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A federal judge on Sunday expressed serious concerns about Georgia's new election system but declined to order the state to abandon its touchscreen voting machines in favor of hand-marked paper ballots for the November election.
The ruling came in a lawsuit filed by voting integrity activists that challenges the election system the state bought last year from Dominion Voting Systems for more than $100 million. The activists argued that the system places an unconstitutional burden on the right to vote because voters cannot be confident their vote is accurately counted.
State officials argued that Georgia has significantly updated and secured its election infrastructure in recent years, and that the new machines have been thoroughly tested and that security measures will prevent problems. They also said last-minute changes would be extremely costly and difficult to implement in time.
In-person early voting begins Monday and Election Day is just over three weeks away.
The new election system uses touchscreen voting machines known as ballot-marking devices or BMDs to print a paper ballot with a barcode that is read by a scanner. The activists' challenge "presents serious system security vulnerability and operational issues that may place Plaintiffs and other voters at risk of deprivation of their fundamental right to cast an effective vote that is accurately counted," U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg wrote in a 147-page order issued Sunday night.
"The Court's Order has delved deep into the true risks posed by the new BMD voting system as well as its manner of implementation," Totenberg wrote. "These risks are neither hypothetical nor remote under the current circumstances."
The activists have shown that equipment and voter registration database problems during pilot elections last year and this year's June primary and August runoff elections "caused severe breakdowns at the polls, severely burdening voters' exercise of the franchise."
But the judge noted that U.S. Supreme Court precedent recognizes states' "authority and power to regulate their elections and the voting process itself" and acknowledged that the high court has repeatedly said in recent months that lower courts must use great restraint in ordering any substantial changes so close to an election.
"Implementation of such a sudden systemic change under these circumstances cannot but cause voter confusion and some real measure of electoral disruption," she wrote.
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For those reasons, Totenberg wrote, she must deny the activists' request for an immediate replacement of the new voting system with one that uses hand-marked paper ballots. But she wared that "the vital issues identified in this case will not disappear or be appropriately addressed without focused State attention, resources, ongoing serious evaluation by independent cybersecurity experts, and open-mindedness."
"We are deeply disappointed that Georgia voters will be voting in this important election on unreliable touchscreen machines that produce results that cannot be audited," Marilyn Marks, executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, a plaintiff in the suit, said in an email.
That was in mid October this year. In essence, the case against the integrity of the Dominion election software and system has already been made. The proof is there and has been since before the election.
My mind has been going into some very dark places in recent days on exactly why this was allowed to happen and happen basically in the open. Then Barr suddenly reverses DOJ's policy on investigating election crimes yesterday? Has a 30 minute meeting with McConnell yesterday? McConnell comes out strong in support of Trump in the well of the Senate a short time later?
DOJ Election Crimes head resigns this morning?
Something's up.
Help me connect the dots? What do you think is up?aggiehawg said:Quote:
A federal judge on Sunday expressed serious concerns about Georgia's new election system but declined to order the state to abandon its touchscreen voting machines in favor of hand-marked paper ballots for the November election.
The ruling came in a lawsuit filed by voting integrity activists that challenges the election system the state bought last year from Dominion Voting Systems for more than $100 million. The activists argued that the system places an unconstitutional burden on the right to vote because voters cannot be confident their vote is accurately counted.
State officials argued that Georgia has significantly updated and secured its election infrastructure in recent years, and that the new machines have been thoroughly tested and that security measures will prevent problems. They also said last-minute changes would be extremely costly and difficult to implement in time.
In-person early voting begins Monday and Election Day is just over three weeks away.
The new election system uses touchscreen voting machines known as ballot-marking devices or BMDs to print a paper ballot with a barcode that is read by a scanner. The activists' challenge "presents serious system security vulnerability and operational issues that may place Plaintiffs and other voters at risk of deprivation of their fundamental right to cast an effective vote that is accurately counted," U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg wrote in a 147-page order issued Sunday night.
