NASA still needs Starliner to complete its initial 3 crewed flights, to the degree I wouldn't be shocked if NASA helped pay for another test flight.
The first Starships to Mars will launch in 2 years when the next Earth-Mars transfer window opens.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 7, 2024
These will be uncrewed to test the reliability of landing intact on Mars. If those landings go well, then the first crewed flights to Mars will be in 4 years.
Flight rate will… https://t.co/ZuiM00dpe9
bthotugigem05 said:
I think one thruster failed, but the redundancy covered for it. Clickbaiters and ragebaiters are going crazy with Starliner because everyone wants a pound of flesh from Boeing right now.
NASA still needs Starliner to complete its initial 3 crewed flights, to the degree I wouldn't be shocked if NASA helped pay for another test flight.
Max payload to standard Earth reference orbit is actually ~180 tons for Starship when it is fully reusable and ~300 tons if expendable. Latter number is the apples-to-apples number comparing Starship to Saturn V.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 7, 2024
>100 tons to the Starlink orbit is the operational spec minimum.
I feel confident they want tower 2 in a state that would allow them to resume launches quickly or atleast a few months from completion should tower 1 get decimated like people are worrying
— Niall Anderson (@INiallAnderson) August 29, 2024
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I feel confident they want tower 2 in a state that would allow them to resume launches quickly or atleast a few months from completion should tower 1 get decimated like people are worrying
TexAgs91 said:
If the first launch tower is decimated the FAA will make sure they will not be resuming launches quickly.
Kceovaisnt- said:TexAgs91 said:
If the first launch tower is decimated the FAA will make sure they will not be resuming launches quickly.
Can you expand on this thought?
Kenneth_2003 said:bthotugigem05 said:
I think one thruster failed, but the redundancy covered for it. Clickbaiters and ragebaiters are going crazy with Starliner because everyone wants a pound of flesh from Boeing right now.
NASA still needs Starliner to complete its initial 3 crewed flights, to the degree I wouldn't be shocked if NASA helped pay for another test flight.
I don't disagree NASA wants and probably needs Starliner. Boeing certainly needs it.
But NASA has shown they are not going to let Boeing say backups working is a success.
Starliner was, until it left, the primary emergency evacuation for those two astronauts if it was necessary. So it was obvious NASA trusted Starliners backup systems to being the crew home safely. And let's face it, if ISS were being evacuated the Starliners backups were better than unsuited on a cargo pallet in Dragon.
But the backups aren't the primary. NASA has shown by their decisions in this situation they want primary systems for primary missions.
Such a public rapid unscheduled disassembly would get the pearl clutchers, Elon haters and environmentalists all up in arms and there would undoubtably be a lengthy investigation by the EPA and FAA. SpaceX would probably have time to build 4 more launch towers while that plays out.Kceovaisnt- said:TexAgs91 said:
If the first launch tower is decimated the FAA will make sure they will not be resuming launches quickly.
Can you expand on this thought?
Liftoff of Polaris Dawn! pic.twitter.com/hAti2arueX
— SpaceX (@SpaceX) September 10, 2024
TexAgs91 said:
I forget where I heard it, but I heard not later this fall, but "late fall". As in November or December.
FAA and EPA strikes again
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I feel confident they want tower 2 in a state that would allow them to resume launches quickly or atleast a few months from completion should tower 1 get decimated like people are worrying
If the first launch tower is decimated the FAA will make sure they will not be resuming launches quickly.
SpaceX can't fly Starship until November at least.
— Peter Hague (@peterrhague) September 10, 2024
This is nuts. How are 60 month delays to satisfy these requirements even remotely justifiable? pic.twitter.com/OsvZZexLaN
All this does is give some group of government bureaucrats a job for another 60 days and if they can provide comments another 60 days. I have seen projects extend by years solely due to delays like this at the local level.Mr President Elect said:TexAgs91 said:
I forget where I heard it, but I heard not later this fall, but "late fall". As in November or December.
FAA and EPA strikes again
This doesn't make senseQuote:
I feel confident they want tower 2 in a state that would allow them to resume launches quickly or atleast a few months from completion should tower 1 get decimated like people are worrying
If the first launch tower is decimated the FAA will make sure they will not be resuming launches quickly.SpaceX can't fly Starship until November at least.
— Peter Hague (@peterrhague) September 10, 2024
This is nuts. How are 60 month delays to satisfy these requirements even remotely justifiable? pic.twitter.com/OsvZZexLaN
Sorry to get political, but supporting Trump's reelection comes with a price. I seriously doubt supposed concerns about a different landing zone for the hot staging ring or sonic booms have as much to do with the delays as good old fashioned politics.Mr President Elect said:
Elon mentioned it last night, but you would think the longest lead time for rocket launches would be the actual manufacturing of the rocket, not obscure regulatory approvals.
The @PolarisProgram astronaut mission is headed for an altitude 3 times higher than the Space Station, the furthest that humans have been from Earth in over half a century! pic.twitter.com/lYgsA5vMGk
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 10, 2024
aTmAg said:
F the FAA and National Marines Fisheries Service
Supporting the republican nominee isn't a problem. The problem is that democrats have weaponized multiple branches of the government.Ag87H2O said:Sorry to get political, but supporting Trump's reelection comes with a price. I seriously doubt supposed concerns about a different landing zone for the hot staging ring or sonic booms have as much to do with the delays as good old fashioned politics.Mr President Elect said:
Elon mentioned it last night, but you would think the longest lead time for rocket launches would be the actual manufacturing of the rocket, not obscure regulatory approvals.
landed on the drone ship.double aught said:
Great video.
Was the first stage expended?
aezmvp said:
A sonic boom might hurt alllllll the famous local wild life. Now I get that a rocket launch is loud. Best I can find is that the Saturn V was 120 decibels at 1.5 miles. The same as close thunder or a jet. About the same as a tornado. So in an area that routinely sees hurricanes which would be louder with thunder and tornados... WTF. Such crap.
Dragon astronauts are now further from Earth than any humans in over half a century!! https://t.co/WTY9NkBgkX
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 11, 2024
AtlAg05 said:aezmvp said:
A sonic boom might hurt alllllll the famous local wild life. Now I get that a rocket launch is loud. Best I can find is that the Saturn V was 120 decibels at 1.5 miles. The same as close thunder or a jet. About the same as a tornado. So in an area that routinely sees hurricanes which would be louder with thunder and tornados... WTF. Such crap.
The ground tortoises near 39A sure don't seem to mind regular rocket launches well inside the ring that would be dangerous for humans.