Sine poena nulla lex.

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I may be way behind, but I read somewhere that the CDC admitted to an oversight commitee that they have found people who died months ago here in the states died of CV... but it was attributed to flu. If true, it makes me wonder. My wife had pneumonia at the beginning of January and tested negative for flu. I ended up getting sick too and would sometimes be so short on breath that it would panic me a little. Was a dry cough and I resorted to using inhalers to help. It took a couple of weeks to kick it. I'm not claiming to have had CV, but it certainly makes me wonder.

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I too have been wondering this.

About 75% of the kids in my son's class had the "flu" and most missed an entire week of school back in Jan. It ripped through a couple other grades and many folks wanted the school closed for a week or two. Many of the parents of kids in my sons's class got sick and missed a week of work as well. Very few tested postive for flu. 3/4 of my family was down over a week and only 1 tested postiive for flu a.

My son's teacher spent three weeks roaming China in December

Just sayin'

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I may be way behind, but I read somewhere that the CDC admitted to an oversight commitee that they have found people who died months ago here in the states died of CV... but it was attributed to flu. If true, it makes me wonder. My wife had pneumonia at the beginning of January and tested negative for flu. I ended up getting sick too and would sometimes be so short on breath that it would panic me a little. Was a dry cough and I resorted to using inhalers to help. It took a couple of weeks to kick it. I'm not claiming to have had CV, but it certainly makes me wonder.

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I had something in January-early February with a really long dry cough that wouldn't quit. I have no clue what it was but this went on for a good 6 weeks or so before it was completely gone

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I may be way behind, but I read somewhere that the CDC admitted to an oversight commitee that they have found people who died months ago here in the states died of CV... but it was attributed to flu. If true, it makes me wonder. My wife had pneumonia at the beginning of January and tested negative for flu. I ended up getting sick too and would sometimes be so short on breath that it would panic me a little. Was a dry cough and I resorted to using inhalers to help. It took a couple of weeks to kick it. I'm not claiming to have had CV, but it certainly makes me wonder.

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Same thing with me and my 4 kids.

About the time Brazos County was testing the potential case, my 4 children and I developed a weird flu...wasn't the normal flu and we stayed home for the week. Doctor said type B flu but didn't test.

All fine now.

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I don't see anyway that this thing just arrived here in the last 7-10 days.

Seems to me that it is absolutely possible if not likely that many people have had this in the US since as far back as the 1st of the year.

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There you go. People are starting to get it. I've been harping from the get go the number of cases is exponentially higher. This is a positive. Likely a lot of people already have had this run through them and thus mortality rate and % of serious conditions is much less than expected.

The bad news is we didn't even see it coming and as others have said it's a multiplier effect on top of other *****

Remember, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" Mark Twain.

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I am in my mid 30s and otherwise healthy. I caught a cough and chest congestion in November/December that I could not shake. I finally got some extreme fatigue and shortness of breath that really freaked me out. I was thinking I was way, way out of shape or maybe I should go talk to a doctor about a possible heart problem (there is some family history). I went to the doctor and tested negative for flu, but they diagnosed me with viral pneumonia. I thought that was odd for someone my age and figured I should not let a cough go so long again before seeing my doctor. Steroid shots, pills, antibiotics (in case it was bacterial) and it still took another 2 weeks to feel back to normal

I certainly don't assume I had this virus but I wonder what they would of found if they actually tested me for something other than the flu.

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I'm going to go on record of being skeptical that this has been in the US since December. There's pretty strong data from viral genome sequencing that connects most of the studies samples as descending from common sources in Wuhan, with likely start of human infection in early-mid December. If it were widespread globally by early January, that would be imply that the genetic phylogenetic studies that have been published over the last six weeks are the result of some analytical artifact. That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I think it's much more likely that what's reported is true. That it originated in Wuhan in late 2019, spread like wildfire locally, with small numbers of infected slowly matriculating it to new locations. It was likely loose here in the US by mid January, with additional seeding occurring throughout February, and spreading through communities with domestic travel the whole time. It's gone unnoticed because we haven't been testing for it robustly since even today.

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Same thing here. Traveled internationally in Dec/Jan. Got home. I swore I had the flu. Negative for both flu and strep. Steroid shot had me feeling better, but I could not shake the cough for a few weeks. My wife and kids both had a something similar.

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I had a similar illness about 4 years ago. My brother-in-law caught it, also. It took us about 6 weeks to get rid of the cough.

Shutting down everything doesn't hurt the government employees....they still get paid. To bad for everyone else.

If we stop a moment and think - it is absolutely incredible that we can have the certainty we do, because of the genetic testing. Just awesome.

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Baseball done too

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So MLB still not gonna get around to the whole Red Sox investigation.

