*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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snowdog90
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will25u said:





So NOW we're supposed to pay attention to observers!?!?
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FriscoKid said:

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Routers would show what Vlan(network), ip address, mac address(physical hardware address, unique to each network card).

There are also logs of what mac address connected to which port at what time. Etc.

It would be very useful to find out if a device had access to the internet or not.

I don't know why law enforcement information would be on it, except if the router was used at a police precinct, or if LEO connected to the router/switch or wifi if the wifi access point was connected to the router.

ETA: routers hold a lot of information as they are the gatekeepers to the network(s).
Routers aren't exactly storage devices, are they? They would show which IP addresses were connected but not the information that was exchanged?
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So then all of the claims about law enforcement and people's SS# is complete crap, then?
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snowdog90 said:

will25u said:





So NOW we're supposed to pay attention to observers!?!?
In case you missed it, one of the "observers" sent by Hobbs was Ryan Macias. Former head of the EAC, the certification agency for voting systems. He certified Dominion at some point in that role. He left in May 2019, then EAC hired a ten year employee of Dominion's who was in the certification department to the EAC. In that position she was in fact checking her own work.
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snowdog90 said:

will25u said:





So NOW we're supposed to pay attention to observers!?!?
Sure...put them 60 feet away on the other side of a window, then board up the windows. I mean that was ok when they did it in Michigan and Pennsylvania, why would the dems not be ok with it in AZ?
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txags92 said:

snowdog90 said:

will25u said:





So NOW we're supposed to pay attention to observers!?!?
Sure...put them 60 feet away on the other side of a window, then board up the windows. I mean that was ok when they did it in Michigan and Pennsylvania, why would the dems not be ok with it in AZ?
Ballot signatures are so critical in all of this. Complete trash.
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Even if the observers are blatant partisans, I don't think it will matter. From what I've read, Cyber Ninjas are documenting everything.

So if an observer accuses auditors of impropriety, Cyber Ninjas will respond "Here's video of the incident from 3 different angles. Where exactly did we not follow the rules?"

I'm more concerned about not comparing ballot envelop signatures.
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Albatross Necklace said:

Even if the observers are blatant partisans, I don't think it will matter. From what I've read, Cyber Ninjas are documenting everything.

So if an observer accuses auditors of impropriety, Cyber Ninjas will respond "Here's video of the incident from 3 different angles. Where exactly did we not follow the rules?"

I'm more concerned about not comparing ballot envelop signatures.
If there are more 12,000 "mail-in ballots" that have no signs of ever being folded, the signature issue could be moot. It would be optimal to be able to point out every single way they cheated of course.
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Albatross Necklace said:

Even if the observers are blatant partisans, I don't think it will matter. From what I've read, Cyber Ninjas are documenting everything.

So if an observer accuses auditors of impropriety, Cyber Ninjas will respond "Here's video of the incident from 3 different angles. Where exactly did we not follow the rules?"

I'm more concerned about not comparing ballot envelop signatures.
What is truly amazing is that all of these officials, whose duty it is to ensure election integrity, do NOT want to verify the envelope signatures with registration records. How could they justify this demand? They need to explain this to the citizens. There is only one possible motivation for doing this and it isn't for transparency, honesty, and integrity.
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Hobbs letter TLDR: REEEEEEEE
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Residents in Windham, New Hampshire are fighting back against the city board's decision to appoint a known election audit critic to take charge of the state's 2020 review.

Meanwhile, another member of the Board of Selectmen said he will vote to appoint Jovan Pulitzer to lead the election fraud audit if that's what the majority of the citizens want.

Heath Partington became the second member of the four member board who now may support Pulitzer's candidacy over the audit critic Mark Lindeman.

Last week, the board voted three-to-one to put Lindeman in charge of the audit, which sparked citywide protests. Windham residents have said New Hampshire needs an audit similar to that in Arizona, but the Board of Selectmen is trying to fight their demands.

Last month, state legislature passed the Bill SB43 that mandates New Hampshire officials audit last year's elections after a Windham recount found six percent of Republican votes were switched to Democrat candidates.

