*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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IMO, it's all about the global stock markets & the ramifications this may have for years to come. The "tighter" the election laws become here (no basis in reality), the less of a chance dims have at winning.

Additionally, I've read this report will be used by other states as a procedural guide for their forensic audit(s). Seems everything we uncovered here Nov - Jan (no watermarks, wrong paper, no folds/creases, wrong (no) unique IDs, no versioning, broken chains of custodies, un-purged & outdated voter registries modified after election, etc, etc) are the specific areas of valid concern.

After AZ, PA should be up next. MIBs there were a total fiasco, and I've read it makes GA seem tame by comparison (how???). For example, earlier in this thread is CNN's PA vote tally screenshot. That's an evidentiary artifact all by itself.
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A preview.
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These AZ report totals don't even include the illegal alien votes. Hunter's dad "won" by ~10K votes, and this represents ~50K that should've been discarded.

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I hope they include analysis on how the "illegal" votes played out by party, and how it compares against the legal votes.
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Thread re: AZ audit.

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peacedude said:

These AZ report totals don't even include the illegal alien votes. Hunter's dad "won" by ~10K votes, and this represents ~50K that should've been discarded.

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23K votes with no ballot?!?!

Da fuq?
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Albatross Necklace said:

peacedude said:

These AZ report totals don't even include the illegal alien votes. Hunter's dad "won" by ~10K votes, and this represents ~50K that should've been discarded.

FJB


23K votes with no ballot?!?!

Da fuq?
Early on, during a hearing before Senator Fann, Logan and Bennett were telling her that there were many duplication problems for what were supposedly spoiled ballots. The procedure called for election workers to put a number on the original damaged ballot and then put the same number on the duplicate they generated to take its place. That didn't always happen so the auditors were having problems matching up the damaged ballots with their replacement ballots. That might be one explanation, maybe?

During the hearing my jaw hit the floor when Bennett said even the Braille ballots which are actually thick binders that can't be scanned and have to be duplicated didn't have the required numbering to match up with the replacement ballots. IOW, blind voters in Maricopa County have no way of knowing their votes were either registered correctly nor even counted at all. Now I'm sure that's not a huge number but still is pretty s***ty thing to do.
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I am neutral to the outcome - i want to know the error rate in elections and learn what the now elected believe is a reasonable error rate. I still suspect both sides have bought votes for decades and don't want to lose out on the easier win.

Throw out the critical errors and recount. That is justice. I don't care if Biden wins by more, i want a system i can trust.

Otherwise might makes right.
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Headline in today's Arizona Republic: "Draft of audit report says Biden won, as decided in Nov. The three-volume report by the Cyber Ninjas includes results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county's official election results."
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neil88 said:

Headline in today's Arizona Republic: "Draft of audit report says Biden won, as decided in Nov."
FTR: That news outlet has been crapping all over the audit even before it was started. Definitely has an agenda and truth in journalism is not on the menu.
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Agree and specifically Jen Fifield has been gaslighting AR readers for months.
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Yeah, supposedly that is only the hand recount of the ballots.

BUT. The way the dominion system works, is if the is an adjudicated ballot, then a NEW ballot is printed with the ballot corrected. So a recount of actual ballots would come out generally correct.

But without some way to verify the new ballot from the spoiled ballot, how do we know that the adjudicated ballot was correct?

Also that doesn't take into account ballots that were faked, or mishandled, etc.
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yeah the Arizona Republic story is intentionally misleading. It says the report should just stop after showing the table of the hand recount. So no need to verify individual ballots authenticity or chain of custody. A ballot is a ballot as far as they are concerned. Idiotic reporting.
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Problem is the truth of it all is too complicated. Its not going to be the way to drive the Democrats out.

Keep it simple.

Put the facts of leaving the border wide open and defund the police against Democrat calls for gun control and wishing to disarm all in the face of letter feral elements overrun streets.

That is easily put across, and entirely true.
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Retired FBI Agent said:

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/09/23/arizona-audit-draft-report-confirms-biden-beat-trump-2020/5835521001/

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A monthslong hand recount of Maricopa County's 2020 vote confirmed that President Joe Biden won and the election was not "stolen" from former President Donald Trump, according to early versions of a report prepared for the Arizona Senate.

The three-volume report by the Cyber Ninjas, the Senate's lead contractor, includes results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county's official election results. The data in the report also confirms that U.S. Sen. Mark Kelly won in the county.

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The draft reports reviewed by The Republic minimize the ballot counts and election results and instead focus on issues that raise questions about the election process and voter integrity.

The draft report shows there was less than a 1,000-vote difference between the county's certified ballot count and the Cyber Ninjas' hand count.

The hand count shows Trump received 45,469 fewer votes than Biden. The county results showed he lost by 45,109.