"The Court's Order has delved deep into the true risks posed by the new BMD voting system as well as its manner of implementation," Totenberg wrote. "These risks are neither hypothetical nor remote under the current circumstances."
The activists have shown that equipment and voter registration database problems during pilot elections last year and this year's June primary and August runoff elections "caused severe breakdowns at the polls, severely burdening voters' exercise of the franchise."
But the judge noted that U.S. Supreme Court precedent recognizes states' "authority and power to regulate their elections and the voting process itself" and acknowledged that the high court has repeatedly said in recent months that lower courts must use great restraint in ordering any substantial changes so close to an election.
"Implementation of such a sudden systemic change under these circumstances cannot but cause voter confusion and some real measure of electoral disruption," she wrote.APQuote:
For those reasons, Totenberg wrote, she must deny the activists' request for an immediate replacement of the new voting system with one that uses hand-marked paper ballots. But she wared that "the vital issues identified in this case will not disappear or be appropriately addressed without focused State attention, resources, ongoing serious evaluation by independent cybersecurity experts, and open-mindedness."
"We are deeply disappointed that Georgia voters will be voting in this important election on unreliable touchscreen machines that produce results that cannot be audited," Marilyn Marks, executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, a plaintiff in the suit, said in an email.
That was in mid October this year. In essence, the case against the integrity of the Dominion election software and system has already been made. The proof is there and has been since before the election.
My mind has been going into some very dark places in recent days on exactly why this was allowed to happen and happen basically in the open. Then Barr suddenly reverses DOJ's policy on investigating election crimes yesterday? Has a 30 minute meeting with McConnell yesterday? McConnell comes out strong in support of Trump in the well of the Senate a short time later?
DOJ Election Crimes head resigns this morning?
Something's up.
I second this. Is this a good thing or bad in your opinion?
Dammit, counselor, give us your opinion! Good or bad, where do you see this thing heading?
Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception.
I'll toss in here. I think it's headed in a good way. That meeting with Mitch followed by his strongly-worded support tells me they have what they need and that S will HTF sooner than later. They know what they have and the deadlines they have to work with, so it's on and going to be moving fast.
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
MooreTrucker said:
I'll toss in here. I think it's headed in a good way. That meeting with Mitch followed by his strongly-worded support tells me they have what they need and that S will HTF sooner than later. They know what they have and the deadlines they have to work with, so it's on and going to be moving fast.
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
I like your thinking. Hoping there's something there.
"probably" is guaranteed to be 100% lack of satisfaction.Quote:
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
The only time any government will move quickly is to make sure their taxpayer funded paycheck arrived in their checking account overnight.
MooreTrucker said:
I'll toss in here. I think it's headed in a good way. That meeting with Mitch followed by his strongly-worded support tells me they have what they need and that S will HTF sooner than later. They know what they have and the deadlines they have to work with, so it's on and going to be moving fast.
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
Forgive my ignorance. What is HTF? Also, which R Congresspeople are on board with McConnell? Have we seen, or has anyone quickly compiled, a list? This is, without question, bigger than either party but it'll be wholly on the R's to push it forward, time for them to nut up.
Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception.
Bear with me here because I'm just beginning to look at things from a different perspective from the last week. A poster asked me a question about RICO on an unrelated matter in the Mueller thread this morning. That redirected my thinking and Barr suddenly coming out of the shadows yesterday became significant to me. You might want some tin foil handy because this is approaching Clancy level of plot lines but here we go.Nitro Power said:
I second this. Is this a good thing or bad in your opinion?
Most states use a form of lowest bidder when letting out contracts, including voting systems. So a heavily subsidized company with connections like Dominion can easily be the lowest bidder because being profitable is not the goal. Controlling the counting of the votes is the goal. With me so far?
So despite the vulnerabilities that individual states identified during their vetting process (such as it may be in various states) Dominion can make the promises to fix it, maybe drop the terms of their bid to be more attractive. I read there was a late night election eve "update" in Georgia, IIRC. Something that should have alerted election authorities unless they were expecting it, perhaps?
