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Thanks for the play-by-play. that makes sense. Will Favorito appeal and attempt to submit more plaintiffs that have more evidence of specific injury? That's what Boris Ep was trying to say will happen on War Room last night. Or is that just spit-shining a turd?

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The opinion of Amero is HERE.

It lays out the procedural twists and turns in this case to augment my assessment from memory. Not a long opinion, only 14 pages.

Dr. Shiva's forum today.

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Thanks for the play-by-play. that makes sense. Will Favorito appeal and attempt to submit more plaintiffs that have more evidence of specific injury? That's what Boris Ep was trying to say will happen on War Room last night. Or is that just spit-shining a turd?

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The opinion of Amero is HERE.

It lays out the procedural twists and turns in this case to augment my assessment from memory. Not a long opinion, only 14 pages.

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Interesting. I read the whole thing, but I dont completely understand the procedure of how a court works so that was a little confusing, but I found it interesting when they were talking about "Happy Faces Personel, Inc" Has there been anything else on this "Happy Faces Personnel, Inc" -- their behavior seemed to be called out in the opinion, including a poll watcher hearing one say "Im ready to ********* up". They were also called out for being the ones that brought in table clothes in to conceal underneath the counting tables and counting ballots after observers and media were out of the room after being told the counting stopped - both in violation of state law.

CTCL counters?

LMAO, I found this on their website:

Products & Services

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Happy Faces Personnel Group, Inc provides the following services Document Destruction, Document Shredding, Healthcare Staffing, Management Consultant, Records Management, Staffing Agencies, Technical Staffing, Transcription Services.

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Looks like a staffing agency. Is it normal to have private staffing agencies running elections? I thought they were on a volunteer basis?

Happy Faces is a Stacey Abrams outfit.

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Looks like a staffing agency. Is it normal to have private staffing agencies running elections? I thought they were on a volunteer basis?

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Never used to be. But with Zuckbucks floating around, they had the funds to do this. Did they have the legal authority? I really don't know if Georgia law forbade that before the 2020 election. My guess is that it didn't but has been addressed in the recently passed election law.

So Ruby Freeman and her daughter worked for Happy Faces?

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So Ruby Freeman and her daughter worked for Happy Faces?

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Unclear to me but my gut says that they did.

ETA: I know it is long at 4 hours but the Dr. Shiva forum is really good thus far. He does a very good job of explaining what he was doing and why. Also talks about Runbeck. Guess Runbeck was not very cooperative from what I heard to this point.

A word about the 2019 AZ law allowing for the "curing" of ballots. Maricopa County claims the very low "bad signature" rates only 597 out 1.9+ million EVB early voting ballots and envelopes or 0.03% was a result of that law.

BUT, there are no numbers on how many signatures were cured in that fashion. County doesn't have it but you know who should have it? Runbeck. They send the envelope images to county election workers who then compare a screen version of the envelopes signature blocks with screens of the signatures on file in the voter registration data base and tell Runbeck to flag and segregate those before being transferred to the counting center. So Runbeck has those numbers of the envelopes that were kicked out but sent over for "curing."

Runbeck would not provide that information to the audit members, instead referring all inquiries to the County.

ETA: There are more ballots in the early voting ballot totals from the County than there are early voting ballot envelope images. Over 6400 of them. More ballots than envelopes. How can that be?

The Amero dismissal for standing is strange given how long this has dragged out. He requested an update from the state on any pending investigations related to this case. The state filed this brief on Tuesday, Amero dismissed the case within hours.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21084096-favorito-sos-brief-in-response-to-order-of-92021-with-exs-a-and-b

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RESPONSE OF THE GEORGIA SECRETARY OF STATE TO THE COURT'S ORDER OF SEPTEMBER 20, 2021

The allegations of fraudulent or counterfeit ballots made by Petitioners in this case have been investigated as part of Case No. SEB 2020-203. The scope of the investigation for Case No. SEB 2020-203 largely mirrors the two primary allegations asserted by the Petitioners, namely: (1) that Fulton County elections employees working at the tabulation center in State Farm Arena on Election Night brought out "suitcases" of ballots after poll watchers and the media had left and then scanned the ballots multiple times; and (2) that suspicious-looking absentee ballots were counted during the post-election risk-limiting audit. These allegations have been thoroughly investigated by the Secretary's Investigations Division (with 5 assistance from the GBI and FBI on the first allegation), who have concluded that the evidence reviewed thus far does not substantiate either allegation.

