*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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Dr. Shiva to hold open forum tomorrow regarding Maricopa County.

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Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, MIT PhD, the Inventor of Email, who was commissioned by the Arizona State Senate, will be holding an OPEN FORUM on October 14, Thursday, to motivate open dialog among the public, press and Maricopa Election Officials to address the anomalies discovered by the EchoMail audit of Early Voting Ballot Return Envelope Images.

On September 24, 2021, Dr. Shiva submitted his 99-page audit report and gave a presentation to the Arizona State Senate. The report, presentation as well as other documents can be found here: ttps://vashiva.com/dr-shiva-delivers-groundbreaking-audit-report-to-arizona-senate

Since that report, the media has been spreading misinformation and disinformation to avoid the central issues uncovered by Dr. Shiva's audit. The Maricopa Election Officials are invited to this dialog. Using behind media proxies to avoid discussion is not productive for the public to understand the substantive issues. Dr.SHIVA encourages the Press, the Public and the Maricopa Election Officials to attend so we can advance election systems integrity.

The OPEN FORUM will be live on Dr. Shiva's Facebook and Youtube.

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Would be shocked if any Maricopa County BOE participate.
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Is there any case out there that might save our country by disallowing this obvious fraud in 2022, or is the deep state in complete control?
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**** our judicial system.
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Stacey Abrams can create a non-profit specifically for litigation and can have standing but Favorito's longstanding organization doesn't?

What a farce.
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Mrs. hawg

Have you watched the HBO doc "Kill Chain"? I fired it up again for laughs.

Everything which is being labeled "tin-foil conspiracy" or "Q nut job conspiracy" by today's left is EXACTLY what they were saying in 2016.

So, to tie this back to this thread, no, nothing is going to change. These gaping holes existing last cycle, they existed the cycle before, and will exist in 2022 and 2024
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philly voter fraud indictments

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/10/13/marie-beren-voter-fraud-mark-squilla/

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The government claims that the consultant in question directed Beren to add fraudulent votes to candidates supported by the consultant. In some cases, the candidates were clients of the consultant. Prosecutors say that these fraudulent votes were cast for candidates at every level of government, from municipal to state to federal.

When Election Day came around, the consultant would drive Beren to the polling place in the morning, giving her instructions along the way. According to the feds, Beren perpetuated the voter fraud in a variety of ways. She would allegedly advise in-person voters how to vote, a violation of election law. She allegedly cast fraudulent votes herself in place of voters she knew wouldn't be coming to the polls. (The government doesn't make clear how she knew they wouldn't show up.) The government also alleges that she would encourage and permit in-person voters to vote on behalf of absent family members, "steering" those voters in support of the consultant's candidates of choice.
Beren and others, who are unnamed in the criminal complaint, falsified the "voting book" for the day, writing down names of voters who didn't actually show up so that the count would all make sense at the end of the day.

Prosecutors haven't specified exactly how many fraudulent votes Beren allegedly cast or caused to be cast or whether these votes had any impact on the results of an election.
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That's the one with Harri Hursti, right? I've seen part of it. I don't get HBO anymore as i refuse to pay for it.
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WTF are we hearing about this person being indicted in the news instead of the investigators holding her feet to the fire and running up the chain of fraud to charge the higher ups organizing it. Seems like every fraud case is some small time local that's just an expendable fall guy doing the dirty work. Sure would be nice if the FBI, FEC, or State level investigative agencies showed any interest at all in curbing voter fraud.
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aggieforester05 said:

WTF are we hearing about this person being indicted in the news instead of the investigators holding her feet to the fire and running up the chain of fraud to charge the higher ups organizing it. Seems like every fraud case is some small time local that's just an expendable fall guy doing the dirty work. Sure would be nice if the FBI, FEC, or State level investigative agencies showed any interest at all in curbing voter fraud.
They still haven't deposed Ruby Freeman or Shaye Moss yet...who were caught ON CAMERA pulling boxes of ballots out from underneath a table minutes after ushering out poll observers and running them multiple times through machines all night. They were subpoenaed back in JUNE.

