From https://reason.com/volokh/2020/11/12/pennsylvania-court-orders-that-certain-ballots-may-not-legally-be-counted/

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Here is the explanation from Ronn Blitzer (Fox News):;

A Pennsylvania judge ruled in favor of the Trump campaign Thursday, ordering that the state may not count ballots where the voters needed to provide proof of identification and failed to do so by Nov. 9.

State law said that voters have until six days after the electionthis year that was Nov. 9to cure problems regarding a lack of proof of identification. After the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballots could be accepted three days after Election Day, Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar submitted guidance that said proof of identification could be provided up until Nov. 12, which is six days from the ballot acceptance deadline. That guidance was issued two days before Election Day.

[The court's decision] was in line with the Trump campaign's argument, which was that there was no basis in the state's law to extend the identification deadline, and that Boockvar did not have the power to unilaterally change it.

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So it does appear that voters in Pennsylvania who mail in their ballots actually did have until six days after the election to cure some problems -- those involving the lack of a proof of identification -- but apparently not others such as placing the ballot in a privacy sleeve.

Bottom line... Per PA Constitutional election law, after they have arrived NO ONE is allowed access to the MIB/Absentee ballots for any reason until 7am on election day. The information in the affidavit proves that someone (apparently DNC) had access to the ballots, reviewed them and contacted individuals to correct issues that would have otherwise invalidated them. Even if they did not open the envelopes, these actions were illegal and should invalidate all MIB/Absentee ballots at that counting center because there is no way to know exactly what was done. If they cannot prove which center this occurred at, then ALL MIB/Absentee ballots should be invalidated.

eric76 said:

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From https://reason.com/volokh/2020/11/12/pennsylvania-court-orders-that-certain-ballots-may-not-legally-be-counted/

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Here is the explanation from Ronn Blitzer (Fox News):;

A Pennsylvania judge ruled in favor of the Trump campaign Thursday, ordering that the state may not count ballots where the voters needed to provide proof of identification and failed to do so by Nov. 9.

State law said that voters have until six days after the electionthis year that was Nov. 9to cure problems regarding a lack of proof of identification. After the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballots could be accepted three days after Election Day, Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar submitted guidance that said proof of identification could be provided up until Nov. 12, which is six days from the ballot acceptance deadline. That guidance was issued two days before Election Day.

[The court's decision] was in line with the Trump campaign's argument, which was that there was no basis in the state's law to extend the identification deadline, and that Boockvar did not have the power to unilaterally change it.

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So it does appear that voters in Pennsylvania who mail in their ballots actually did have until six days after the election to cure some problems -- those involving the lack of a proof of identification -- but apparently not others such as placing the ballot in a privacy sleeve.

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Or to cure an incomplete ballot, such as a missing address. The only reason for curing was the opportunity to properly identify yourself.

It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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What about the disenfranchised if illegal votes and voter fraud goes unchecked?

SMOKEDRAW01...

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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It's not a technicality. Massive fraud was committed. The question is, can they prove it in time.

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

By go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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So if a majority of folks simply desired Biden to win, but didn't vote , Biden should be prez by your logic. That's interesting. Dumb, but interesting. There are laws. Not voting at all is no more important a law that would be broken than screwing up your mail in ballot and having them cure it, in violation of law.

How do you know PA didn't toss the Trump ballots and not cure them. So Trump voters were not treated equally. There is this little thing called the 14th amendment.

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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We're not banking on technicalities. We're banking on widespread voter fraud that disenfranchises all legal votes.

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

"overwhelming will of the people?" You believed the phony polls?

Did a new Act Blue talking point go out?

eric76 said:

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Ulrich said:

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1. To "cure" ballots, the ballots had to be examined.

2. To examine the ballots, the envelopes had to be opened.

3. This occurred prior to election day, so observers were not present.

4. How many ballots were opened, inspected, and then "lost in the mail" or altered?

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That doesn't appear to be the case unless the term "ballot" includes the envelope it is in.

"Curing the ballot" seems to refer to things like making sure that the form accompanying the security envelope is properly signed.

They could probably check the envelopes and the forms without opening the privacy sleeve containing the ballot.

That said, what was important is that they shouldn't have been doing that even if they never laid eyes on the ballot itself.

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So how did they know which ballots for biden needed to be "cured" without examining the ballot itself?

Laws matter bro

rab79 said:

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eric76 said:

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Ulrich said:

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1. To "cure" ballots, the ballots had to be examined.

2. To examine the ballots, the envelopes had to be opened.

3. This occurred prior to election day, so observers were not present.

4. How many ballots were opened, inspected, and then "lost in the mail" or altered?

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That doesn't appear to be the case unless the term "ballot" includes the envelope it is in.