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Voyles served as an auditor in the risk-limiting audit for Fulton County, and she alleges in her affidavit that she saw a batch of "pristine" absentee ballots during the audit that looked suspicious to her. The absentee ballots came out of a cardboard box that had been sealed but not signed, which she identifies in her sworn affidavit as Box 5/Batches 28-36. After reviewing her affidavit, two of the Secretary's investigators inspected all of the ballots in Batches 28-36, which were contained within Box 5 and two other boxes..... none of the absentee ballots contain in Box 5 or in Batches 28-36 met the description of being "pristine." All of the ballots had creases where they had been folded, and none appeared to have been marked or printed from a computer.

The witness then added the caveat that she could have been mistaken in her sworn statement and that Batches 28-36 instead could have been in Box 135. Investigators followed up on this lead and confirmed with county elections officials that Box 135/Batches 28-36 was not a box/batch combination that existed.

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Q. Okay. Well, let's finish watching this video, please. So you're -- you're aware that they're scanning at each of those, I guess, tables where there's activity?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Were there five ladies staffing those five 13 tables?
A. I believe so. There was five work stations, and five females and then Ralph Jones.

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The -- the discussion was had that, you know -- you know, by everything I personally saw and everything he observed on video, it looked like normal work being done. Normal scanning being done.

Q. Okay. So you see Ms. Ruby takes them off the scanner after scanning them?
A. Uh-huh. (indicating in the affirmative) They're not tabulated.
Q. Huh?
A. They're not tabulated.
Q. What are they doing there?
A. Jammed up. You have to push a button on here to accept it, and she never did that. That's what I was watching.

Q. Okay. So she's putting them back on again?
A. Uh-huh. (indicating in the affirmative)
Before my training that I received at the state Election's office, I would have assumed that as soon as you're scanning these things, it's -- it's sending information. That's not the case. You have to wait until it properly scans all of them without errors or jams, and then after that's done, then you go to your touchscreen and hit accept.

Q. Have you received any specific training on the Dominion
A. I have.
Q. -- voting system in terms of how to operate?
A. I have.
Q. You have?
A. Yes sir.

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The Amero dismissal for standing is strange given how long this has dragged out. He requested an update from the state on any pending investigations related to this case. The state filed this brief on Tuesday, Amero dismissed the case within hours.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21084096-favorito-sos-brief-in-response-to-order-of-92021-with-exs-a-and-b

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RESPONSE OF THE GEORGIA SECRETARY OF STATE TO THE COURT'S ORDER OF SEPTEMBER 20, 2021

The allegations of fraudulent or counterfeit ballots made by Petitioners in this case have been investigated as part of Case No. SEB 2020-203. The scope of the investigation for Case No. SEB 2020-203 largely mirrors the two primary allegations asserted by the Petitioners, namely: (1) that Fulton County elections employees working at the tabulation center in State Farm Arena on Election Night brought out "suitcases" of ballots after poll watchers and the media had left and then scanned the ballots multiple times; and (2) that suspicious-looking absentee ballots were counted during the post-election risk-limiting audit. These allegations have been thoroughly investigated by the Secretary's Investigations Division (with 5 assistance from the GBI and FBI on the first allegation), who have concluded that the evidence reviewed thus far does not substantiate either allegation.

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Voyles served as an auditor in the risk-limiting audit for Fulton County, and she alleges in her affidavit that she saw a batch of "pristine" absentee ballots during the audit that looked suspicious to her. The absentee ballots came out of a cardboard box that had been sealed but not signed, which she identifies in her sworn affidavit as Box 5/Batches 28-36. After reviewing her affidavit, two of the Secretary's investigators inspected all of the ballots in Batches 28-36, which were contained within Box 5 and two other boxes..... none of the absentee ballots contain in Box 5 or in Batches 28-36 met the description of being "pristine." All of the ballots had creases where they had been folded, and none appeared to have been marked or printed from a computer.

The witness then added the caveat that she could have been mistaken in her sworn statement and that Batches 28-36 instead could have been in Box 135. Investigators followed up on this lead and confirmed with county elections officials that Box 135/Batches 28-36 was not a box/batch combination that existed.

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Q. Okay. Well, let's finish watching this video, please. So you're -- you're aware that they're scanning at each of those, I guess, tables where there's activity?
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Q. Were there five ladies staffing those five 13 tables?
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The -- the discussion was had that, you know -- you know, by everything I personally saw and everything he observed on video, it looked like normal work being done. Normal scanning being done.