For those that appreciate Stoicism

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I may be way behind, but I read somewhere that the CDC admitted to an oversight commitee that they have found people who died months ago here in the states died of CV... but it was attributed to flu. If true, it makes me wonder. My wife had pneumonia at the beginning of January and tested negative for flu. I ended up getting sick too and would sometimes be so short on breath that it would panic me a little. Was a dry cough and I resorted to using inhalers to help. It took a couple of weeks to kick it. I'm not claiming to have had CV, but it certainly makes me wonder.

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Same thing with me and my 4 kids.

About the time Brazos County was testing the potential case, my 4 children and I developed a weird flu...wasn't the normal flu and we stayed home for the week. Doctor said type B flu but didn't test.

All fine now.

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I don't see anyway that this thing just arrived here in the last 7-10 days.

Seems to me that it is absolutely possible if not likely that many people have had this in the US since as far back as the 1st of the year.

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There you go. People are starting to get it. I've been harping from the get go the number of cases is exponentially higher. This is a positive. Likely a lot of people already have had this run through them and thus mortality rate and % of serious conditions is much less than expected.

The bad news is we didn't even see it coming and as others have said it's a multiplier effect on top of other *****

Remember, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" Mark Twain.

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I am in my mid 30s and otherwise healthy. I caught a cough and chest congestion in November/December that I could not shake. I finally got some extreme fatigue and shortness of breath that really freaked me out. I was thinking I was way, way out of shape or maybe I should go talk to a doctor about a possible heart problem (there is some family history). I went to the doctor and tested negative for flu, but they diagnosed me with viral pneumonia. I thought that was odd for someone my age and figured I should not let a cough go so long again before seeing my doctor. Steroid shots, pills, antibiotics (in case it was bacterial) and it still took another 2 weeks to feel back to normal

I certainly don't assume I had this virus but I wonder what they would of found if they actually tested me for something other than the flu.

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I'm going to go on record of being skeptical that this has been in the US since December. There's pretty strong data from viral genome sequencing that connects most of the studies samples as descending from common sources in Wuhan, with likely start of human infection in early-mid December. If it were widespread globally by early January, that would be imply that the genetic phylogenetic studies that have been published over the last six weeks are the result of some analytical artifact. That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I think it's much more likely that what's reported is true. That it originated in Wuhan in late 2019, spread like wildfire locally, with small numbers of infected slowly matriculating it to new locations. It was likely loose here in the US by mid January, with additional seeding occurring throughout February, and spreading through communities with domestic travel the whole time. It's gone unnoticed because we haven't been testing for it robustly since even today.

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I agree with you. I do not have the background in infectious disease to think I know better than the professionals. I have just never experienced being sick for that length of time while testing negative for flu and strep. Makes me wonder what actually caused it.

Ohio Gov has closed schools until 4/3.

I'm not claiming to have had CV, but apparently folks died much earlier here in the states than most realize. It's just interesting... and nothing more because nothing more can be proven. It could very well be coincidence I got sick with something that can be described in a similar fashion.

No idea. Also no doubt that people have died of this in the US prior to it being considered as a reason. I think that much is proven at this point.

I just can't square the phylogenetic studies I've been reading with widespread domestic infection prior to early-mid February. To believe that these infections are not seeded from the chain of connections that have been widely reported in the media is asking for a lot of good science to be dead wrong. Definitely not impossible, but I'd need a better proposed explanation before I'm going to disregard what's been reported.

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I'm not claiming to have had CV, but apparently folks died much earlier here in the states than most realize. It's just interesting... and nothing more because nothing more can be proven. It could very well be coincidence I got sick with something that can be described in a similar fashion.

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Much earlier? I thought it was a week earlier, at least in the Washington nursing home cluster. Has their been more prior deaths tested?

Regardless, genetic testing and math stand against the claim that it has been spreading widely before mid February. It would also have to be MUCH more contagious than the flu to do so.

If there's evidence beyond the anecdotal to support this, I'd like to see it.

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I'm not claiming to have had CV, but apparently folks died much earlier here in the states than most realize. It's just interesting... and nothing more because nothing more can be proven. It could very well be coincidence I got sick with something that can be described in a similar fashion.

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Much earlier? I thought it was a week earlier, at least in the Washington nursing home cluster. Has their been more prior deaths tested?

Regardless, genetic testing and math stand against the claim that it has been spreading widely before mid February. It would also have to be MUCH more contagious than the flu to do so.

If there's evidence beyond the anecdotal to support this, I'd like to see it.

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Unless I am completely wrong (very plausible) there was a CDC dude that admitted to an oversight committee that post mortem tests of people who died in January (early Jan?) tested positive for CV. That's where my intrigue is from. I'll look for a proper link... if someone else has it, go for it. If I misread, I apologize.

Edit: After rereading what I saw and watching the video, I think I misunderstood... while post mortem tests have been done, the timeline wasn't given. Some aee assuming it could be as early as January, but the CDC dude didn't say that. My mistake.

