Then we need to stop restrictions on N95 masks and P100 filters to the general public. Let me buy filters online again.

Are manufacturers running their presses 24/7? Haven't seen any stories there.

Remember seeing Asians grabbing them in January at Home Depot. Shipped them home or stockpiled themselves.

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If I lift my T-Shirt over my nose does that count?

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If I lift my T-Shirt over my nose does that count?

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The ole "who farted" look.

I mentioned earlier on this thread the possible connection between the tuberculosis vaccine BCG and lower incidence of coronavirus infection. BCG is being evaluated in Germany and they're doing a big study
in Australia. There has been a discussion about it on the COVID forum and one off the most interesting things is the connection to its use in Asian countries as a TB vaccine, particularly in South Korea.

Someone was nice enough to to provide some background re South Korea, and I'm posting some of the discussion below:

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Interesting thing about BCG is that South Korea is the only country in the developed world that routinely administers BCG. For some reason, they still have a high rate of TB. They've also been the best at "flattening the curve."

Since South Koreans are getting sick, maybe it's not 100% effective. However, it may offer some protection. Something is better than nothing for the front line workers.

A couple of weeks ago, a German company that started a Phase III trial for a BCG-based vaccine was allowed to add COVID-19 efficacy into its trial. Maybe that vaccine will have better results against COVID-19.

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You're postulating that part of SK's low incidence may be due to the fact they vaccinate a significant chunk of their population with BCG?

Do you have a link supporting the SK part of the post?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCG_vaccine

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• South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Malaysia. In these countries, BCG was given at birth and again at age 12. In Malaysia and Singapore from 2001, this policy was changed to once only at birth. South Korea stopped re-vaccination in 2008.

• Italy: BCG mass vaccination has never been performed in Italy. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCG_vaccine#cite_note-:0-37][37][/url]

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BCG was used to vaccinate against TB in a couple countries that (coincidentally?) have a very low coronavirus infection rate in Taiwan and South Korea, and hasn't been used much elsewhere in recent years.

And I have to add, Aggies shouldn't be surprised if BCG turns out to be the one to lead us out of darkness into the light. It wouldn't be the first time.

I always wonder about the unintended effect of different types of government on data collection.

In China saving face and not being the bringer of bad news causes things like death to be under reported.

In Europe I am betting things are over reported as it just means more money will be thrown at you.

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I mentioned earlier on this thread the possible connection between the tuberculosis vaccine BCG and lower incidence of coronavirus infection. BCG is being evaluated in Germany and they're doing a big study
in Australia. There has been a discussion about it on the COVID forum and one off the most interesting things is the connection to its use in Asian countries as a TB vaccine, particularly in South Korea.

Someone was nice enough to to provide some background re South Korea, and I'm posting some of the discussion below:

Snap E Tom said:

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Interesting thing about BCG is that South Korea is the only country in the developed world that routinely administers BCG. For some reason, they still have a high rate of TB. They've also been the best at "flattening the curve."

Since South Koreans are getting sick, maybe it's not 100% effective. However, it may offer some protection. Something is better than nothing for the front line workers.

A couple of weeks ago, a German company that started a Phase III trial for a BCG-based vaccine was allowed to add COVID-19 efficacy into its trial. Maybe that vaccine will have better results against COVID-19.

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You're postulating that part of SK's low incidence may be due to the fact they vaccinate a significant chunk of their population with BCG?

Do you have a link supporting the SK part of the post?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCG_vaccine

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• South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Malaysia. In these countries, BCG was given at birth and again at age 12. In Malaysia and Singapore from 2001, this policy was changed to once only at birth. South Korea stopped re-vaccination in 2008.

• Italy: BCG mass vaccination has never been performed in Italy. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCG_vaccine#cite_note-:0-37][37][/url]

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BCG was used to vaccinate against TB in a couple countries that (coincidentally?$ have a very low coronavirus infection rate in Taiwan and South Korea, and hasn't been used much elsewhere in recent years.

