A little calm, clear, motivating straight talk and an appeal to good ol' USA exceptionalism and teamwork would go a long way.

he needs to tell 60+ year olds to stay home for the next month and that we'll check back then

So I'm not understanding how the guy in Houston that attended the rodeo on the 28th has the virus, and hasn't been out of state or country. They call it "community" or something. What does that mean? I guess he maybe got it at the rodeo? Where's the person that he got it from (who I would presume has had it longer than him)?

Community spread. Means he got it from someone else in Houston.

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So I'm not understanding how the guy in Houston that attended the rodeo on the 28th has the virus, and hasn't been out of state or country. They call it "community" or something. What does that mean? I guess he maybe got it at the rodeo? Where's the person that he got it from (who I would presume has had it longer than him)?

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He caught it from someone here

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Community spread. Means he got it from someone else in Houston.

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yeah, so where is that person I wonder? Maybe they just got sick, got through it, and that was that.

Means he caught it from someone here

Any takers?

Wait the person attended rodeo cookoff on the 28th, or attended the rodeo when?

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Wait the person attended rodeo cookoff on the 28th, or attended the rodeo when?

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Cookoff. Rodeo didn't start until a few days later

Sitting in Taipei airport. Currently. Hand sanitizer and masks are everywhere. It's only 7am but pretty empty based on my past dozens visits thru here. My flight from Houston was half full and I got a free upgrade to Business. Pretty surreal to see.

EVA Air?

Their lounges are legit in Taipei

They don't t even know if the guy in Montgomery county has it lol

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Lolololololol. Have to check in every so often to see what the latest panic button issue is.

From what I remember, first it was this thing is gonna kill us all. Then, it's not so much the death rate, the flu kills way more, it's the collapse of our healthcare system that is imminent.

I'm sure there is more but those are the two that stand out.

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Any takers?

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Heck yeah. Is his real?

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First of all, the president is having discussions everyday with health officials and the information we're receiving is in alignment with what he's hearing.

Now, are there some details that he may have flubbed? Sure. This is all very fluid and dynamic. A vaccine for COVID-19 may be ready within a year and clinical trials may be conducted within 1 month or 2 (which may have been what the president was referring to). The point is this: Progress is being made and we should NOT panic.

Liberals want panic because it helps to mobilize uneducated voters to the polls to vote against Trump. They also want the markets to crash so they can hurt the country. So they go to twitter, facebook, TexAgs or whatever social media to gin up the mindless.

Meanwhile, leaders like Trump act. Leaders like Trump can see the bigger picture and rise above politics to calm the public, reassuring us that progress is being made.

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Welcome to Texags Forum 16, Stephanie Grisham.

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Whatever.

More and more people are falling into an MSN death spiral that the libs are loving. And it doesn't surprise me that I'm getting snide remarks and troll responses for the resident libs on this forum.

All I'm saying is that Trump is doing the best he can to calm our nation's nerves. This requires a message that is both confident and reassuring. This is exactly what adults do. This is what leaders do.

Libs seem to just want to run around with their hair on fire and scream that Trump needs to be removed.

We've seen this game before. It didn't work last time.

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The only game here is you trying to feed people a political campaign p.r. messaging narrative about how awesome he's been in leading us thru Covid-19. Please go start a new F16 thread for that instead of bringing that malarkey in here and cluttering up this thread with it. This thread is for objective discussion and informational updates on Covid-19 developments.

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Since a few people like shanked are trolling let me throw something out. If this kills off a bunch old unhealthy people won't we come out better on the other side?

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Devaluing human life isn't a slippery slope, it's a cliff.

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Well we are jumping off that cliff with socialized universal freebie healthcare. Right outta the gate, Italy banned the olds from hospital admission...Hospitals only available for young with better survival chance.

Of course Bernie and the ruling class will be priority admitted.

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They don't t even know if the guy in Montgomery county has it lol

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He tested positive locally. The label "presumptive" doesn't mean what you think it does.

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Community spread. Means he got it from someone else in Houston.

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yeah, so where is that person I wonder? Maybe they just got sick, got through it, and that was that.

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Perhaps he got it from one of the other cases in Houston before they were isolated, or someone not even in Texas anymore.

I'm sure they're checking to see if any of them were in the same place the guy from Montgomery County was.