So Dominion is successful in being utilized in 30+ states (Texas not being one of them, thank God.) More than enough to tip the scales and change the outcome of the election.
Has Barr been aware of the problems with Dominion for some time and was just waiting to see if they would do it on election day? Did he set a trap for them? And that's why he met with McConnell yesterday? And Barr's own DOJ Election Crimes head was kept out of the loop? So he resigned?
Again, a lot of dots and not sure they can be directly connected but it is intriguing to think about.
My guess is "hit the fan"...Quote:
What is HTF?
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What is HTF?
Hit the fan.
you can figure out what "S" is now I suspect.
Will businesses have time to prepare for riots?
This is how I feel too.MooreTrucker said:
I'll toss in here. I think it's headed in a good way. That meeting with Mitch followed by his strongly-worded support tells me they have what they need and that S will HTF sooner than later. They know what they have and the deadlines they have to work with, so it's on and going to be moving fast.
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
Mitch by all measures is highly PC and speaks in D.C. all the time.
His little speech on the floor tells me there's something here. Follow it up with Lindsey going on tv and saying that if Trump doesn't fight this, there will never be another Republican president.
Not exactly PC waffling by those two with their statements.
Throw in his meeting with Barr before giving that speech and the plot thickens. Barr suddenly reemerging and greasing the skids for his US Attorneys to pursue election issues without having to check with Main Justice first is his way of unleashing the hounds.AG 2000' said:This is how I feel too.MooreTrucker said:
I'll toss in here. I think it's headed in a good way. That meeting with Mitch followed by his strongly-worded support tells me they have what they need and that S will HTF sooner than later. They know what they have and the deadlines they have to work with, so it's on and going to be moving fast.
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
Mitch by all measures is highly PC and speaks in D.C. all the time.
His little speech on the floor tells me there's something here. Follow it up with Lindsey going on tv and saying that if Trump doesn't fight this, there will never be another Republican president.
Not exactly PC waffling by those two with their statements.
aggiehawg said:Throw in his meeting with Barr before giving that speech and the plot thickens. Barr suddenly reemerging and greasing the skids for his US Attorneys to pursue election issues without having to check with Main Justice first is his way of unleashing the hounds.AG 2000' said:This is how I feel too.MooreTrucker said:
I'll toss in here. I think it's headed in a good way. That meeting with Mitch followed by his strongly-worded support tells me they have what they need and that S will HTF sooner than later. They know what they have and the deadlines they have to work with, so it's on and going to be moving fast.
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
Mitch by all measures is highly PC and speaks in D.C. all the time.
His little speech on the floor tells me there's something here. Follow it up with Lindsey going on tv and saying that if Trump doesn't fight this, there will never be another Republican president.
Not exactly PC waffling by those two with their statements.
I'll admit this would be a bomb ass movie if entertainment was controlled and owned by Hollywood and China
But curious how this ties into other states and AGs jumping on board with the law suits??
Should we expect more "red" states to get on board using Dominion voting systems?
They need a big smoking gun. Hope someone finds it.
I would assume so. It is premature at this point but one thing to keep in mind is that RICO isn't just a criminal statute, it has civil remedies as well when racketeering conduct affects business relationships, such as letting a contract for a Dominion voting system state wide.Agvet12 said:aggiehawg said:Throw in his meeting with Barr before giving that speech and the plot thickens. Barr suddenly reemerging and greasing the skids for his US Attorneys to pursue election issues without having to check with Main Justice first is his way of unleashing the hounds.AG 2000' said:This is how I feel too.MooreTrucker said:
I'll toss in here. I think it's headed in a good way. That meeting with Mitch followed by his strongly-worded support tells me they have what they need and that S will HTF sooner than later. They know what they have and the deadlines they have to work with, so it's on and going to be moving fast.