And I have to add, Aggies shouldn't be surprised if BCG turns out to be the one to lead us out of darkness into the light. It wouldn't be the first time.

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Which is harder on the liver, our BCG or theirs?

Hong Kong closing down bars and restaurants. This thing isn't going away...and they wear masks.

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Hong Kong orders pubs and bars to close

Hong Kong has ordered pubs and bars to close for two weeks from 6 pm on Friday as the financial hub steps up social distancing restrictions and joins cities around the world in the battle to halt the spread of coronavirus.
Reuters reports that anyone who violates the new law faces six months in jail and a fine of HK$50,000 ($6,450).
The extraordinary move comes a week after the government stopped all tourist arrivals and transit passengers at its airport and said it was considering suspending the sale of alcohol in some venues.

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Hong Kong closing down bars and restaurants. This thing isn't going away...and they wear masks.

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Hong Kong orders pubs and bars to close

Hong Kong has ordered pubs and bars to close for two weeks from 6 pm on Friday as the financial hub steps up social distancing restrictions and joins cities around the world in the battle to halt the spread of coronavirus.
Reuters reports that anyone who violates the new law faces six months in jail and a fine of HK$50,000 ($6,450).
The extraordinary move comes a week after the government stopped all tourist arrivals and transit passengers at its airport and said it was considering suspending the sale of alcohol in some venues.

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Yes it is, it just comes in smaller and smaller waves. You have two choices, rip the band aid off, or expose diminishing groups to it at a time

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/memorandum-presidents-physician/

The Aussies talking some smack....

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Australia's Chief Medical Officer Dr Brendan Murphy has said worldwide cases of Covid-19 could be "five to 10 times" higher than the one million known currently. Murphy says the only numbers he has total faith in are the Australian numbers, because "we have the highest testing rate in the world"

I think they have been pretty transparent but as I said, I'm only confident about our numbers. I'm certainly not confident even the numbers out of the US are much higher than being reported because nobody else in the world has been doing testing like we have. Nobody else in the world got on to all those original cases out of Wuhan in January and contained them. That's why we are now dealing with what we know rather than a huge community transmission that happened all through February in countries like Italy and the US. We're on top of our cases. But we still have a long way to go.

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Australia's Chief Medical Officer Dr Brendan Murphy has said worldwide cases of Covid-19 could be "five to 10 times" higher than the one million known currently. Murphy says the only numbers he has total faith in are the Australian numbers, because "we have the highest testing rate in the world"

I think they have been pretty transparent but as I said, I'm only confident about our numbers. I'm certainly not confident even the numbers out of the US are much higher than being reported because nobody else in the world has been doing testing like we have. Nobody else in the world got on to all those original cases out of Wuhan in January and contained them. That's why we are now dealing with what we know rather than a huge community transmission that happened all through February in countries like Italy and the US. We're on top of our cases. But we still have a long way to go.

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Thanks to 0, and TDS, it's en vogue to talk smack about the US. When the sh/t hits the fan, and Aussie's like this need help from the US, they will be talking out of the other sides of their mouths.

Having said that, he's accurate that we have not tested well enough. The response could have been stronger. But, I'm pretty comfortable that US medical care is the best in the world and we'll fair better than most when this is all said and done.

So we jumped from 5k to 6k in total deaths in one day?

Strike another country off the "why can't we be like them" list as Singapore goes under lockdown, shutting down schools and most workplaces.

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Singapore will close schools and most workplaces for a month as part of stricter measures to curb a recent jump in coronavirus infections, it said on Friday, an announcement that sent locals racing to supermarkets to stock up on staples.

The city-state has won international praise for its two-month long battle against a virus that has infected over a million people globally, avoiding lockdown measures increasingly common around the world.

But authorities said record jumps in new infections this week, taking its total to 1,114 cases, pointed to the need for a tougher approach.

Disease experts have said breaches in Singapore's lauded virus defence have underlined the challenge of containing the pandemic around the world.

