Live look with other data:

They can and do still open spillway gates to manage water levels. They can't do that with just the hydro-plant. When you see water projecting from the base of the dam that's spillway/gate operations. The hydro-plant discharge is low energy because they harness all of the energy in the water to spin the turbines.

That's a lot of wet Chinese Drywall!

From the look of those graphs, they've already had to open up everything upstream because they have no reservoir capacity left. It is what it is but damn that's a lot of water when you look at those pictures taken downstream.

Hope your affairs are in order. And grab a life vest.

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How would you like to be working on those trains!

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I bet there's not a single CCP commissar accompanying the brave train operators on those hugely dangerous missions.

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So true. The Japanese at least did that not infrequently. (high rank shared the danger). I wonder what those rail cars are loaded WITH? Its an interesting stunt ---- I have not heard of that being done before, maybe it is something the Chinese have successfully used to save a bridge before? Had never heard of that maneuver.

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Wuhan subway...

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What exactly is this video depicting? Is the inflow of water into the subway pressurizing the air to cause these storefront systems to blow out? Kind of what it looks like.

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What doesn't make sense is water then doesn't come flooding in despite broken glass. There is something strange going on.

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It can make sense if the water is flowing in to a lower level. I'm thinking the water is rapidly flooding a tunnel or chamber compressing trapped air. Perhaps a gate or door of some type gives way due to the increased pressure and results in explosive decompression. The shockwave travels down the tunnel to this area and blows out the windows sequentially as the shockwave passes. The water that originally compressed the air finds another pathway to flow or follows the compressed air shockwave more slowly and doesn't appear in the video. That's my theory.

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Yes, that does make sense of it now, thanks. It was unclear just what it was purporting to show, and the lack of follow up torrent stood out.

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How would you like to be working on those trains!

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I bet there's not a single CCP commissar accompanying the brave train operators on those hugely dangerous missions.

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So true. The Japanese at least did that not infrequently. (high rank shared the danger). I wonder what those rail cars are loaded WITH? Its an interesting stunt ---- I have not heard of that being done before, maybe it is something the Chinese have successfully used to save a bridge before? Had never heard of that maneuver.

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Probably dead Chinese.

Well played, but a bunch of people Beijing had killed I don't think would weigh much. You can't help but wonder what it might be.

This year's monsoon season isn't over and the recent typhoon added to the incredible rain totals.

Meanwhile, records continue to be broken along the Yangtze today: WORSE

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So true. The Japanese at least did that not infrequently. (high rank shared the danger). I wonder what those rail cars are loaded WITH? Its an interesting stunt ---- I have not heard of that being done before, maybe it is something the Chinese have successfully used to save a bridge before? Had never heard of that maneuver.

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I don't think this is going to have much effect. You are basically trying to resist a massive lateral load with a marginal vertical dead load. If the failure was to be in translation, meaning the sliding of the foundation in the direction of the lateral load then maybe this would help a little. But it seems far more likely to me that there would be a failure in bending. That load at the top of the moment arm, a little inertia from the bending action, and some eccentricity also produced by the bending, and I think we might see failure of the tensile side of the columns.

Edit: However, barring some sort of foundation failure, I don't think this bridge collapses unless the water reaches the top or it gets hit by something.

When do the animals start lining up two by two?

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aggiehawg said:

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How would you like to be working on those trains!

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I bet there's not a single CCP commissar accompanying the brave train operators on those hugely dangerous missions.

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So true. The Japanese at least did that not infrequently. (high rank shared the danger). I wonder what those rail cars are loaded WITH? Its an interesting stunt ---- I have not heard of that being done before, maybe it is something the Chinese have successfully used to save a bridge before? Had never heard of that maneuver.

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I don't think this is going to have much effect. You are basically trying to resist a massive lateral load with a marginal vertical dead load. If the failure was to be in translation, meaning the sliding of the foundation in the direction of the lateral load then maybe this would help a little. But it seems far more likely to me that there would be a failure in bending. That load at the top of the moment arm, a little inertia from the bending action, and some eccentricity also produced by the bending, and I think we might see failure of the tensile side of the columns.

Edit: However, barring some sort of foundation failure, I don't think this bridge collapses unless the water reaches the top or it gets hit by something.

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I'm pretty sure it's just chinese propaganda.

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When do the animals start lining up two by two?

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i'm sure the bats have all been moved out of harms way

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HalifaxAg said:

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When do the animals start lining up two by two?

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i'm sure the bats have all been moved out of harms way

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........but what about the people? From the link just above:

"Beijing has limited information on the floods, prompting Chinese users of social media to upload images of downpours destroying towns and villages."

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When do the animals start lining up two by two?

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i'm sure the bats have all been moved out of harms way

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........but what about the people? From the link just above:

"Beijing has limited information on the floods, prompting Chinese users of social media to upload images of downpours destroying towns and villages."

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Xi doesn't care about it's people....he hasn't even visited that area since it started.

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Xi doesn't care about it's people....he hasn't even visited that area since it started.

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Exactly what what would be fixed by Xi flying over the damage in a helicopter and frowning at it?

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Xi doesn't care about it's people....he hasn't even visited that area since it started.

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Exactly what what would be fixed by Xi flying over the damage in a helicopter and frowning at it?

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Xi only cares about the CCP, but he has visited flooded areas. For example from the link just above:

"President Xi Jinping had visited another region of China, Anhui Province, on Tuesday. State media reports 21 rivers in the province have exceeded flood-limit levels."

