Not NC but still very damning.

Rudy Giuliani has been attacked as a buffoon, yet he took down the mafia through RICO. Is it a coincidence that he leads Trump's legal team against voter fraud? My thought is that much of their efforts was just setting up an exploitable system, and indirectly guiding people to exploit it. Though, I'm not sure if they reached the scale necessary through individual actors. Perhaps they had insurance just in case and ultimately had to use it. I think the number of people required to coordinate and pull off something at the 100k+ votes in each of several states would result in activity signalling their intentions. If that occurred, is there any hope that the DOJ could have obtained a legal basis for surveillance and done so without internal sympathizers leaking that information?

It is used in Texas.

There was a letter posted in another thread dated this past January where the Texas Sec of State rejected Dominion's bid for a state wide system over vulnerabilities it had found. That's what I based my statement on. Now individual counties might have struck a deal here or there but I don't think it was in use statewide.

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It is used in Texas.

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DER TAKEN ERRR VOTES!

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There was a letter posted in another thread dated this past January where the Texas Sec of State rejected Dominion's bid for a state wide system over vulnerabilities it had found. That's what I based my statement on. Now individual counties might have struck a deal here or there but I don't think it was in use statewide.

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Yes, it's not that commonly used in Texas, but is in some Counties. I think GA was the only state I saw that used it in 100% of Counties. Most were scattered here and there across counties with other voting systems.

Texas' review of Dominion last year:

https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/forms/sysexam/oct2019-sneeringer.pdf

Here is what the review concluded:

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I like the idea of using COTS components to save taxpayer money, and Dominion has done a good job of finding COTS components and minimizing the number of custom components. Nevertheless, I cannot recommend certification. Computer systems should be designed to prevent or detect human error whenever possible and minimize the consequences of both human mistakes and equipment failure. Instead the Democracy Suite 5.5-A is fragile and error prone. In my opinion it should not be certified for use in Texas.
If certification should be granted, it should be with the condition that all open network and USB ports be sealed.

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War Damn Turtle!

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Does this mean anything if somehow both Democrats win the GA runoff elections?

The new senate hasn't even been sworn in yet. This is purely speculation at this point.

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I've been following that house race, and it has been bouncing back and forth between the two candidates as they update votes.

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A federal judge on Sunday expressed serious concerns about Georgia's new election system but declined to order the state to abandon its touchscreen voting machines in favor of hand-marked paper ballots for the November election.

The ruling came in a lawsuit filed by voting integrity activists that challenges the election system the state bought last year from Dominion Voting Systems for more than $100 million. The activists argued that the system places an unconstitutional burden on the right to vote because voters cannot be confident their vote is accurately counted.

State officials argued that Georgia has significantly updated and secured its election infrastructure in recent years, and that the new machines have been thoroughly tested and that security measures will prevent problems. They also said last-minute changes would be extremely costly and difficult to implement in time.

In-person early voting begins Monday and Election Day is just over three weeks away.

The new election system uses touchscreen voting machines known as ballot-marking devices or BMDs to print a paper ballot with a barcode that is read by a scanner. The activists' challenge "presents serious system security vulnerability and operational issues that may place Plaintiffs and other voters at risk of deprivation of their fundamental right to cast an effective vote that is accurately counted," U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg wrote in a 147-page order issued Sunday night.

"The Court's Order has delved deep into the true risks posed by the new BMD voting system as well as its manner of implementation," Totenberg wrote. "These risks are neither hypothetical nor remote under the current circumstances."

The activists have shown that equipment and voter registration database problems during pilot elections last year and this year's June primary and August runoff elections "caused severe breakdowns at the polls, severely burdening voters' exercise of the franchise."

But the judge noted that U.S. Supreme Court precedent recognizes states' "authority and power to regulate their elections and the voting process itself" and acknowledged that the high court has repeatedly said in recent months that lower courts must use great restraint in ordering any substantial changes so close to an election.

"Implementation of such a sudden systemic change under these circumstances cannot but cause voter confusion and some real measure of electoral disruption," she wrote.

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For those reasons, Totenberg wrote, she must deny the activists' request for an immediate replacement of the new voting system with one that uses hand-marked paper ballots. But she wared that "the vital issues identified in this case will not disappear or be appropriately addressed without focused State attention, resources, ongoing serious evaluation by independent cybersecurity experts, and open-mindedness."

"We are deeply disappointed that Georgia voters will be voting in this important election on unreliable touchscreen machines that produce results that cannot be audited," Marilyn Marks, executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, a plaintiff in the suit, said in an email.

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That was in mid October this year. In essence, the case against the integrity of the Dominion election software and system has already been made. The proof is there and has been since before the election.

My mind has been going into some very dark places in recent days on exactly why this was allowed to happen and happen basically in the open. Then Barr suddenly reverses DOJ's policy on investigating election crimes yesterday? Has a 30 minute meeting with McConnell yesterday? McConnell comes out strong in support of Trump in the well of the Senate a short time later?

DOJ Election Crimes head resigns this morning?

Something's up.

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Hopefully a trap has been sprung and the moronic dems walked straight into it.

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A federal judge on Sunday expressed serious concerns about Georgia's new election system but declined to order the state to abandon its touchscreen voting machines in favor of hand-marked paper ballots for the November election.