Im sure they'll get right to it.
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BadMoonRisin said:

aggieforester05 said:

WTF are we hearing about this person being indicted in the news instead of the investigators holding her feet to the fire and running up the chain of fraud to charge the higher ups organizing it. Seems like every fraud case is some small time local that's just an expendable fall guy doing the dirty work. Sure would be nice if the FBI, FEC, or State level investigative agencies showed any interest at all in curbing voter fraud.
They still haven't deposed Ruby Freeman or Shaye Moss yet...who were caught ON CAMERA pulling boxes of ballots out from underneath a table minutes after ushering out poll observers and running them multiple times through machines all night.

Im sure they'll get right to it.
No they won't. That's the case that Amero dismissed. No more depositions nor discovery.
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aggiehawg said:

BadMoonRisin said:

aggieforester05 said:

WTF are we hearing about this person being indicted in the news instead of the investigators holding her feet to the fire and running up the chain of fraud to charge the higher ups organizing it. Seems like every fraud case is some small time local that's just an expendable fall guy doing the dirty work. Sure would be nice if the FBI, FEC, or State level investigative agencies showed any interest at all in curbing voter fraud.
They still haven't deposed Ruby Freeman or Shaye Moss yet...who were caught ON CAMERA pulling boxes of ballots out from underneath a table minutes after ushering out poll observers and running them multiple times through machines all night.

Im sure they'll get right to it.
No they won't. That's the case that Amero dismissed. No more depositions nor discovery.
Just today or was that earlier and I missed it. Jesus, what a ridiculous country we live in.
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BadMoonRisin said:

aggiehawg said:

BadMoonRisin said:

aggieforester05 said:

WTF are we hearing about this person being indicted in the news instead of the investigators holding her feet to the fire and running up the chain of fraud to charge the higher ups organizing it. Seems like every fraud case is some small time local that's just an expendable fall guy doing the dirty work. Sure would be nice if the FBI, FEC, or State level investigative agencies showed any interest at all in curbing voter fraud.
They still haven't deposed Ruby Freeman or Shaye Moss yet...who were caught ON CAMERA pulling boxes of ballots out from underneath a table minutes after ushering out poll observers and running them multiple times through machines all night.

Im sure they'll get right to it.
No they won't. That's the case that Amero dismissed. No more depositions nor discovery.
Just today or was that earlier and I missed it. Jesus, what a ridiculous country we live in.
Just today.
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aggiehawg said:

BadMoonRisin said:

aggiehawg said:

BadMoonRisin said:

aggieforester05 said:

WTF are we hearing about this person being indicted in the news instead of the investigators holding her feet to the fire and running up the chain of fraud to charge the higher ups organizing it. Seems like every fraud case is some small time local that's just an expendable fall guy doing the dirty work. Sure would be nice if the FBI, FEC, or State level investigative agencies showed any interest at all in curbing voter fraud.
They still haven't deposed Ruby Freeman or Shaye Moss yet...who were caught ON CAMERA pulling boxes of ballots out from underneath a table minutes after ushering out poll observers and running them multiple times through machines all night.

Im sure they'll get right to it.
No they won't. That's the case that Amero dismissed. No more depositions nor discovery.
Just today or was that earlier and I missed it. Jesus, what a ridiculous country we live in.
Just today.


Well DARN!
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Woah. Profanity censor...

IT GONE!
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will25u said:

Woah. Profanity censor...

IT GONE!
I've been on other sites today where posters cuss routinely So I didn't even notice that.
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Circumventing the filter is gonna get yourself a ban.
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Keegan99 said:

Circumventing the filter is gonna get yourself a ban.