"Curing the ballot" seems to refer to things like making sure that the form accompanying the security envelope is properly signed.

They could probably check the envelopes and the forms without opening the privacy sleeve containing the ballot.

That said, what was important is that they shouldn't have been doing that even if they never laid eyes on the ballot itself.

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So how did they know which ballots for biden needed to be "cured" without examining the ballot itself?

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Compare names to voter registration list. Assume all registered Dems voted for Biden. Wouldn't be 100% accurate, but probably 90%

Technicalities? You mean Pennsylvania election law. Election officials in PA broke their own laws, enacted specifically to control what officials can legally do with ballots to count votes. They disenfranchised their own voters. Heap your scorn on them.

It has nothing to do with disenfranchising these voters. It is about following the law, which was clearly not followed, and even more importantly the reason for the law maintaining the integrity of the election process. Under the cover of good intentions, the election officials egregiously conspired with the Democratic party to break the integrity of the election process. We have no way of knowing what was done during their review process. We do know that they afforded some voters opportunities that were not afforded to other voters.

If an illegal vote cancels out a legal vote, isn't the person who cast the legal vote, by definition, disenfranchised?

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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Cut the BS. All anyone here wants is a fair election where the laws and Constitution are followed, legal votes counted, and fraudulent ones thrown out.

If reports are true, Dominion isn't a technicality. It was a blatant attempt to steal an election. All we want is for it to be investigated, and recounts/audits to either truthfully confirm or disprove the stated results of the election.

G Martin 87 said:

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Technicalities? You mean Pennsylvania election law. Election officials in PA broke their own laws, enacted specifically to control what officials can legally do with ballots to count votes. They disenfranchised their own voters. Heap your scorn on them.

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Yep

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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We want people to vote!! Show up, in person, with an ID and vote!! Then we can truly know the will of the people without all the confusion

Yet they can violate our constitutional rights?

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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Have you not seen a single headline or watched a single news broadcast for the last year? The only "cult of personality" is the one the MSM is trying (and failing) to create for your guy Joe.

Projection. They just can't help themselves.

Another story here is the general MSM suppression. This big gain isn't really being given much attention. msn.com didn't have it earlier.

TexAgs is now a better source aggregator of anything happening. Its ridiculous.

chjoak said:

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Bottom line... Per PA Constitutional election law, after they have arrived NO ONE is allowed access to the MIB/Absentee ballots for any reason until 7am on election day. The information in the affidavit proves that someone (apparently DNC) had access to the ballots, reviewed them and contacted individuals to correct issues that would have otherwise invalidated them. Even if they did not open the envelopes, these actions were illegal and should invalidate all MIB/Absentee ballots at that counting center because there is no way to know exactly what was done. If they cannot prove which center this occurred at, then ALL MIB/Absentee ballots should be invalidated.

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Why do you assume that the DNC was granted any access to the ballots? Do you always assume the least likely scenario is what must have happened?

If a voter came in to legally cure the ballot and examined it to see that it had not been tampered with, why would the ballot be discarded? After all, the voter was relying on the authority of the election staff to do their job properly. It was not his fault that the election workers opened the ballot boxes a day or two early to look for curable errors.

From what I read, but no longer have the link for, some counties have been checking the ballots for curable errors a couple of days early for years and nobody ever told them that they couldn't do it. There was certainly a screwup somewhere up in the organization for this to have happened for years.

Federale01 said:

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It's so sad to see so many people hope and pray technicalities overturn the overwhelming will of the American people. Look at you all. Hoping PA voters get disenfranchised, "then on to the next one," praying the same thing happens in GA and Arizona, all just to have your guy stay in power. This has nothing to do with a desire for a free and fair election. It has everything to do with trying to legitimize minority rule because you have gotten so swept up in a cult of personality. It's shameful we are in the place as Americans.

But go ahead and keep desperately following obscure Twitter legal minds which tell you this matters, the truth will be more painful in the end when it comes.

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Every illegal vote disenfranchises a legal one. I would hope we ALL want legal votes and a fair, reliable count of them. It's not a technicality if they blatantly ignored a process designed to ensure votes are legitimate. We have no idea what might have been tossed, changed, or one side allowed to cure while the other wasn't

rab79 said:

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eric76 said:

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Ulrich said:

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1. To "cure" ballots, the ballots had to be examined.

2. To examine the ballots, the envelopes had to be opened.

3. This occurred prior to election day, so observers were not present.

4. How many ballots were opened, inspected, and then "lost in the mail" or altered?

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That doesn't appear to be the case unless the term "ballot" includes the envelope it is in.

