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PJYoung said:

A is A said:

came to post Pad Cleared - You are fast!

Just a slow day at the office.

I had no idea they were doing this:



One more picture of the StarBar

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Maximus_Meridius said:



I watched it land, and the whole time I was expecting an explosion. When it didn't, I kinda sat there with a "Huh, they actually did it" kinda look on my face. I'm not really surprised per se, I knew they would eventually, I just didn't think SN15 would be the one. Kinda figured it'd be 16 or 17.

Insane:

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aTmAg said:

I was wondering how they expect to use starship as a lunar lander along with SLS. And I found this:


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The plan calls for NASA to send four astronauts aboard the Lockheed Martin-built Orion spacecraft on a multi-day journey to the moon's orbit. Then two crew members will transfer to SpaceX's lander for their descent to the lunar surface. After a week exploring the moon, they'll board the lander to return to Orion and head back to Earth.
That sounds asinine. So they are going to use a 100% reusable rocket to get a huge lander in lunar orbit. Then spend $2B to fly a small Orion to meet up with the huge lander. Transfer people, and then land?
I'm hoping the absurdity of this becomes more and more apparent as we get closer. Especially when Elon starts sending paying customers to the moon while waiting on SLS to get its **** together.
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I'm honestly shocked no one has made the Hitler parody video with subtitles like we used to see back in the day. Bezos walks in and just *****es and throws a hissy fit at his staff.

If someone here is witty enough you should def do it and post.
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Well, yeah, sure, but SLS just takes that long to assemble/validate after a test fire. (actually, 4 months longer). I notice the Chicom's aren't copying SLS, either.

I miss one day here and I'm like 3 pages behind. Timing is everything.

Curious if they fly SN15 again. Over on another forum only about 40 percent seem to think this happens. I dunno, but hope it does.




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I doubt they will, I bet the raptors will go back to either Hawthorne or at least McGregor for testing and they'd want to inspect all of the pressurized tanks.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them do a cryo test with it though before it's scrapped.
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V8Aggie said:

I'm honestly shocked no one has made the Hitler parody video with subtitles like we used to see back in the day. Bezos walks in and just *****es and throws a hissy fit at his staff.

If someone here is witty enough you should def do it and post.



I think that meme got cancelled
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Oh FFS
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Stolen from Reddit - this is SpaceX's 19th anniversary:



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bthotugigem05 said:

I doubt they will, I bet the raptors will go back to either Hawthorne or at least McGregor for testing and they'd want to inspect all of the pressurized tanks.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them do a cryo test with it though before it's scrapped.
Probably, though they've test fired Raptors for longer/multiple times quite often.

At some point, it will probably be in a spy book (or real life) about a gooseneck trailer being hijacked close to the Mexican border and then the raptors smuggled to China for nefarious purposes. Heck, maybe add on a Falcon 9 being smuggled out via Canada too.
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So when is the next one
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PJYoung said:




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Are those TPS carbon tiles? Test run to see how they performed on launch vibe loads?
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Yes
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JobSecurity said:

So when is the next one


Well this one didn't blow up, so it's gonna take longer to clear the pad.
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Road closure for a couple hours tomorrow, guessing that's to move SN15 back to high bay.
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They've actually had patches of them on all the prototypes, just 3xpanded the patch this time.
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Pardon my ignorance but why do they have to close the road to move it back to the high bay?
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The manufacturing site is about 2 miles away from the launch site along state highway 4. Since it's a public road that connects Brownsville to Boca Chica Beach (which is a state park), they have to do official road closures when they're moving stuff back and forth.
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Nice trade off though, from what I understand they've massively improved the road and made the beach more accessible sans the occasional closure.

They have to keep the manufacturing far enough away to be out of the blast zone for a RUD, which is why they couldn't use 39a to launch them.
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bthotugigem05 said:

I doubt they will, I bet the raptors will go back to either Hawthorne or at least McGregor for testing and they'd want to inspect all of the pressurized tanks.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them do a cryo test with it though before it's scrapped.