Just proof that FJB can now be spelled out here.
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https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/mark-zuckerberg-spent-419m-on-nonprofits-ahead-of-2020-election-and-got-out-the-dem-vote/
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Rapier108 said:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/mark-zuckerberg-spent-419m-on-nonprofits-ahead-of-2020-election-and-got-out-the-dem-vote/

Oh good. They're covering it now. Two weeks shy of a year later. And spinning it as "get out the vote" effort instead of a ballot stuffing operation.
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hawg,

This case in Fulton County that was just dismissed has been going on for almost a year. All of Amaro's other rulings never said anything about standing, just this one. If standing was the issue for the case being tossed, why play around with it for a year? It seems like this thing was making its way through until July and then its delay, delay, delay, dismiss.
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BadMoonRisin said:

hawg,

This case in Fulton County that was just dismissed has been going on for almost a year. All of Amaro's other rulings never said anything about standing, just this one. If standing was the issue for the case being tossed, why play around with it for a year? It seems like this thing was making its way through until July and then its delay, delay, delay, dismiss.
My guess is to punish Favorito. Racking up legal fees for a year just to have the case thrown out is pretty punitive.
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BadMoonRisin said:

hawg,

This case in Fulton County that was just dismissed has been going on for almost a year. All of Amaro's other rulings never said anything about standing, just this one. If standing was the issue for the case being tossed, why play around with it for a year? It seems like this thing was making its way through until July and then its delay, delay, delay, dismiss.
Like all things election related, these cases had a torturous path. Originally filed in Fulton County, the court there deemed it an "election contest" under Georgia law. That finding triggered a change in venue to another county, Henry County, and thus Judge Amero.

Then there was an objection to whether the case had named the correct parties as defendants. So Judge substituted some defendants (from individuals to agencies and vice versa) That order triggered new service of process duties and new time periods for the defendants to file an answer. Delay, delay, delay before discovery could commence.

But Amero did order the production of low resolution images of ballots, in particular 147,000 mail in votes in Fulton County. That happened and Favorito's group went to work analyzing those. They then went back to court with their findings (appearing to have a high duplication rate of the same ballot being counted twice in different batches maybe as high 20%) and requested higher resolution images of the same ballots but now they wanted images of the envelopes as well. Favorito's experts were quite credible and very professional and had credentials out of the wazoo and Amero was convinced.

He ordered the higher resolution scans and even discussed if the court could procure the scanners to help get that done. He ordered the same for the ballot envelopes with restrictions on the side of the envelope containing the voter's signature. Those were not allowed. That was his ruling from the bench but before or just after he entered the written order, there was a flurry of motions to dismiss, more claims of the wrong parties being defendants, etc.

At the same time, one of Favorito's co-Plaintiffs subpoenaed Ruby Freeman, her daughter and Ralph Jones for depositions, among others. Defendants then moved for a protective order to stop all discovery while the MTDs and other motions were being heard. Amero ordered the stay. No depositions, no higher resolution scans, nothing.

Arguments and briefs were submitted and a hearing held. Yesterday he found in favor of the defendants and ordered the dismissal.

Standing issues are different than jurisdictional issues with the latter being waived without a prompt and timely objection. But standing issues also involved the particular relationships between the Plaintiffs and the exact defendants. When the defendants kept being shuffled around between individuals and then those same people in their official capacities, those relationships between the Plaintiffs and the Defendants got blurred. Was there a harm to Plaintiffs caused by the defendants then named?

I think his decision (several of them, in fact) were in error with the dismissal being contrived by the judge's own actions. In short, he screwed up the case procedurally and basically threw up his hands in granting the dismissal instead of trying to fix the mistakes so the case could proceed.

My .02. And yes I am extremely disappointed in Amero. From the hearings I watched he appeared to be contemplative and involved judge, querying the party's attorneys with his own questions and observations. But then it went off of the rails when certain attorneys were removed from the case and private attorneys (criminal attorneys at that) were substituted. That was occasioned by the flip of defendants being named in their individual capacity versus their official capacity.
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aggiehawg said:

BadMoonRisin said:

hawg,

This case in Fulton County that was just dismissed has been going on for almost a year. All of Amaro's other rulings never said anything about standing, just this one. If standing was the issue for the case being tossed, why play around with it for a year? It seems like this thing was making its way through until July and then its delay, delay, delay, dismiss.
Like all things election related, these cases had a torturous path. Originally filed in Fulton County, the court there deemed it an "election contest" under Georgia law. That finding triggered a change in venue to another county, Henry County, and thus Judge Amero.