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The question for me is whether the dam can hold up if it ends up going over the top. I'm not enough of an engineer to run calculations but it would seem that the lateral force at the very top is going to increase dramatically even with a few meters of water running over the top.

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It won't go over the top of the damn. They should have a spillway off to the side so, if the level gets high enough, it will spill over, uncontrolled. It will spill over (uncontrolled) until the level drops back down below the spillway level. It should never go over the top of the damn.

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Water will only go through or over a spillway to the extent that the spillway can handle the volume of water. The Lake Houston Dam is a prime example of this during Harvey - the spillway was exceeded by the volume of water and water was going over the entire length of the dam at the peak.

Y'all can tell me if you agree with this comment, but it's the way I see most dictator/communist countries. There have been some posts about the very high academic achievements of the Chinese college students, which tends to be rote learning. I don't doubt that's the case.

My thought is the difference between high academic achievement and practical application is profoundly different. I'm not saying the Chinese don't have excellent, or quality, STEM employees, or that the 3 Gorges dam wasn't built well, but as a whole, they're not as likely to have the standards, the experience, and certainly regulations from hundreds of years of trial and error.

We screw things up to, but tend to learn from our experience, except politics.

Point being, whether it's the bridge, or a dam, I'm rarely surprised by communists projects being faulty. This applies to millions of bytes of stolen information from America. They still have to know how to apply it.

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Xi doesn't care about it's people....he hasn't even visited that area since it started.

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Exactly what what would be fixed by Xi flying over the damage in a helicopter and frowning at it?

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Xi only cares about the CCP, but he has visited flooded areas. For example from the link just above:

"President Xi Jinping had visited another region of China, Anhui Province, on Tuesday. State media reports 21 rivers in the province have exceeded flood-limit levels."

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My real point is that I despise the mind set that politicians have to "care", and that anything is gained by having them visit disasters.

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Y'all can tell me if you agree with this comment, but it's the way I see most dictator/communist countries. There have been some posts about the very high academic achievements of the Chinese college students, which tends to be rote learning. I don't doubt that's the case.

My thought is the difference between high academic achievement and practical application is profoundly different. I'm not saying the Chinese don't have excellent, or quality, STEM employees, or that the 3 Gorges dam wasn't built well, but as a whole, they're not as likely to have the standards, the experience, and certainly regulations from hundreds of years of trial and error.

We screw things up to, but tend to learn from our experience, except politics.

Point being, whether it's the bridge, or a dam, I'm rarely surprised by communists projects being faulty. This applies to millions of bytes of stolen information from America. They still have to know how to apply it.

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That perspective is aging as evidenced by the dozens of airports, hundreds of bridges and thousands of kilometers of high-speed train lines Chinese engineers have designed and constructed in the last couple of decades--many of which are cutting-edge designs.

There was a time in which "Made in China" was synonymous with cheap goods but, as in Japan, that time is rapidly passing. We discount China's progress at our peril.

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Xi doesn't care about it's people....he hasn't even visited that area since it started.

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Exactly what what would be fixed by Xi flying over the damage in a helicopter and frowning at it?

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Xi only cares about the CCP, but he has visited flooded areas. For example from the link just above:

"President Xi Jinping had visited another region of China, Anhui Province, on Tuesday. State media reports 21 rivers in the province have exceeded flood-limit levels."

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My real point is that I despise the mind set that politicians have to "care", and that anything is gained by having them visit disasters.

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why would he frown? That's millions of mouths he doesn't have to feed anymore.

Thanx, fellers.

Just wondering what the real world view is, versus my old Russia view of 25 years ago. I know they're not genuine communists, but closer to a mature fascist state with the way they decided to open up 30 years ago, but I suspected some of the "old" ways still applied.

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Thanx, fellers.

Just wondering what the real world view is, versus my old Russia view of 25 years ago. I know they're not genuine communists, but closer to a mature fascist state with the way they decided to open up 30 years ago, but I suspected some of the "old" ways still applied.

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A fascist dictatorship, indeed.

What are the real odds of the dam failing?

You can't really know odds on a technically undamaged structure whose limits have not been tested.

Its very much like "implosion depth" on a submarine. You have the limit you are never supposed to go below or the pressure hull will implode, but not till under a depth charge attack and forced to go far deeper than "allowed" did our submarines find more clue of their true limits. And even then, if they survived and came back, they did not find the limit....

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What are the real odds of the dam failing?

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Seems totally dependent on the weather at this point, in my view. But don't get too focused just on whether this dam fails or not. (Catastrophic.)

But large swaths of Chinese farmland and cities have been severely flooded. The number of dead we'll never know for sure but a sizeable number of people have already been killed from the flooding and mudslides.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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74OA said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Xi doesn't care about it's people....he hasn't even visited that area since it started.

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Exactly what what would be fixed by Xi flying over the damage in a helicopter and frowning at it?

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Xi only cares about the CCP, but he has visited flooded areas. For example from the link just above:

"President Xi Jinping had visited another region of China, Anhui Province, on Tuesday. State media reports 21 rivers in the province have exceeded flood-limit levels."

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My real point is that I despise the mind set that politicians have to "care", and that anything is gained by having them visit disasters.

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why would he frown? That's millions of mouths he doesn't have to feed anymore.

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I think he is making a reference to Bush 43 flying of New Orleans & hurricane Katrina. The image of Bush looking out the window was spun to say "George Bush doesn't care about black people" - Kanye West (future president).

If the rains keep up, I wonder when these videos dry up. Chicoms don't appreciate evidence floating around.