Watching Tucker Carlson now. Talking almost exactly what I said about the real origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus.

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Since a few people like shanked are trolling let me throw something out. If this kills off a bunch old unhealthy people won't we come out better on the other side?

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Devaluing human life isn't a slippery slope, it's a cliff.

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Well we are jumping off that cliff with socialized universal freebie healthcare. Right outta the gate, Italy banned the olds from hospital admission...Hospitals only available for young with better survival chance.

Of course Bernie and the ruling class will be priority admitted.

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That's exactly what the post I replied to is asserting. That it's okay to sacrifice a few old people for the good of society. There really isn't a fair way to ration medical care, which is why socialized medicine sucks.

Look, why don't we try this.

The president is going to address the nation in about an hour. Please try to just focus on his message and his posture on this matter. Try not to see this through a political lens, but through a human lens.

I expect a strong and informative message that seeks to protect American lives and comfort irrational fears.

Then, come back on here, and let's discuss what he said.

I'm certain, if you're not a partisan hack, you will be surprised by President Trump's leadership.

The reax to what Trump says will be negative to many, regardless of what he says.

Wuhan Flu if you ask me!

Italy reporting almost 200 deaths today....

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-cases-top-1-000-spread-n1155241/ncrd1155806#liveBlogHeader

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Almost 200 people died from the coronavirus in 24 hours, Italy's Civil Protection Agency confirmed Wednesday the highest daily increase in absolute terms registered anywhere in the world since the respiratory illness emerged in China at the end of last year.

In response, the country's prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, told reporters the government would allocate 25 billion euros ($28.3 billion) to help mitigate the impact on the fragile economy. Only a week ago, he estimated it would need just 7.5 billion.

From Tuesday to Wednesday, 196 people died, bringing the total number of deaths to 897, the Civil Protection Agency said in a statement. Confirmed cases across the country rose to 12,462 from a previous 10,149.

After an initial lockdown in the north failed to prevent the spread, the government on Monday banned all nonessential travel and public gatherings throughout Italy until April 3, halted all sports events and extended a shutdown of schools.

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Does Italy track flu deaths everyday? Interesting to see the numbers.

Also, what % of flu deaths/cases are extrapolated? ...

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Watching Tucker Carlson now. Talking almost exactly what I said about the real origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus.

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What difference does it make at this point where this thing originated?

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Italy reporting almost 200 deaths today....

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-cases-top-1-000-spread-n1155241/ncrd1155806#liveBlogHeader

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Almost 200 people died from the coronavirus in 24 hours, Italy's Civil Protection Agency confirmed Wednesday the highest daily increase in absolute terms registered anywhere in the world since the respiratory illness emerged in China at the end of last year.

In response, the country's prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, told reporters the government would allocate 25 billion euros ($28.3 billion) to help mitigate the impact on the fragile economy. Only a week ago, he estimated it would need just 7.5 billion.

From Tuesday to Wednesday, 196 people died, bringing the total number of deaths to 897, the Civil Protection Agency said in a statement. Confirmed cases across the country rose to 12,462 from a previous 10,149.

After an initial lockdown in the north failed to prevent the spread, the government on Monday banned all nonessential travel and public gatherings throughout Italy until April 3, halted all sports events and extended a shutdown of schools.

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Does Italy track flu deaths everyday? Interesting to see the numbers.

Also, what % of flu deaths/cases are extrapolated? ...

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That's a lot of deaths. Equal to about 1200 in the US in a day. Will be interesting to see the median age

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monarch said:

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Watching Tucker Carlson now. Talking almost exactly what I said about the real origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus.

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What difference does it make at this point?

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Hmmmm....where have I heard that before?

Extraordinary Decisions Facing Italian Doctors...Pretty intense read. Wonder if this is what Trump will be speaking about.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/?fbclid=IwAR2bxAkSjycoS7_hae2-Ex1KXUPZXN1gJ_K9bWYur2PvinQFWTLxHuXrXHU

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The Extraordinary Decisions Facing Italian Doctors

There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care.





Two weeks ago, Italy had 322 confirmed cases of the coronavirus. At that point, doctors in the country's hospitals could lavish significant attention on each stricken patient.