("Fast" in legal and government terms, of course, which is probably not as fast as we would like)
Mitch by all measures is highly PC and speaks in D.C. all the time.
His little speech on the floor tells me there's something here. Follow it up with Lindsey going on tv and saying that if Trump doesn't fight this, there will never be another Republican president.
Not exactly PC waffling by those two with their statements.
I'll admit this would be a bomb ass movie if entertainment was controlled and owned by Hollywood and China
But curious how this ties into other states and AGs jumping on board with the law suits??
Should we expect more "red" states to get on board using Dominion voting systems?
I'm actually thankful for the "this claim of election fraud is disputed" messages now. It helps me find the more important tweets faster.
That's just it. I think Dominion is the big smoking gun.FriscoKid said:
They need a big smoking gun. Hope someone finds it.
Can Dominion be linked to every single state where there are major questions in the authenticity of the vote in this current election?aggiehawg said:That's just it. I think Dominion is the big smoking gun.FriscoKid said:
They need a big smoking gun. Hope someone finds it.
FireAg said:Can Dominion be linked to every single state where there are major questions in the authenticity of the vote in this current election?aggiehawg said:That's just it. I think Dominion is the big smoking gun.FriscoKid said:
They need a big smoking gun. Hope someone finds it.
I would think it's verifiable on which states use them? Their records should indicate it - and we know MI, GA use them
Rumors of AZ and NV being 2 others - and the rumor was a total of 30 states?
FireAg said:Can Dominion be linked to every single state where there are major questions in the authenticity of the vote in this current election?aggiehawg said:That's just it. I think Dominion is the big smoking gun.FriscoKid said:
They need a big smoking gun. Hope someone finds it.
Evidently, yes. There's a map somewhere. It appears Dominion is used in 100% of the Counties in GA.
Here's a map from Dominion's website. Every state highlighted grey uses the software to some extent.
https://www.dominionvoting.com/about/
And how it came to be used in Georgia has quite the back story.txaggie_08 said:FireAg said:Can Dominion be linked to every single state where there are major questions in the authenticity of the vote in this current election?aggiehawg said:That's just it. I think Dominion is the big smoking gun.FriscoKid said:
They need a big smoking gun. Hope someone finds it.
Evidently, yes. There's a map somewhere. It appears Dominion is used in 100% of the Counties in GA.
From 2019.
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Days after a federal judge in Georgia ordered the state to stop using its outdated voting system, a new lawsuit may force the state to scrap its $107 million replacement as well.
In the 153-page ruling released Thursday, Judge Amy Totenberg called Georgia's 17-year-old voting technology "seriously flawed, and vulnerable to failure, breach, contamination and attack." Voter advocates believe the new system could be too.
Last month, following years of accusations and lawsuits, the state signed a contract with Dominion Voting to supply 30,000 new voting machines that will print out paper ballots, and hopefully make Georgia's election results more verifiable.
But the lawsuit filed yesterday says Dominion's ballots may not do enough to prevent election fraud, according to a report by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
Georgia's election system has faced multiple lawsuits since 2017, when the Department of Homeland Security announced that Russian hackers had sought to interfere with voting systems in 21 states during the 2016 presidential election. Though Georgia officials denied that they were among the states targeted, their claims turned out to be false.
Anyone surprised?Quote:
The state faced renewed scrutiny following its 2018 gubernatorial elections, when Georgia Election Commissioner Brian Kemp beat Democratic candidate Stacey Abrams. Kemp resigned his role as election commissioner two days after the election.
Abrams went on to found a non-profit, Fair Fight Action, and filed a lawsuit against the state board of elections citing voter suppression tactics including "voter purges, registration applications put on hold, Election Day troubles at predominantly non-white voting precincts, and problems with voters' absentee and provisional ballots" according to reporting by Vox.
https://www.newsweek.com/new-lawsuit-may-scrap-georgias-reformed-voting-system-ahead-2020-primary-1454866
[url=https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-georgia-lawsuits-voting-rights-elections-e98f55c4dec76272c1503fbe41f0cd15][/url]
I have no idea if the actual results of the election will change, and it feels like the rest of the world has their blinders on and wants Biden to be the winner...but my gut tells me this isn't over yet and there's a lot more to the story.