Q. Okay. So you see Ms. Ruby takes them off the scanner after scanning them?
A. Uh-huh. (indicating in the affirmative) They're not tabulated.
Q. Huh?
A. They're not tabulated.
Q. What are they doing there?
A. Jammed up. You have to push a button on here to accept it, and she never did that. That's what I was watching.

Q. Okay. So she's putting them back on again?
A. Uh-huh. (indicating in the affirmative)
Before my training that I received at the state Election's office, I would have assumed that as soon as you're scanning these things, it's -- it's sending information. That's not the case. You have to wait until it properly scans all of them without errors or jams, and then after that's done, then you go to your touchscreen and hit accept.

Q. Have you received any specific training on the Dominion
A. I have.
Q. -- voting system in terms of how to operate?
A. I have.
Q. You have?
A. Yes sir.

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Voyles was never contacted by GBI. That's a lie.

It doesn't say she was. She was interviewed by the SOS Investigators, the division that handles election crimes. It says the claims were investigated by the FBI, not which witnesses they interviewed. At any rate, they chased her claims down, they checked the batches she said she counted.

She claims she notified elections officials of the suspicious ballots during the audit. 5 other people including the lady sitting next to her said no she didn't.

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She was interviewed by the SOS Investigators, the division that handles election crimes. It says the claims were investigated by the FBI, not which witnesses they interviewed. At any rate, they chased her claims down, they checked the batches she said she counted.

She claims she notified elections officials of the suspicious ballots during the audit. 5 other people including the lady sitting next to her said no she didn't.

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Idiots owe Ruby Freeman an apology????. Since you have zero idea of what has already been presented into evidence,

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I've read the Callaway deposition. Have you? He walks through the video minute by minute explaining that nothing improper happened. What specifically did he get wrong?

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Ruby was protected by Biden. They could never let her testify. She's lucky she is still alive.

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Just vague conspiracy nuttery and woo woo. This was investiaged in November and December 2020 she was interviewed by law enforcement, Biden wasn't even president.

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Now do the numbers. YOU counted more ballots than envelopes for EVBs.

Explain that.
You can't . You are a liar and uninformed. Tell your employer, ActBlue that you are not up to this because you don't have any facts.

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Dudes just trolling.

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ETA: There are more ballots in the early voting ballot totals from the County than there are early voting ballot envelope images. Over 6400 of them. More ballots than envelopes. How can that be?

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EVBs in Maricopa requested by mail can be returned by mail OR in-person without the envelop. In his presentation he argues that the 6,545 early voting ballots should match a corresponding # (6,545) of return envelop images. This is not the case, he's mistaken.

Edit 1: [let me find a source]

Edit 2: I believe I am mistaken. The primary question here, I think, is as follows:

Must the original mailed early-vote ballot be accompanied by its original mailed return envelope when a voter drops off their EVB in-person?

I believe that answer is yes (I'm wrong above). So what happens if you attempt to drop off your EVB in-person without said envelope? According to the County, you can a) go home request a new ballot and envelop, 2) stay and vote early in-person upon which your originally issued ballot is cancelled in SiteBook.

I suppose option #2 results in a completed EVB that does not have an accompanying envelope--which results in the discrepancy? I'm not certain.

What Maricopa says:

FAQ #15
https://recorder.maricopa.gov/site/faq.aspx
Fact 7 0 Double voting
https://recorder.maricopa.gov/justthefacts/
Myth 1 - EV files
Poster already included it below, Maricopa EV files:

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Voters in Maricopa County may vote early or on Election Day. If a voter chooses to vote early, they may cast a mailed ballot or vote in person prior to Election Day. In both of these cases, the voter is casting an early ballot. For the November 2020 General Election, Maricopa County had 2,364,426 requests for an early ballot and 1,918,024 early ballots returned either by mail or voting in-person early.
The claim that Maricopa County had 74,000 more mail-in ballots than requests appears to be incorrectly calculated by comparing two files that are created during early voting, the EV32 and EV33 files. Created daily, the EV32 file is a listing of all voters that requested an early ballot on that day, while the EV33 file is a listing of all voters that returned a ballot on that day. State law requires the County prepare these daily files for the County political parties during early voting. The EV32 file must be created up until 11 days prior to Election Day, which is the last day a voter can request a ballot in the mail. The EV33 files must be created up until the day before Election Day.
Any voter who cast an early ballot in person after Oct. 23, 2020 would not be included in the EV32 file and any voter who dropped off an early ballot on Election Day would not be included in the EV33 file. Any comparison using these files to find the total number of early voters would lead to inaccurate results. The "voted file" provides the full accounting of voters that cast a ballot in Maricopa County.