"Curing the ballot" seems to refer to things like making sure that the form accompanying the security envelope is properly signed.

They could probably check the envelopes and the forms without opening the privacy sleeve containing the ballot.

That said, what was important is that they shouldn't have been doing that even if they never laid eyes on the ballot itself.

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So how did they know which ballots for biden needed to be "cured" without examining the ballot itself?

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They presumably wouldn't have to look at the actual ballots at all in order to see something that needed to be cured.

titan said:

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Another story here is the general MSM suppression. This big gain isn't really being given much attention. msn.com didn't have it earlier.

TexAgs is now a better source aggregator of anything happening. Its ridiculous.

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Google News headline right now:

Have you seen the popular vote count? Biden flipped 5 states from Trump. Yeah, overwhelming. It's no Reagan 84, but it's a definite win.

None of y'all cared about the razor thin margins in PA and MI in 2016. And no Dems were pulling this crap.

It's funny how legal votes are for your guy and illegal votes are for the other guy. PA officials are so good at throwing elections, they just forget to do it in 2016.

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eric76 said:

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From https://reason.com/volokh/2020/11/12/pennsylvania-court-orders-that-certain-ballots-may-not-legally-be-counted/

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Here is the explanation from Ronn Blitzer (Fox News):;

A Pennsylvania judge ruled in favor of the Trump campaign Thursday, ordering that the state may not count ballots where the voters needed to provide proof of identification and failed to do so by Nov. 9.

State law said that voters have until six days after the electionthis year that was Nov. 9to cure problems regarding a lack of proof of identification. After the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballots could be accepted three days after Election Day, Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar submitted guidance that said proof of identification could be provided up until Nov. 12, which is six days from the ballot acceptance deadline. That guidance was issued two days before Election Day.

[The court's decision] was in line with the Trump campaign's argument, which was that there was no basis in the state's law to extend the identification deadline, and that Boockvar did not have the power to unilaterally change it.

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So it does appear that voters in Pennsylvania who mail in their ballots actually did have until six days after the election to cure some problems -- those involving the lack of a proof of identification -- but apparently not others such as placing the ballot in a privacy sleeve.

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Or to cure an incomplete ballot, such as a missing address. The only reason for curing was the opportunity to properly identify yourself.

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Wouldn't a proper address be considered part of a correct identification of oneself?

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They presumably wouldn't have to look at the actual ballots at all in order to see something that needed to be cured.

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Under law, they weren't supposed to look at all. Period.

But laws are just for us little people, right.

eric76 said:

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chjoak said:

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Bottom line... Per PA Constitutional election law, after they have arrived NO ONE is allowed access to the MIB/Absentee ballots for any reason until 7am on election day. The information in the affidavit proves that someone (apparently DNC) had access to the ballots, reviewed them and contacted individuals to correct issues that would have otherwise invalidated them. Even if they did not open the envelopes, these actions were illegal and should invalidate all MIB/Absentee ballots at that counting center because there is no way to know exactly what was done. If they cannot prove which center this occurred at, then ALL MIB/Absentee ballots should be invalidated.

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Why do you assume that the DNC was granted any access to the ballots? Do you always assume the least likely scenario is what must have happened?

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They didn't have to be granted access to ballots, but they were damn sure granted access to names on ballots. There was an affidavit filed by the Democrats today that testified that they were contacted by the PA State DNC to come in and correct their mail-in ballot due to the voter not properly filling out the envelope, therefore making their ballot invalid. THE DNC CALLED THE VOTER. HOW DID THEY KNOW TO CONTACT THE VOTER TO CURE AN INVALID MAIL-IN BALLOT?

eric76 said:

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but no longer have the link for, some counties have been checking the ballots for curable errors a couple of days early for years and nobody ever told them that they couldn't do it. There was certainly a screwup somewhere up in the organization for this to have happened for years.

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Federale01 said:

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It's funny how legal votes are for your guy and illegal votes are for the other guy. PA officials are so good at throwing elections, they just forget to do it in 2016.

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It's funny how you make up strawman bull**** that I never posted. Throw out all illegal votes

The post by the libs like Federale01 is all you need to see to know they don't give a flying damn about law. Not a single damn. They decide what THEY think is right and to hell with the law. It's exactly what Obama did with immigration law and exactly what Biden and Harris will do if allowed to steal this election.

Those people do not deserve to have any power whatsoever.

Its downright scary.

They didn't think they needed to do it in 2016. How obtuse can one be

Absentee/mail-in ballots have been around forever. Some states out west have been using them as their primary voting method for years. What made them unacceptable in 2020? Gee, can't think of it.