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UncoverAg00 said:

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I may be way behind, but I read somewhere that the CDC admitted to an oversight commitee that they have found people who died months ago here in the states died of CV... but it was attributed to flu. If true, it makes me wonder. My wife had pneumonia at the beginning of January and tested negative for flu. I ended up getting sick too and would sometimes be so short on breath that it would panic me a little. Was a dry cough and I resorted to using inhalers to help. It took a couple of weeks to kick it. I'm not claiming to have had CV, but it certainly makes me wonder.

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I had something in January-early February with a really long dry cough that wouldn't quit. I have no clue what it was but this went on for a good 6 weeks or so before it was completely gone

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I had that too. And my wife, and my parents, and a lot of my coworkers. It wasn't coronavirus. Most likely just another strain of rhinovirus that made its way around.

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If I were in college or school I'd be in heaven right now

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Fact. Was anyone else at A&M when Hurricane Rita was heading for the coast? After Katrina everyone's parents flipped out, and they all sent us money for "groceries." We threw a couple of the best parties of my life, and even crowned a Miss. Rita pageant winner over the course of the weekend.

Just drove through the retail spaces in Kingwood / Humble. They are all packed. Most people arent buying into this bullcrap.

---New deaths over the last 8 days in chronological order (WHO numbers)----

China: 38, 31, 30, 28, 27, 23, 17, 22, 11. Total China deaths at 3173. China topped out at around 150 daily deaths.

Not China: 48, 53, 69, 78, 71, 202, 186, 258, 310. Total 1440.

US: 4, 3, 1, 1, 0, 0, 8, 6, 4. Total 29 (WHO numbers).

New Italy deaths: 28, 27, 41, 49, 37, 132, 97, 168. 196. Total 827.


note: I've been posting deaths like this daily since there is so much speculation and uncertainty surrounded the case count (e.g. testing availability). but today I noticed something interesting in China - new deaths is nearly the same as new cases. It's like the virus is nearly dead and now we're waiting on the people to die off.

It depends on who they sampled for testing regarding known/suspected cases related to recent travel, or people that were simply symptomatic but with no travel history that indicates a risk. If they never looked at the latter group, they might have completely missed a differently sourced strain.

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I may be way behind, but I read somewhere that the CDC admitted to an oversight commitee that they have found people who died months ago here in the states died of CV... but it was attributed to flu. If true, it makes me wonder. My wife had pneumonia at the beginning of January and tested negative for flu. I ended up getting sick too and would sometimes be so short on breath that it would panic me a little. Was a dry cough and I resorted to using inhalers to help. It took a couple of weeks to kick it. I'm not claiming to have had CV, but it certainly makes me wonder.

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I had something in January-early February with a really long dry cough that wouldn't quit. I have no clue what it was but this went on for a good 6 weeks or so before it was completely gone

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I had that too. And my wife, and my parents, and a lot of my coworkers. It wasn't coronavirus. Most likely just another strain of rhinovirus that made its way around.

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My wife and I got some sort of fever, followed by cold/cough at the end of a weeks trip to Disney in Orlando mid January. Cough last a long while. Also noticed that February was very rough on the office, but it seemed like people had various bad things.

Different source this time. I'm telling you, I bet most of the NBA has it.

So nearly 2/3 of global deaths are within Italy.

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Sorry if already discussed, but how the hell is India staying relatively out of all this? Lock down all borders, airports, trains?

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Ok same question for Russia.

I'm assuming they locked everything down very fast, and then anyone who has a cough gets shipped to Siberia??

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I think it's extremely naive to think India and Russia have somehow missed this.

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Oh I don't think they've missed it. Just wondering if their numbers are just not being reported, or if they have done something different to delay the virus spreading in their country.

Sine poena nulla lex.

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Just drove through the retail spaces in Kingwood / Humble. They are all packed. Most people arent buying into this bullcrap.

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Which will make sure this is way more severe than it needed to be.

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Fredd said:

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If I were in college or school I'd be in heaven right now

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Fact. Was anyone else at A&M when Hurricane Rita was heading for the coast? After Katrina everyone's parents flipped out, and they all sent us money for "groceries." We threw a couple of the best parties of my life, and even crowned a Miss. Rita pageant winner over the course of the weekend.

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We had a Rita's for Rita party and it was awesome! We did suffer a broken window but not because of wind.... good times!

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Different source this time. I'm telling you, I bet most of the NBA has it.

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241 followers? Sounds fake.

Sine poena nulla lex.

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FriscoKid said:

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Different source this time. I'm telling you, I bet most of the NBA has it.

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241 followers? Sounds fake.

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Yeah check out the spelling of the user name.

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Snitches get stitches? Or sometimes people are just asshats.