One week ago, Italy had 2,502 cases of the virus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19. At that point, doctors in the country's hospitals could still perform the most lifesaving functions by artificially ventilating patients who experienced acute breathing difficulties.

Today, Italy has 10,149 cases of the coronavirus. There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care. Doctors and nurses are unable to tend to everybody. They lack machines to ventilate all those gasping for air.

Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow in these extraordinary circumstances. The document begins by likening the moral choices facing Italian doctors to the forms of wartime triage that are required in the field of "catastrophe medicine." Instead of providing intensive care to all patients who need it, its authors suggest, it is becoming necessary to follow "the most widely shared criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources."

The principle they settle upon is utilitarian. "Informed by the principle of maximizing benefits for the largest number," they suggest that "the allocation criteria need to guarantee that those patients with the highest chance of therapeutic success will retain access to intensive care."
The authors, who are medical doctors, then deduce a set of concrete recommendations for how to manage these impossible choices, including this: "It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care."

Those who are too old to have a high likelihood of recovery, or who have too low a number of "life-years" left even if they should survive, will be left to die. This sounds cruel, but the alternative, the document argues, is no better. "In case of a total saturation of resources, maintaining the criterion of 'first come, first served' would amount to a decision to exclude late-arriving patients from access to intensive care."

In addition to age, doctors and nurses are also told to take a patient's overall state of health into account: "The presence of comorbidities needs to be carefully evaluated." This is in part because early studies of the virus seem to suggest that patients with serious preexisting health conditions are significantly more likely to die. But it is also because patients in a worse state of overall health could require a greater share of scarce resources to survive: "What might be a relatively short treatment course in healthier people could be longer and more resource-consuming in the case of older or more fragile patients."

These guidelines apply even to patients who require intensive care for reasons other than the coronavirus, because they too make demands on the same scarce medical resources. As the document clarifies, "These criteria apply to all patients in intensive care, not just those infected with CoVid-19."

My academic training is in political and moral philosophy. I have spent countless hours in fancy seminar rooms discussing abstract moral dilemmas like the so-called trolley problem. If a train is barreling toward five innocent people who are tied to the tracks, and I could divert it by pulling the lever, but at the cost of killing an innocent bystander, should I do it?
Part of the point of all those discussions was, supposedly, to help professionals make difficult moral choices in real-world circumstances. If you are an overworked nurse battling a novel disease under the most desperate circumstances, and you simply cannot treat everyone, however hard you try, whose life should you save?

Despite those years of theory, I must admit that I have no moral judgment to make about the extraordinary document published by those brave Italian doctors. I have not the first clue whether they are recommending the right or the wrong thing.

But if Italy is in an impossible position, the obligation facing the United States is very clear: To arrest the crisis before the impossible becomes necessary.

This means that our political leaders, the heads of business and private associations, and every one of us need to work together to accomplish two things: Radically expand the capacity of the country's intensive-care units. And start engaging in extreme forms of social distancing.

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Italy reporting almost 200 deaths today....

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-u-s-cases-top-1-000-spread-n1155241/ncrd1155806#liveBlogHeader

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Almost 200 people died from the coronavirus in 24 hours, Italy's Civil Protection Agency confirmed Wednesday the highest daily increase in absolute terms registered anywhere in the world since the respiratory illness emerged in China at the end of last year.

In response, the country's prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, told reporters the government would allocate 25 billion euros ($28.3 billion) to help mitigate the impact on the fragile economy. Only a week ago, he estimated it would need just 7.5 billion.

From Tuesday to Wednesday, 196 people died, bringing the total number of deaths to 897, the Civil Protection Agency said in a statement. Confirmed cases across the country rose to 12,462 from a previous 10,149.

After an initial lockdown in the north failed to prevent the spread, the government on Monday banned all nonessential travel and public gatherings throughout Italy until April 3, halted all sports events and extended a shutdown of schools.

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Does Italy track flu deaths everyday? Interesting to see the numbers.

Also, what % of flu deaths/cases are extrapolated? ...

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That's a lot of deaths. Equal to about 1200 in the US in a day. Will be interesting to see the median age

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I haven't seen any data but I've seen it mentioned that the majority are over 80. Plus, there is lots of chatter that the Italians are focusing on the younger severe cases and not treating older cases given how overwhelmed their medical system is right now.