The audit bill has already been signed into law by Republican Gov. Chris Sununu, but Windham officials are struggling to select the team of auditors to do the job.

Residents are now organizing a formal petition that's required to change the votes of their selectmen. This came after citizens turned their back on Windham board members Monday night in defiance of their plans to appoint Lindeman.

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Well, their state motto is Live Free or Die, after all.
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Clarify please: auditors are not allowed to compare signatures on ballot envelopes to the voter registration signatures on file? Then WTF is the point? It's like they are saying: "Hey, there's an obvious gaping control gap that could have easily been taken advantage of with all the extra harvesting going on due to all the mass mail-ins and fear mongering, but you're not allowed to check for evidence to confirm whether it was taken advantage of or not and if so, how much it might have been taken advantage of." This, in my mind, was one of the main points of a full / true forensic audit. #bananarepublic
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Unconfirmed rumor:

During the Michigan audit some of Microsoft's custom firmware was found in a voting machine.
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Albatross Necklace said:

Unconfirmed rumor:

During the Michigan audit some of Microsoft's custom firmware was found in a voting machine.


Any link to this or just conjecture at this point?
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Albatross Necklace said:

Unconfirmed rumor:

During the Michigan audit some of Microsoft's custom firmware was found in a voting machine.


What exactly would that mean?
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txags92
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Sounds like the AZ militia needs to stand by to prevent interference with their state's business. States run their own elections. DOJ has no role getting involved.
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They're going to frame it as "civil rights" violation.
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txags92 said:

Sounds like the AZ militia needs to stand by to prevent interference with their state's business. States run their own elections. DOJ has no role getting involved.
Only business they have is ultimately prosecuting those that cheated
will25u
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FFS.

American Hardwood
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Every legislature in every state needs to order an audit NOW regardless of how things went down. Make the corrupt democrat establishment react. Show everyone just exactly who has something to hide.
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Pamela Karlan is DOJ hack who is leading the charge against the audit.

Everyone remember her? She was a Democrat impeachment "witness".

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/04/pamela-karlan-apologizes-for-invoking-barron-trump-but-urges-president-to-say-sorry-too/
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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This is getting a little crazy and it's amazing how each side sees it. I was reading through some of the comments on one of the tweets posted and it's an alternate reality. The left sees an illegal audit, cloaked in secrecy, and out of sight. They are screaming for the trustworthy DOJ to go in and put an end to it.

Recently, Tim Pool has been discussing how disconnected the left is from actual news. They just don't pay attention. They get their talking points through social media and that's it. They claim enlightenment, but have their heads buried in the sand. Crazy days.
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outofstateaggie said:

This is getting a little crazy and it's amazing how each side sees it. I was reading through some of the comments on one of the tweets posted and it's an alternate reality. The left sees an illegal audit, cloaked in secrecy, and out of sight. They are screaming for the trustworthy DOJ to go in and put an end to it.

Recently, Tim Pool has been discussing how disconnected the left is from actual news. They just don't pay attention. They get their talking points through social media and that's it. They claim enlightenment, but have their heads buried in the sand. Crazy days.


This is why a lot of people think there will be conflict soon. Something has to break. And I'm not so sure the current administration might welcome it to consolidate more power IMO.
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As for the DOJ concern that state election officials are no longer in control of the ballots and machines, that is the Board of Supervisors' fault.

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Maricopa County's elected leaders aren't interested in allowing a firm led by a backer of unfounded election fraud theories to use county facilities to recount 2.1 million ballots from November's election as part of an audit that Arizona Senate's Republican leaders plan to conduct.

The decision by the Republican-dominated Maricopa County Board of Supervisors came after the board met with its lawyers Thursday, a day after Senate President Karen Fann announced the auditors she had hired to try to show whether President Joe Biden's victory was legitimate.