The draft audit report says, however, the election results are inconclusive.

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The draft report comes in three parts adding up to about 110 pages. It includes recommended changes to state elections law and suggestions for how the county should correct certain election processes, including how to keep voter information updated, ballot handling and voting machine security.

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One of the most significant problems is the Cyber Ninjas' reliance on a commercial database to verify voters. White said. He called the methodology sloppy and said experts who do this for a living instead would use data directly from the County Recorder's Office, not data from a third party.



Wow. Nice spin
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AZ Republic be like

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FWIW.



If criminal referrals are made to the AZ AG as a result of this audit? Would be in very interesting development.

On another topic, I'm getting worried that Ben Cotton was not completely successful in recovering the logs from the EMS server. There's "deleted" and then there is "overwritten." And the lack of chain of custody for both the ballots and the machines from Election Day until delivery to the Coliseum would make it impossible to determine who had access to commit such spoiliation.
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titan said:


Problem is the truth of it all is too complicated. Its not going to be the way to drive the Democrats out.

Keep it simple.

Put the facts of leaving the border wide open and defund the police against Democrat calls for gun control and wishing to disarm all in the face of letter feral elements overrun streets.

That is easily put across, and entirely true.
For me, this isn't about trying to convince democrats of anything so the media spin doesn't really matter. This is about courts and legislation. If you can connect the data to the people responsible, charge them. If the data shows failures in the system, modify/pass laws to fix them. The publics opinion is inconsequential except for how it may have an effect on the courts or legislators.
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I think it would be a pretty easy argument to make that being overwritten is in effect, any less of a crime than being deleted after the subpoena's were issued. Knowingly leaving them in service to be overwritten would be every bit as much of an intention to destroy evidence as much as outright deletion in my book.
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aggiehawg said:

FWIW.



If criminal referrals are made to the AZ AG as a result of this audit? Would be in very interesting development.

On another topic, I'm getting worried that Ben Cotton was not completely successful in recovering the logs from the EMS server. There's "deleted" and then there is "overwritten." And the lack of chain of custody for both the ballots and the machines from Election Day until delivery to the Coliseum would make it impossible to determine who had access to commit such spoiliation.
"Deleted" is the easiest to recover. Overwritten is much more difficult to recover.

In Windows, after a file is "deleted", it is still on the HDD, but Windows does not see it any more. It is not until those sectors are overwritten by Windows doing other things that it becomes harder to recover.

I believe a forensic recovery can usually recover files after the have been overwritten once or twice(although I am no expert and may be wrong).

A DoD wipe of a HDD consists of 3 overwrites of all sectors of the HDD.

The above applies to magnetic HDD's. I am not too sure on SSDs, and don't have the time to look it up.
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Okay, thanks for whatever it was that you said. (Computerese impaired here.) LOL.
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HDD = Hard Disk Drive
SSD = Solid State Drive

Does that help?
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In layman's terms:

Putting a file in the recycle bin doesn't actually delete it.

In order to actually delete a file, you have to use up all the memory on your computer.
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Thanks guys. Anyone know if Dominion uses solid state drives?
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aggiehawg said:

Thanks guys. Anyone know if Dominion uses solid state drives?
Good chance they do. Can be physically smaller than hard drives and not really sensitive to shock from simply being moved around.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Age of the equipment would be a factor. The older is it, the more like they have magnetic drives.
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American Hardwood said:

I think it would be a pretty easy argument to make that being overwritten is in effect, any less of a crime than being deleted after the subpoena's were issued. Knowingly leaving them in service to be overwritten would be every bit as much of an intention to destroy evidence as much as outright deletion in my book.
IIRC, these were not cases where the logs were overwritten in the natural course of continued usage, but where somebody sent a bunch of login attempts (thousands IIRC) with no password entered, within a single day in what was an obvious effort to overflow the log file showing who had logged into the system during or after the election.
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txags92 said:

American Hardwood said:

I think it would be a pretty easy argument to make that being overwritten is in effect, any less of a crime than being deleted after the subpoena's were issued. Knowingly leaving them in service to be overwritten would be every bit as much of an intention to destroy evidence as much as outright deletion in my book.
IIRC, these were not cases where the logs were overwritten in the natural course of continued usage, but where somebody sent a bunch of login attempts (thousands IIRC) with no password entered, within a single day in what was an obvious effort to overflow the log file showing who had logged into the system during or after the election.
That is correct.
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Sounds legit

American Hardwood
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I'd like to see one you number crunchers please tell me what the odds are that 10,000+ people out of the 2.1 million in Maricopa County share the same first, middle, and last names as well as birth year against the Arizona total population.
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One of the MANY live streams that will be available today.

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