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Or just maybe this is telling us that we all will be exposed to the virus sooner or later.

Trump 2020 is dead in the water unless there are millions dead from the virus..... No recovering from this w 213 days to go to Election Day.

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So we jumped from 5k to 6k in total deaths in one day?

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Something something exponents

Actually, for the last 3 days, we've been increasing by approximately 1K deaths per day

3/30 - 3K dead
3/31 - 4K
4/1 - 5K
4/2 - 6K

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

So THIS is what they meant by flattening the curve.

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Trump 2020 is dead in the water unless there are millions dead from the virus..... No recovering from this w 213 days to go to Election Day.

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So if millions don't die, no chance he wins?

In other words, if 100k die, he won't win?

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Trump 2020 is dead in the water unless there are millions dead from the virus..... No recovering from this w 213 days to go to Election Day.

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lol. He is winning. It's a lock.

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You'd have to be an idiot to think that a worldwide 100-year pandemic is Trump's fault and that Biden could somehow fix it all.

But there are a lot of idiots in America...

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You have to be an idiot to think Biden has a snowballs change in hell of winning.

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You'd have to be an idiot to think that a worldwide 100-year pandemic is Trump's fault and that Biden could somehow fix it all.

But there are a lot of idiots in America...

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You have to be an idiot to think Biden has a snowballs change in hell of winning.

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You have Trump colored glasses on if you think it's a lock. Lots can happen between now and election day. And you underestimate just how much a large portion of the country hates Trump...

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You'd have to be an idiot to think that a worldwide 100-year pandemic is Trump's fault and that Biden could somehow fix it all.

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You have to be an idiot to think Biden has a snowballs change in hell of winning.

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You have Trump colored glasses on if you think it's a lock. Lots can happen between now and election day. And you underestimate just how much a large portion of the country hates Trump...

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Who said it's a lock that Trump wins?

The poster above says it's a lock Trump loses unless millions of people die.

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If we keep most hospital beds across the country open and available (which is currently the case), there are less than 150k deaths (looking that way, fingers-crossed) and the NFL/college football kicks off Sept or Oct, Trump wins. IMO.

If Trump keeps letting the states make their own choices and propels Congress to provide financial aid he can deflect many of the negatives.

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Trump 2020 is dead in the water unless there are millions dead from the virus..... No recovering from this w 213 days to go to Election Day.

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I'm curious on this logic. Why would he be better off if millions die?

Matrix voice "there is no logic [spoon]"

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4 years ago I would have said Clinton was a lock (and much of TexAgs would have as well).

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Strike another country off the "why can't we be like them" list as Singapore goes under lockdown, shutting down schools and most workplaces.

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Singapore will close schools and most workplaces for a month as part of stricter measures to curb a recent jump in coronavirus infections, it said on Friday, an announcement that sent locals racing to supermarkets to stock up on staples.

The city-state has won international praise for its two-month long battle against a virus that has infected over a million people globally, avoiding lockdown measures increasingly common around the world.

But authorities said record jumps in new infections this week, taking its total to 1,114 cases, pointed to the need for a tougher approach.

Disease experts have said breaches in Singapore's lauded virus defence have underlined the challenge of containing the pandemic around the world.

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Yeah no country really has this thing under control, they only just barely have it contained.

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Trump 2020 is dead in the water unless there are millions dead from the virus..... No recovering from this w 213 days to go to Election Day.

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1 million dead and Trump is probably not re-elected. The Karens, female and male, will lose their minds.

Buck stops on his desk. Killing the economy for 100K deaths? Will the electorate accept that?

Killing the economy for millions of dead could be justified IMO.

He won't be able to run on a ticket of "I saved millions of lives", sorry you lost your business, job, home, car, etc....


He was dealt an incredibly ****ty hand. Not his fault. Bad to terrible options with massive unknowns at every turn and decisions that needed to be made quickly.

Now that the picture is clearer, it appears like he made the absolutely wrong decision.