Then there was an objection to whether the case had named the correct parties as defendants. So Judge substituted some defendants (from individuals to agencies and vice versa) That order triggered new service of process duties and new time periods for the defendants to file an answer. Delay, delay, delay before discovery could commence.

But Amero did order the production of low resolution images of ballots, in particular 147,000 mail in votes in Fulton County. That happened and Favorito's group went to work analyzing those. They then went back to court with their findings (appearing to have a high duplication rate of the same ballot being counted twice in different batches maybe as high 20%) and requested higher resolution images of the same ballots but now they wanted images of the envelopes as well. Favorito's experts were quite credible and very professional and had credentials out of the wazoo and Amero was convinced.

He ordered the higher resolution scans and even discussed if the court could procure the scanners to help get that done. He ordered the same for the ballot envelopes with restrictions on the side of the envelope containing the voter's signature. Those were not allowed. That was his ruling from the bench but before or just after he entered the written order, there was a flurry of motions to dismiss, more claims of the wrong parties being defendants, etc.

At the same time, one of Favorito's co-Plaintiffs subpoenaed Ruby Freeman, her daughter and Ralph Jones for depositions, among others. Defendants then moved for a protective order to stop all discovery while the MTDs and other motions were being heard. Amero ordered the stay. No depositions, no higher resolution scans, nothing.

Arguments and briefs were submitted and a hearing held. Yesterday he found in favor of the defendants and ordered the dismissal.

Standing issues are different than jurisdictional issues with the latter being waived without a prompt and timely objection. But standing issues also involved the particular relationships between the Plaintiffs and the exact defendants. When the defendants kept being shuffled around between individuals and then those same people in their official capacities, those relationships between the Plaintiffs and the Defendants got blurred. Was there a harm to Plaintiffs caused by the defendants then named?

I think his decision (several of them, in fact) were in error with the dismissal being contrived by the judge's own actions. In short, he screwed up the case procedurally and basically threw up his hands in granting the dismissal instead of trying to fix the mistakes so the case could proceed.

My .02. And yes I am extremely disappointed in Amero. From the hearings I watched he appeared to be contemplative and involved judge, querying the party's attorneys with his own questions and observations. But then it went off of the rails when certain attorneys were removed from the case and private attorneys (criminal attorneys at that) were substituted. That was occasioned by the flip of defendants being named in their individual capacity versus their official capacity.
Thanks for the play-by-play. that makes sense. Will Favorito appeal and attempt to submit more plaintiffs that have more evidence of specific injury? That's what Boris Ep was trying to say will happen on War Room last night. Or is that just spit-shining a turd?
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IDK which avenue Favorito's attorneys will decide to do, at this point. Maybe a motion for reconsideration before an appeal?

Get another Plaintiff and shadow fund a separate case? (I'm thinking like Loefler or Perdue or a Congress person who lost their race in Fulton County.) Or switch gears and go to a neighboring county like DeKalb or Gwinnett? A suit brought by a losing candidate would be more in a quo warranto setting, meanng an equitable cause of action suing the officeholder saying they are in that office illegitimately. In my view, high resolution scanned images of the ballots applicable to that race would be relevant material evidence in that endeavor.
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BadMoonRisin said:

Rapier108 said:

https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/mark-zuckerberg-spent-419m-on-nonprofits-ahead-of-2020-election-and-got-out-the-dem-vote/

Oh good. They're covering it now. Two weeks shy of a year later. And spinning it as "get out the vote" effort instead of a ballot stuffing operation.
NY Post is a conservative alternative to the NY Times. It would be much more significant if the NY Times were reporting on it. They won't though, they're perfectly happy with billionaires being able to purchase elections as long as those billionaires vote the same way they do. Real journalism seemingly only exists with independents. Would be nice if these news companies took their role as government watchdogs seriously instead of just working to advance political agendas. This is a profession that has no ethical standards, no government regulation, and very little civil liability to keep them in check.
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Ooops! Spoke too soon. Favorito says they will appeal.

