Wow that's really scary and sad. I hope everyone is OK. I can't imagine how many disgusting liberal BLM and Antifa protesters out there are cheering this on.
I searched thread and found no "excuses". Can you clarify what you're commenting on?agneck said:
Lots of excuses here. Can't the navy get their sheet onboard? I am so resentful for excuses. Whe in the Corp when we messed up all I heard was " No excuse sir". That made us professionally and personally successful out there in the world. No excuses.
USERNAME CHECKS OUTChiefHaus said:
Captain is always responsible. My guess is improperly stored hazardous materials started the blaze.
nortex97 said:
I just have to ask, why do we need 8 amphibious assault ships anyway? We haven't conducted such an operation in 70+ years, right?
I mean, sure, they're helpful in lot's of other stuff (like carrying marines/helicopters/disaster aid) as well, but it seems like a typical...navy stuck in the 40's attitude.
Sort of like nukes.MouthBQ98 said:
You have them so other people know you have them and can use them.
nortex97 said:
I just have to ask, why do we need 8 amphibious assault ships anyway? We haven't conducted such an operation in 70+ years, right?
I mean, sure, they're helpful in lot's of other stuff (like carrying marines/helicopters/disaster aid) as well, but it seems like a typical...navy stuck in the 40's attitude.
nortex97 said:
I just have to ask, why do we need 8 amphibious assault ships anyway? We haven't conducted such an operation in 70+ years, right?
I mean, sure, they're helpful in lot's of other stuff (like carrying marines/helicopters/disaster aid) as well, but it seems like a typical...navy stuck in the 40's attitude.
agneck said:
Lots of excuses here. Can't the navy get their sheet onboard? I am so resentful for excuses. Whe in the Corp when we messed up all I heard was " No excuse sir". That made us professionally and personally successful out there in the world. No excuses.
Actually, I kind of agree, to a point. The navy has been pretty expensive/worthless for a long time. An expanded coast guard, and more money for USAF/Army would make sense to me (USMC could be folded into an army branch).Punked Shank said:nortex97 said:
I just have to ask, why do we need 8 amphibious assault ships anyway? We haven't conducted such an operation in 70+ years, right?
I mean, sure, they're helpful in lot's of other stuff (like carrying marines/helicopters/disaster aid) as well, but it seems like a typical...navy stuck in the 40's attitude.
I mean why do we have any navy right!?!
yea at this point it may not even be worth trying salvage herCanyonAg77 said:
Were she a car, I'd say she's totaled at this point.
GAC06 said:
Don't let them live in your head
74OA said:
MELTING
The answer to your question is Guadalcanal and the Marine Corps is never going to forget it. There are a lot of other reasons that you will be given, but that will never leave the psychology of the Marine Corps planners.nortex97 said:
I just have to ask, why do we need 8 amphibious assault ships anyway? We haven't conducted such an operation in 70+ years, right?
I mean, sure, they're helpful in lot's of other stuff (like carrying marines/helicopters/disaster aid) as well, but it seems like a typical...navy stuck in the 40's attitude.
That's kind of ludicrous considering what our likely next major war will be. Let's just say it will involve many Inchon type operations.Assuming we are winning and not on the full defensive.nortex97 said:
I just have to ask, why do we need 8 amphibious assault ships anyway? We haven't conducted such an operation in 70+ years, right?
I mean, sure, they're helpful in lot's of other stuff (like carrying marines/helicopters/disaster aid) as well, but it seems like a typical...navy stuck in the 40's attitude.
Definitely done for sounds like. Totaled in the way USS Franklin and Bunker Hill were. But if she starts listing, she could end up like S.S. Normandie in New York Harbor and that would be a very difficult salvage job compared to towing a burned out hulk for dismantling.texrover91 said:74OA said:
MELTING
Thx 740A
She's done for I'd think - from the article:
The forward island has melted in with its mast now leaning forward at an extreme angle. What are supposedly Sea Hawk helicopters are now using Bambi Buckets to douse the flames from above. Amazing footage:
Franklin and Bunker Hill were fully repaired. They could have been recommissioned after WWII, but it never happened. The Navy always wanted to upgrade them to SCB-125A standard, but the money was never allocated given the 22 other available carriers, several of which never underwent the major SCB upgrades even though they never suffered serious battle damage, if any, during WWII.titan said:Definitely done for sounds like. Totaled in the way USS Franklin and Bunker Hill were. But if she starts listing, she could end up like S.S. Normandie in New York Harbor and that would be a very difficult salvage job compared to towing a burned out hulk for dismantling.texrover91 said:74OA said:
MELTING
Thx 740A
She's done for I'd think - from the article:
The forward island has melted in with its mast now leaning forward at an extreme angle. What are supposedly Sea Hawk helicopters are now using Bambi Buckets to douse the flames from above. Amazing footage:
I know that. But they were totaled in the civilian sense. Those were full rebuildings. This looks like this one is too. Wartime `total loss' usually means has to be sunk. The threshold for rebuilding is much lower, vastly lower. We almost even salvaged the Arizona. There was thought to giving it a new forward section. But there was just no need.Rapier108 said:Franklin and Bunker Hill were fully repaired. They could have been recommissioned after WWII, but it never happened. The Navy always wanted to upgrade them to SCB-125A standard, but the money was never allocated given the 22 other available carriers, several of which never underwent the major SCB upgrades even though they never suffered serious battle damage, if any, during WWII.titan said:Definitely done for sounds like. Totaled in the way USS Franklin and Bunker Hill were. But if she starts listing, she could end up like S.S. Normandie in New York Harbor and that would be a very difficult salvage job compared to towing a burned out hulk for dismantling.texrover91 said:74OA said:
MELTING
Thx 740A
She's done for I'd think - from the article:
The forward island has melted in with its mast now leaning forward at an extreme angle. What are supposedly Sea Hawk helicopters are now using Bambi Buckets to douse the flames from above. Amazing footage:
True. Oklahoma was a damn dramatic salvage wasn't it. It is amazing there was some consideration to refitting but it was pretty obvious there was no need. You may be right that Bonhomme Richard will end up as target practice. Perhaps after anything remaining half-way worthwhile is stripped.Rapier108 said:
True, same for USS Oklahoma, but the need wasn't there by the time they got the ship upright.
We did repair USS West Virginia, which ended up being a complete rebuild and was the last ship from Pearl Harbor to rejoin the fleet.
I would say Bonhomme RIchard is likely almost certainly a total loss and destined to end up in Brownsville for scrapping, or being used for target practice somewhere off the west coast.