver and shot the driver as he was passing him. It's clear cut and the cop is charged with manslaughter. You can't jump in front of a car and then shoot the driver for "trying to run you over." Play stupid games win stupid prizes goes both ways. That cop can think about how much of a badass Rambo he is while he rots in a jail cell.

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I vehemently disagree with you. Thanks for the insult too.

First of all, context on that shooting is not there. Was this a long standing police chase? What were to characteristics of the police chases? Why was there a police chase? Did they know what the perp was being chased for?

Secondly, the driver is actively going through a road block. Shouldnt be surprising when a policeman jumps out.

Thirdly, the car is very much a deadly weapon. Hitting the brakes doesnt mean much, unless he's stopping the car - Which he didnt do.

There might be dept policies about shooting into vehicles. If the cop went against his training, have at him. However, Monday morning qbing this about tapping the breaks is looking for a reason to blame the cop. A car going five mph which the floors the accelerator wins every time when hitting a person. It's science.

At what point would you assign any blame for the situation to the suspect. After he led a police chase? After he goes through a road block? After he hits a cop? When?

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What insult?

There is more evidence in that tape that he tried to avoid the officer rather than run him over, and zero evidence that he tried to run him over. It is also not acceptable to shoot with another officer in the direct line of fire. A prosecutor will say that is evidence of rage.

What blame do you want me to assign to the driver? Is he an idiot? Yes. Was he breaking the law? Yes. Did he deserve a death sentence by a one man judge and jury? Absolutely not. Am I going to cry that he was stupid and got shot? Not one tear. But I would vote guilty if I was on the jury for that officer in his upcoming trial based on all the evidence I've seen.

This happened in my hometown. Cop has a bad reputation. He's going to prison.

aginlakeway said:

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BigFred said:

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He killed a mentally ill homeless person. Yay!!

Its an ever increasing population. Training, training, training...

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Perhaps the phrase should be "Say her criminal intentions".

bayareaag17 said:

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This happened in my hometown. Cop has a bad reputation. He's going to prison.

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User name checks out.

Love Gun said:

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bayareaag17 said:

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This happened in my hometown. Cop has a bad reputation. He's going to prison.

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User name checks out.

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Yup. Luckily I don't live in California anymore but I've been keeping up with this case. Hard to believe my sleepy little hometown is making national news to be honest.

Onceaggie2.0 said:

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Pulling a knife on a cop is not a good idea..how did he think that would end?

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27 million dollars, a nationally televised funeral, and an autonomous zone in his honor.

I don't see anything wrong with the incident. He didn't comply with officer commands. He told the cop "touch me and see what's up". He took a step toward the cop with a knife in his hand, after being told to drop the knife and responding with a firm "no". As soon as he took the shot, he called it in and started trying to help the thug that he shot.

Brought a knife to a gunfight

Damn nice kill!

Don't know if anyone has posted this, but here's the study on how quickly knife attackers close the distance.

If you're mentally fit enough to brandish a knife, say things like "touch me and see what's up" and "kill me" as you aggressively move towards an officer...

Then you are for enough to be accountable for your awful decisions.

This officer should be given an award for textbook good policing, just like the one what shot the attempted murderer.

Disgruntled Pelican said:

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Onceaggie2.0 said:

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Pulling a knife on a cop is not a good idea..how did he think that would end?

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27 million dollars, a nationally televised funeral, and an autonomous zone in his honor.

I don't see anything wrong with the incident. He didn't comply with officer commands. He told the cop "touch me and see what's up". He took a step toward the cop with a knife in his hand, after being told to drop the knife and responding with a firm "no". As soon as he took the shot, he called it in and started trying to help the thug that he shot.

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He took two steps and had his knee raised to take the third when the officer fired. It's not clear on his BWC video but the other view clearly shows the suspect is advancing.

Loved seeing Officer Hightower in the first scenario.

This is the kind of stuff they should air on the news when discussing these incidents. Might help to educate the public. At least those who are willing to listen.

Fightin TX Aggie said:

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Don't know if anyone has posted this, but here's the study on how quickly knife attackers close the distance.

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Dan Insanto is probably one of the most skilled people alive with a knife...even at 84 he would be deadly within 4-5 feet of an armed (gun) opponent.

I'm skeptical of the effectiveness of a lot of martial arts, but Kali / Escrima is no joke when the practitioner has a knife (knives).

Also check stuff out Zach Whitson...I hope that dude never decides to go postal with a blade.

Just a coincidence?