It means Fann, who won a court order allowing access to the ballots and voting machines late last month, will need to find a secure location to do the recount. The board has never indicated it would let the Senate use its vote count center, but Fann repeatedly suggested she wanted to use the facility.
Board Chairman Jack Sellers said in a Thursday evening statement that the board respects the "power of the Senate" and has been ready to comply with a subpoena to deliver the ballots and vote-counting equipment for more than a month.

In a letter Sellers instructed to be sent to the Senate's lawyer, the county's lawyer said the county "stands ready" to deliver the ballots and tabulation equipment to the Senate or "a non-County owned location of the Senators' choosing."
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Per Republican Chairwoman Kelli Ward, Maricopa County Director of Election Day And Emergency Voting, Scott Jarrett, said that the orange devices in the picture above were external drives that were loaded nightly with early vote totals and taken offsite to an undisclosed location for safety by an employer or a Dominion contractor working for Maricopa County.
If I am reading that correctly, that was occurring during early voting. Were they counting mail-in ballots during that time or just in person early voting??

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Scott Jarrett claims on his LinkedIn profile to have been an auditor before stepping into his current role in Maricopa County. He also claims to have a CIA designation which stands for Certified Internal Auditor.





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Okay went back to check on Arizona's procedures for counting mail in ballots. This is from last November.

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Chalk it up to the state's various options for voting, high turnout and a robust history of early voting that often leads to late results. With other battleground states including Georgia and Pennsylvania approaching 100% of their counts Thursday night, it seemed Arizona might be the last tally in America anyone would be left watching.

The late results are nothing new, though. In the 2018 general election, it took six days before Kyrsten Sinema emerged as the winner of a hard-fought U.S. Senate race. In 2010, voters waited 12 days to learn they had legalized medical marijuana.

This year, because of COVID-19 safety concerns, early ballots jumped in popularity. An estimated 88% of the primary vote in August came through the mail; a final tally for this month's general election was not immediately available from the Arizona Secretary of State's office. In Maricopa County, roughly 2.1 million people asked for a mail-in ballot out of 2.6 million registered voters.
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Mail-in ballots, however, are not always mailed in. And they are not always early.

If voters wait until Election Day, the only way to ensure their ballot gets to the polls is to take it there themselves. In Maricopa County, about 175,000 early ballots were dropped off Tuesday, county Recorder Adrian Fontes said.

By then, elections offices in all 15 Arizona counties are busy dealing with in-person voting.
The early ballots, now called "late earlies" because they arrived late in the cycle, are set aside. Processing begins in the following days and is more involved than simply feeding the ballot into a tabulation machine.

Elections workers have to check the signature on the outside of the late earlies to ensure it matches what's on the voter rolls. If there is an issue, they try to find the voter to "cure" the ballot within the five-day period set aside for this. The deadline is 5 p.m. Tuesday.
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Meanwhile, more than 72% of the state's 4.3 million voters cast ballots this election, driving up the workload for officials. Mail-in ballots that didn't get processed before Election Day have to go through the same verification process.
That tells me the mail in ballots were being processed and counted during early voting. No?

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In Pima County, Recorder F. Ann Rodriguez said her office is busy processing both early and late-early ballots, and calling voters to do signature checks. These tasks take time, but are essential to getting the count right.

On Election Day, only 50,000 of 638,000 registered voters in the county turned out at the polls, she said.

In Yavapai County, Recorder Leslie Hoffman said 80% of the county's voters are on the permanent early voting list. Still, as of Thursday her office was dealing with 7,800 early ballots that were dropped off at the county's vote centers, as well as 845 provisional ballots.
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The competitive nature of the presidential race in Arizona contributes to the lack of a clear result so far. Not all of the votes have to be counted for a winner to be projected, but with President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden in a tight race, some outlets have waited to make a call.

In other races, control of the Arizona House of Representatives is still up in the air as votes continue to be counted in close races. Democrats need to pick up two seats to become the majority party in that chamber, something that hasn't happened in 60 years.
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In other races, such as the ballot proposition to legalize recreational marijuana, the trend was strong enough to deem Proposition 207 had passed, even as vote counting continues. The same applied to the U.S. Senate race, which Democrat Mark Kelly won over Republican Sen. Martha McSally.
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FTR: GOP held onto their two seat majority in the state house.