Everything just feels way too convenient and forced.
Something is definitely going on.Quote:
AP
That was in mid October this year. In essence, the case against the integrity of the Dominion election software and system has already been made. The proof is there and has been since before the election.
My mind has been going into some very dark places in recent days on exactly why this was allowed to happen and happen basically in the open. Then Barr suddenly reverses DOJ's policy on investigating election crimes yesterday? Has a 30 minute meeting with McConnell yesterday? McConnell comes out strong in support of Trump in the well of the Senate a short time later?
DOJ Election Crimes head resigns this morning?
Something's up.
I have no idea if the actual results of the election will change, and it feels like the rest of the world has their blinders on and wants Biden to be the winner...but my gut tells me this isn't over yet and there's a lot more to the story.
Everything just feels way too convenient and forced.
So that explains the vast expansion of "swing states" in the 2020 election cycle. The fix was in.Aggie369 said:
If it (Dominion) was extensively used in CA and they find more 'glitches'... could Repubs flip the house??
Let it ride
Explains why the pollsters consistently got it so far wrong. Not that they would be informed that the Dems had backdoors in every state with the Dominion voting system but select people in the Biden campaign would have been wink, wink, nod, nod assured it "was under control."Gigem314 said:
[url=https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-georgia-lawsuits-voting-rights-elections-e98f55c4dec76272c1503fbe41f0cd15][/url]Something is definitely going on.Quote:
AP
That was in mid October this year. In essence, the case against the integrity of the Dominion election software and system has already been made. The proof is there and has been since before the election.
My mind has been going into some very dark places in recent days on exactly why this was allowed to happen and happen basically in the open. Then Barr suddenly reverses DOJ's policy on investigating election crimes yesterday? Has a 30 minute meeting with McConnell yesterday? McConnell comes out strong in support of Trump in the well of the Senate a short time later?
DOJ Election Crimes head resigns this morning?
Something's up.
I have no idea if the actual results of the election will change, and it feels like the rest of the world has their blinders on and wants Biden to be the winner...but my gut tells me this isn't over yet and there's a lot more to the story.
Everything just feels way too convenient and forced.
Are you sure about that? I looked up what the machine supposedly look like and it looks similar to the one i fed my ballot into in travis county.aggiehawg said:Bear with me here because I'm just beginning to look at things from a different perspective from the last week. A poster asked me a question about RICO on an unrelated matter in the Mueller thread this morning. That redirected my thinking and Barr suddenly coming out of the shadows yesterday became significant to me. You might want some tin foil handy because this is approaching Clancy level of plot lines but here we go.Nitro Power said:
I second this. Is this a good thing or bad in your opinion?
Most states use a form of lowest bidder when letting out contracts, including voting systems. So a heavily subsidized company with connections like Dominion can easily be the lowest bidder because being profitable is not the goal. Controlling the counting of the votes is the goal. With me so far?
So despite the vulnerabilities that individual states identified during their vetting process (such as it may be in various states) Dominion can make the promises to fix it, maybe drop the terms of their bid to be more attractive. I read there was a late night election eve "update" in Georgia, IIRC. Something that should have alerted election authorities unless they were expecting it, perhaps?
So Dominion is successful in being utilized in 30+ states (Texas not being one of them, thank God.) More than enough to tip the scales and change the outcome of the election.
Has Barr been aware of the problems with Dominion for some time and was just waiting to see if they would do it on election day? Did he set a trap for them? And that's why he met with McConnell yesterday? And Barr's own DOJ Election Crimes head was kept out of the loop? So he resigned?
Again, a lot of dots and not sure they can be directly connected but it is intriguing to think about.
Granted, I didnt pay particularly close attention to it at the time, so it may just look similar.
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