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Don't feed the troll. It's just black sox/thermal pope back again.

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ETA: There are more ballots in the early voting ballot totals from the County than there are early voting ballot envelope images. Over 6400 of them. More ballots than envelopes. How can that be?

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EVBs in Maricopa requested by mail can be returned by mail OR in-person without the envelop. In his presentation he argues that the 6,545 early voting ballots should match a corresponding # (6,545) of return envelop images. This is not the case, he's mistaken.

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This is right. There were 3 different files:

EV-32 - Early Ballot Requests File contains a list of voters who have requested early ballots and typically covers the one-week period prior to the date of issue.

EV-33 - Early Ballot Returns File contains a list of voters who have returned their early ballots and typically covers the previous week's returns.

VM-55 - Voted File contains the names and addresses of registered voters who cast ballots in that election, or who requested an early ballot but did not vote. Each entry is coded to indicate the manner in which the ballot was cast (e.g., at a polling location, by mail, or an early voting site, etc.).

There needs to be a reconciliation of the 3 to say for sure. I don't know if that happened.

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Imagine making a sock to defend the people who stole an election and are in the process of destroying our nation.

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I was thinking the same thing. How can you see what's going on right now and be amped up about this mess. What a POS.

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Don't feed the troll. It's just black sox/thermal pope back again.

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I was also thinking this could be the case as well...

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BREAKING: Arizona AG Brnovich is expected to bring charges against Maricopa County election officials for election fraud.

— David Chapman (@davidchapman141) October 2, 2021

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Last week the AZ Attorney General informed the county to preserve materials/data related to the election for any possible future litigation and related investigations. However, I have not seen anything beyond that reported out of the AG office.

As much as I would like to believe what Chapman is saying is true, I have yet to see this reported elsewhere. In light of this, why should I believe Chapman? He simply says "BREAKING" and provides no statement/source/etc beyond that. Better yet, why do some on this board seem to rather unquestionably assume it is factual?

This guy just seems to be jumping out ahead of things for likes. Since we often highlight the left's failed attempts at factual journalism and legitimate "sources", shouldn't we do the same here? A quick search of this guy's twitter is easy to undertake.

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Any update here?

It is difficult to trust David considering he was on an island reporting this. Not saying it cannot happen at some point. But I'm not convinced he has a source in the AZ AG's office. His latest tweets are mostly sports predictions and a critical review of the recent Star Wars films.

Arizona AG demands officials hand over voter information for election audit probehttps://t.co/FZZqCQFogU

— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) October 18, 2021

What has become crystal clear in all of this debate is that MIB systems are extremely complicated, rife with abuse potential, full of security holes, and lacking transparency to the extreme. Just look on this thread alone about how difficult it is to understand exactly who is doing what and what exactly happened.

The arguments for mail in balloting are complete b*****t as it is NOT difficult to get out and vote in person for the vast majority of people and the exceptions need to be simplified, direct, and secure without 3rd party involvement. Outside of these exceptions, mail in balloting should be eliminated.

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What has become crystal clear in all of this debate is that MIB systems are extremely complicated, rife with abuse potential, full of security holes, and lacking transparency to the extreme. Just look on this thread alone about how difficult it is to understand exactly who is doing what and what exactly happened.

The arguments for mail in balloting are complete b*****t as it is NOT difficult to get out and vote in person for the vast majority of people and the exceptions need to be simplified, direct, and secure without 3rd party involvement. Outside of these exceptions, mail in balloting should be eliminated.

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Do you suppose there is any connection between MIB, Covid strain E, F, G, or whatever, and the mid-terms? Are the dems that organized and secretive?

They don't need to be secretive since no one in the media will hold them accountable

I wouldn't go so far as to say covid was 'planned' specifically to affect the 2020 election, though the Democrats certainly know how to game a tragedy for their advantage. But now that they have the playbook, I would not be surprised to see another push for MIB's based on covid again. In fact, I expect it.

Dang, so we're just boned then? Nothing to see here.