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Favorito told us VoterGA will appeal today's decisionn on multiple grounds.

Garland Favorito also has a case in Georgia to permanently ban the use of the Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5 Voting System in the state.
Video audio of his remarks at the Link
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Not only will he appeal Amero's decision, my hunch was correct, he's going to be filing in other counties as early as the end of this month.
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pisses me off.. these guys had all those scanned images that proved duplicate votes - same ballots scanned in different batches. PROOF... yet judge dismisses the case and America-hating communists and brainwashed leftist sheeple who don't even understand how awful the consequences of their Biden votes are right now get to gang up and pound their chests that conspiracy theorists lost another court case. No fraud! Most secure election ever!
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Isn't this the case where they admitted the GBI was investigating fraud? Once those images were revealed to scanned twice Kemp and Ratsperger should have asked the GA legislature to outlaw electronic machines for the time being.
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TRM said:

Isn't this the case where they admitted the GBI was investigating fraud? Once those images were revealed to scanned twice Kemp and Ratsperger should have asked the GA legislature to outlaw electronic machines for the time being.
Sec of State said the GBI was "investigating" something but declined to be specific when Amero asked for further clarification of what the GBI was doing ad how this case continuing with discovery would adversely affect that so-called "investigation."

What much of this case came down to was Suzi Voyles. Her credibility. She was the long time election worker who filed affidavits and testified in person of her observations of unfolded, pristine ballots all marked perfectly for Biden. Notably, the GBI has never interviewed nor otherwise contacted Voyles.

Favorito said yesterday that Amero had originally scheduled another hearing in the middle of November in which she was to testify so Amero could determine her credibility on his own. Now that hearing won't be happening.

A lot of lying to the court was happening by Raffensperger and Co.
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Phil Kline and the Amistad Project are still plugging away.



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Phill Kline: What The Daily Mail and what everyone is missing, it's nice to see people waking up to this, is it's not just Zuckerberg. We have identified over a billion dollars of resources and money to various non-profits, Steve… It includes people like Soros. It includes all the big tech giants. And they turned these government offices into Biden campaign centers…

Steve Bannon: This has got to be illegal. This has to be a major violation of the law. Was it not, sir?

Phill Kline: Yes. And that's another confusing thing about the recent reports. These journalists are just now getting into this. It's much more broad. And what you see is a coordinated effort to dilute the vote. You see a coordinated effort to exceed campaign contributions… Steve, we have now seven lawsuits dealing with this.

Audio at Link
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oh no said:

pisses me off.. these guys had all those scanned images that proved duplicate votes - same ballots scanned in different batches. PROOF... yet judge dismisses the case and America-hating communists and brainwashed leftist sheeple who don't even understand how awful the consequences of their Biden votes are right now get to gang up and pound their chests that conspiracy theorists lost another court case. No fraud! Most secure election ever!
They also have video evidence of Ruby Freeman and her daughter scanning ballots numerous times and they were subpoenas issued for them to testify -- which would back up the fact that duplicate votes were counted in numerous batches -- yet nothing. Our judicial system is an absolute joke.

They have the who, what, when, where, why, and how of blatant election "irregularities" -- and no standing.
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aggiehawg said:

Phil Kline and the Amistad Project are still plugging away.



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Phill Kline: What The Daily Mail and what everyone is missing, it's nice to see people waking up to this, is it's not just Zuckerberg. We have identified over a billion dollars of resources and money to various non-profits, Steve… It includes people like Soros. It includes all the big tech giants. And they turned these government offices into Biden campaign centers…

Steve Bannon: This has got to be illegal. This has to be a major violation of the law. Was it not, sir?

Phill Kline: Yes. And that's another confusing thing about the recent reports. These journalists are just now getting into this. It's much more broad. And what you see is a coordinated effort to dilute the vote. You see a coordinated effort to exceed campaign contributions… Steve, we have now seven lawsuits dealing with this.

Audio at Link
Amistad Project has been banging the pot about CTCL since before the election. I remember Kline being on war room almost daily in November and December 2020.
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