And then Elon says they might refly SN15 soon.
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Why not? Try to land closer to the middle of the pad. Try to make it softer. Test the tiles more. Etc. It makes sense that a program that is trying to create fully reusable rockets would reuse it's test rockets as much as possible. Get as many safe landings under their belt as they can.
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The real question now becomes what do they do to fly it again? I'd guess at least replace the little legs, swap the engines (do a full/thorough analysis), check what the fire after was from/damage, do another couple of static fires/proofs, and of course they'll want to do a detailed inspection of the tiles prior to sending up again.
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Our buddy Scott has his take of it up:

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nortex97 said:

The real question now becomes what do they do to fly it again? I'd guess at least replace the little legs, swap the engines (do a full/thorough analysis), check what the fire after was from/damage, do another couple of static fires/proofs, and of course they'll want to do a detailed inspection of the tiles prior to sending up again.
Yeah, I think they do all of that (maybe not replace the engines), and do software updates and try again.
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nortex97 said:

The real question now becomes what do they do to fly it again? I'd guess at least replace the little legs, swap the engines (do a full/thorough analysis), check what the fire after was from/damage, do another couple of static fires/proofs, and of course they'll want to do a detailed inspection of the tiles prior to sending up again.
Just fill'er up and go higher next time.
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Legs definitely look a little 'squashed.'

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I believe that is by design. I'm not sure why.. surely they aren't going to use those on Mars?
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How can we create a robotic mechanism that can land on Mars a few month before starship that's capable of building a rudimentary landing pad?

The robot bring along some cement, finds out how to make the Martian dirt into concrete, pulls water out of the atmosphere and slowly but surely 'paves' a basic pad for starship to land on.
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aTmAg said:

I believe that is by design. I'm not sure why.. surely they aren't going to use those on Mars?
Yes, the crush legs used on these proof of concept vehicles are far from a final design solution, so to speak. Some theorize about the F9 legs being built on a larger scale but those don't have to deal with re-entry and you're then talking about 12 or more tons so I doubt it. How they'll work/land on Mars is a big question mark, or rather what type of leg system they'll use.
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Just wanted to reiterate how much I enjoy this thread. It's fun talking space with so many cool people from all walks of life and varying levels of expertise. We're in historic times!
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You would think that it actually wouldn't be that hard.

Finding a spot that is mostly level might actually be the hardest part. You wouldn't want the robot to have to level/grade off a large area then make the pad.

You'd want it to be able to just get to work.

Team of robots.
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Malachi Constant said:

How can we create a robotic mechanism that can land on Mars a few month before starship that's capable of building a rudimentary landing pad?

The robot bring along some cement, finds out how to make the Martian dirt into concrete, pulls water out of the atmosphere and slowly but surely 'paves' a basic pad for starship to land on.
There have been some discussions about building a pad on the moon, either by shipping it there on the first one, or using materiels. I dunno, as part of the goal is to land at different places etc. but the moon is interesting as the gravity is so small, no atmosphere, and a whole lot of dust/rocks will be kicked up if/when they fire up a raptor to leave.
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Malachi Constant said:

How can we create a robotic mechanism that can land on Mars a few month before starship that's capable of building a rudimentary landing pad?

The robot bring along some cement, finds out how to make the Martian dirt into concrete, pulls water out of the atmosphere and slowly but surely 'paves' a basic pad for starship to land on.


Concrete doesn't really work when the ambient temp is around -80*F. You'd need a lot of additives ,blankets, and probably even heaters to start the chemical reactions that actually make concrete and then keep them going until it's cured. You also need the water to maintain its liquid form at -80*F in order to place the concrete.

The atmosphere is incredibly thin and only has trace amounts of water. You'd never get enough for a concrete pad even if you could get the chemistry of the reactions to work.

Assuming you could in fact get the water necessary and land enough additives, insulation blankets, and heaters to start and maintain the reaction, concrete has no tensile strength to speak of. The pad would need to be exceptionally thick to not crack under the weight of a Starship without steel or plastic reinforcement. There are ways that pads and other structures can be formed and structurally sound without steel, but they all require other materials that don't exist on Mars and would need to be brought. Iron is readily available on Mars, but not in any feasibly usable form to make reinforcement there.

And then there's the weight problem. A concrete mixture sans water is going to weigh just under 2 tons per cubic yard. A 100'x100' 6" thick landing pad, which is admittedly probably too thin, would require ~185 cubic yards. So your looking at 300+ tons of concrete. That's several starships worth of cargo, plus the extra starships to refuel those going to Mars. Then you need the robot(s).




Really the best solution would be pouring some kind of epoxy resin over/in the soil to lock it into place and just harden it. You'd probably need to dig down mix it in though. A thin layer wouldn't support anything or last long enough to provide value for what or would take to get the materials there. We have vehicles here on earth that do something similar, tearing up soil and mixing in additives like lime to stabilize it before base or a road is put over it. That said, you're still looking at very, very heavy machinery and a lot of materials.
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