The ruling came in a lawsuit filed by voting integrity activists that challenges the election system the state bought last year from Dominion Voting Systems for more than $100 million. The activists argued that the system places an unconstitutional burden on the right to vote because voters cannot be confident their vote is accurately counted.

State officials argued that Georgia has significantly updated and secured its election infrastructure in recent years, and that the new machines have been thoroughly tested and that security measures will prevent problems. They also said last-minute changes would be extremely costly and difficult to implement in time.

In-person early voting begins Monday and Election Day is just over three weeks away.

The new election system uses touchscreen voting machines known as ballot-marking devices or BMDs to print a paper ballot with a barcode that is read by a scanner. The activists' challenge "presents serious system security vulnerability and operational issues that may place Plaintiffs and other voters at risk of deprivation of their fundamental right to cast an effective vote that is accurately counted," U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg wrote in a 147-page order issued Sunday night.

"The Court's Order has delved deep into the true risks posed by the new BMD voting system as well as its manner of implementation," Totenberg wrote. "These risks are neither hypothetical nor remote under the current circumstances."

The activists have shown that equipment and voter registration database problems during pilot elections last year and this year's June primary and August runoff elections "caused severe breakdowns at the polls, severely burdening voters' exercise of the franchise."

But the judge noted that U.S. Supreme Court precedent recognizes states' "authority and power to regulate their elections and the voting process itself" and acknowledged that the high court has repeatedly said in recent months that lower courts must use great restraint in ordering any substantial changes so close to an election.

"Implementation of such a sudden systemic change under these circumstances cannot but cause voter confusion and some real measure of electoral disruption," she wrote.

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For those reasons, Totenberg wrote, she must deny the activists' request for an immediate replacement of the new voting system with one that uses hand-marked paper ballots. But she wared that "the vital issues identified in this case will not disappear or be appropriately addressed without focused State attention, resources, ongoing serious evaluation by independent cybersecurity experts, and open-mindedness."

"We are deeply disappointed that Georgia voters will be voting in this important election on unreliable touchscreen machines that produce results that cannot be audited," Marilyn Marks, executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, a plaintiff in the suit, said in an email.

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AP

That was in mid October this year. In essence, the case against the integrity of the Dominion election software and system has already been made. The proof is there and has been since before the election.

My mind has been going into some very dark places in recent days on exactly why this was allowed to happen and happen basically in the open. Then Barr suddenly reverses DOJ's policy on investigating election crimes yesterday? Has a 30 minute meeting with McConnell yesterday? McConnell comes out strong in support of Trump in the well of the Senate a short time later?

DOJ Election Crimes head resigns this morning?

Something's up.

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Hopefully a trap has been sprung and the moronic dems walked straight into it.

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#draintheswamp

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Rudy Giuliani has been attacked as a buffoon, yet he took down the mafia through RICO. Is it a coincidence that he leads Trump's legal team against voter fraud? My thought is that much of their efforts was just setting up an exploitable system, and indirectly guiding people to exploit it. Though, I'm not sure if they reached the scale necessary through individual actors. Perhaps they had insurance just in case and ultimately had to use it. I think the number of people required to coordinate and pull off something at the 100k+ votes in each of several states would result in activity signalling their intentions. If that occurred, is there any hope that the DOJ could have obtained a legal basis for surveillance and done so without internal sympathizers leaking that information?

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I really can't speculate on any actual surveillance having taken place. But can't rule it out.

And I agree there were probably some cushion for Biden already built into the system. And the bigger than expected Trump turnout on election caught them by surprise and they had to scramble. But when you look at hotbeds of fraud like Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, etc. those election workers have never been averse to cheating before anyway. Do as they are told.

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Well.. he was right about the vaccine after all..

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FOX has already said this didn't happen. Just like in Arizona, they don't need to see the results.

ClutchCityAg said:

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Well.. he was right about the vaccine after all..

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I was thinking this last night listening to news.. no outlet would ever dream about bringing it up that he said in the debates that a vaccine would be here soon.

You watch it'll distribute Feb 1 and Biden will be the hero.

A handy dandy guide to spotting vote rigging....in Africa...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37243190

Agreed, I think Trump relishes a worthy fight.

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Where are those revised counts published? I can't find that data anywhere outside of random Twitter accounts.

I don't see it. His ego is to big to risk the presidency.

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They can ask all they want. We'll see if they do it without a court order, though.

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Imagine this scenario. Barr and Trump are having a conversation about election security about six months ago.

Barr asks Trump: Mr. President? What would you say if there might be a way to get Soros, and maybe the Clinton Foundation, possibly Pelosi and Feinstein too, but it may cost you the election in the short term?

Do you think Trump would take that gamble? I do.

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I do believe this is a possibility....

For a moment lets take the given as true. Knowing if they used vote changing software and the results would be very close, did the Democrats not think Trump would ask for manual recounts which would blow them up completely? To me this would have to be complete stupidity on their part (not out of the question), desperation thinking this was the only hope, or they didn't anticipate having to use it so widespread....and that the media would cover (as they are currently doing).

I just have a hard time believing that they would be able to use something like that to win by a slim margin and that Trump wouldn't challenge and be like "oh well, fun while it lasted, good job Joe"

But it never fails, every time I think liberals are too smart to do something so stupid they have never ceased to amaze me.

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They need a big smoking gun. Hope someone finds it.

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That's just it. I think Dominion is the big smoking gun.

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