There is much more at stake for the Dems if the audit reveals Mark Kelly actually didn't win. And who knows? The Senate seat in Michigan might have gone to James, as well?
Rapier108
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Look like LaCie Rugged drives.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Rapier108 said:

Look like LaCie Rugged drives.
Is that what is in the picture? What do they do? Don't remember ever seeing such a name on the equipment list from Dominion. Not saying that wasn't there but doesn't ring a bell for me.
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aggiehawg said:

Rapier108 said:

Look like LaCie Rugged drives.
Is that what is in the picture? What do they do? Don't remember ever seeing such a name on the equipment list from Dominion. Not saying that wasn't there but doesn't ring a bell for me.
It's just a brand of hard drives. Nothing really special about them except the case is designed to be moved around a lot and thus protected against damage by having a tough outer case.

Tech note, its possible they're actually not hard drives, but solid state drives instead.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Rapier108 said:

aggiehawg said:

Rapier108 said:

Look like LaCie Rugged drives.
Is that what is in the picture? What do they do? Don't remember ever seeing such a name on the equipment list from Dominion. Not saying that wasn't there but doesn't ring a bell for me.
It's just a brand of hard drives. Nothing really special about them except the case is designed to be moved around a lot and thus protected against damage by having a tough outer case.

Tech note, its possible they're actually not hard drives, but solid state drives instead.
What's the difference?
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will25u said:




Are the passwords they are talking about original with the equipment? Like a generic password that would need to be changed by the county once they take possession/purchase the equipment? I'm lost.
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Back to New Hampshire.

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Concord, NH Pursuant to Senate Bill 43, the Forensic Election Audit Team announces that it has selected its third member. The following members will serve as the Senate Bill 43 Forensic Election Audit Team:

  • Mark Lindeman, named by the Town of Windham;
  • Harri Hursti, named by the Attorney General and Secretary of State; and
  • Philip Stark, named by the two above members in accordance with SB 43.

Philip Stark is a University of California mathematician who made headlines when he resigned from Verified Voting in 2019.
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Alternet reported on Stark back in 2019.
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Verified Voting, the national advocacy group seeking accountable election results, has been "providing cover" for untrustworthy new voting systems and the public officials buying them, according to an esteemed academic board member who has resigned in protest.

"VV [Verified Voting] is on the wrong side," said the resignation letter from Philip Stark, a University of California mathematician who created a vote-verification tool being adopted by growing numbers of states that has been widely promoted by Verified Voting and advocacy groups following its lead.

Verified Voting is a heavyweight in election policy circles. It relies on its academic credentials to tell public officials to trust them and to dismiss competing views. To be accused by the inventor of its "gold-standard" audit solution of selling out while states and counties are buy voting technology that will be used into the 2030s is remarkable.

That tool Stark is concerned about is called a risk-limiting audit (RLA). It uses statistics and manual examinations of a subset of hand-marked paper ballots to assess with 95 percent certainty if the election results were accurate. The problem is that vendors have been pushing new voting systems that replace hand-marked ballots with computer-printed ballot summary cards. (The cards display a voter's choices in text and barcodes. The cards' barcodes are used to tally results at the process's next stage.)

Stark and other critics say that the cards produced by a so-called ballot-marking device (BMD) may not be accurate because potentially insecure software sits between a voter's fingers and the printout. Thus, Stark contends that his audit tool cannot assess if the reported result is correct. Also, BMD systems are far more costly than hand-marked ballot systems, he and other critics have said. They note that the acquisition costs are followed by per-machine service agreements designed to generate millions in annual revenues for vendors.
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Unless I am mistaken, Hursti agreed that Dominion Voting Systems were not configured in a manner where RLAs would be verifiable. By that I mean practically worthless to determine there has been an accurate count that matches the ballots.

The lawyer in the Antrim County MI case posted a video of his expert confirming that a few days ago.

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