Agsrback12 said:
We are fine. Panic is hilarious. Wash your hands, cough away from other. Follow flu season protocols.
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"GUYS IT'S JUST THE FLU"
Airlines will go bankrupt in short order. They are bleeding money through a firehouse.
Y'all don't understand the economic impact this is going to have. You cannot just shut down the country for a damn month and expect everything to turn out fine.
Y'all don't understand the economic impact this is going to have. You cannot just shut down the country for a damn month and expect everything to turn out fine.
I'm supposed to be headed out of the country on vacation for spring break.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
Travel industry is heavily dependent on cash today for services in the future. They are fooked.
Our cybersecurity team warned all employees to be extra vigilant. COVID19 hysteria is a golden opportunity for email scammers. There's even a "COVID19 Tracker" website, complete with Johns Hopkins fake branding, that passes on the AZORult trojan virus.
Watch this video from about the 1:45 mark until the three-minute mark.
It is comparing Corona with Swine based on the number of days in the outbreak in terms of world wid cases and deaths. It's an older video so Coronavirus stops at Day 42. But if you go to the day 71 mark for swine flu, you will see that Swine flu had about 176,000 cases and 854 deaths. We are 71 days from Dec 31 were the Coronavirus starts tracking on the chart, as of right now we are at 122,000 cases and about 4,400 deaths. Based on this data is reasonable to assume that Coronavirus is going to have significantly more deaths than swine flu.
It is comparing Corona with Swine based on the number of days in the outbreak in terms of world wid cases and deaths. It's an older video so Coronavirus stops at Day 42. But if you go to the day 71 mark for swine flu, you will see that Swine flu had about 176,000 cases and 854 deaths. We are 71 days from Dec 31 were the Coronavirus starts tracking on the chart, as of right now we are at 122,000 cases and about 4,400 deaths. Based on this data is reasonable to assume that Coronavirus is going to have significantly more deaths than swine flu.
agracer said:
I'm supposed to be headed out of the country on vacation for spring break.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
To be honest, I wouldn't go. There is a chance they won't let you back in the country for like 3 weeks if God help you someone in your flight has a fever
Just got back from Mexico over the weeknd fri-Mon go have fun drink some beers.Exsurge Domine said:agracer said:
I'm supposed to be headed out of the country on vacation for spring break.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
To be honest, I wouldn't go. There is a chance they won't let you back in the country for like 3 weeks if God help you someone in your flight has a fever
How would your parents be exposed if they are in self-quarantine?Shanked Punt said:RAB91 said:
This panic is going to be the mother of all self-inflicted wounds. If you're middle aged or younger (and relatively healthy), it will almost be a non-event. Maybe a I'll go buy some more TP.
It's certainly not a non-event if I have to bury my parent's because of this even if I make it out okay.
I wouldn't cancel, but that's just me. We're travelling domestically in April. As of now we have no plans to make any changes.agracer said:
I'm supposed to be headed out of the country on vacation for spring break.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
I think it's obvious this virus is here and it's not going away anytime soon. People need to wrap their heads around that. That doesn't mean we are all going to die. The overwhelming majority of us will be just fine.PearlJammin said:Proposition Joe said:techno-ag said:Drama much? They're more at risk for the flu right now.Shanked Punt said:RAB91 said:
This panic is going to be the mother of all self-inflicted wounds. If you're middle aged or younger (and relatively healthy), it will almost be a non-event. Maybe a I'll go buy some more TP.
It's certainly not a non-event if I have to bury my parent's because of this even if I make it out okay.
THE FLU IS STILL THERE.
This is on top of the flu.
So whatever you think the flu might do to your parents, this ADDS to it.
Good grief. Whether you think this is a big issue or not is up to you, but it's ridiculous to keep saying "but the flu"... They could also die walking to the mailbox. That doesn't mean there's no added risk out there now.
You are missing the point. There is no stopping this, just like the flu. Get on with your life and quit clutching pearls.
With that said, all focus should be on attempting to decrease the spread enough to not overwhelm our hospitals and ICUs. That's where the real problem lies, and it's not just with covid-19 patients. If our hospitals are overrun, that puts extreme stress on our health care workers, and could lead to unnecessary deaths from other medical issues (heart attacks strokes, traumas etc..) that will be more difficult to treat given the hospitals capacity will be taken up with covid-19 patients.
That's why I'm not opposed to some of these mitigation strategies. Let's try to slow roll this outbreak, keep hospital capacities manageable up to the summer (where hopefully the heat will at least decrease some of the spread), and give us time to hopefully get PPE well stocked at hospitals and maybe have some good news on the clinical trial front in regards to successful treatments.
you shut up this is Black Death incarnate! /texagsAgsrback12 said:
We are fine. Panic is hilarious. Wash your hands, cough away from other. Follow flu season protocols.
This +infinity
Agreed. Except now we have the flu + this new flu + the economy tanking because of the overdramatic panic
Just wait until schools are closed. Kids will be staying with grandparents almost everyday, all day.Proposition Joe said:I Have Spoken said:
My mom (70) picks up my children from school each day. I've given a lot of thought to changing this activity temporarily, but my parents don't seem concerned about it at all.
I'm approaching the same issue with my nieces/nephews and my parents picking them up. Having the talk today that I feel like we need to find other options.
In the past 3 weeks I've gone International and 2 of my kids have gone International. Asia, Europe, and South America.agracer said:
I'm supposed to be headed out of the country on vacation for spring break.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
I would encourage you to go.
Remember... it is Mexico you are talking about. There is no way the DNC will create fear of travel from Mexico. They won't close the border from Mexico, so there is no chance you'll be quarantined coming back from Mexico.
A month? Shut downs just flatten the curve and slows the spread. In a month they'll need to shut down again for another month!PearlJammin said:
Airlines will go bankrupt in short order. They are bleeding money through a firehouse.
Y'all don't understand the economic impact this is going to have. You cannot just shut down the country for a damn month and expect everything to turn out fine.
J. Walter Weatherman said:
Agreed. Except now we have the flu + this new flu + the economy tanking because of the overdramatic panic
What is the right amount of panic? What's the correct reaction? Do we just inundate our ICU's and hospitals and write off 1% to 2% of our elderly population?
They're treating those people, but there are too many of them.AgStuckinLBK said:
Part of Italy's death rate problem is that they're just not treating anybody above 65 OR with lots of comorbidities. (Info not from 4chan, from actual people over there).
They're literally just letting these people die and these are the ones that have a high mortality with treatment.
There are only x number of hospitals, hospital beds, respirators, intubulations, doctors, and nurses. The number of seriously ill from Covid-19 in Lombardy has outnumbered that capacity.
It's a situation which can happen here, too, and that's why some people in America are trying to prevent it.
Covid-19 is here in the US in 30 states. And it is going to spread. The question is: can we slow the rate at which it spreads thru the population?
In approximately 10% to 14% of the people who get it, serious health issues occur and hospitalization is required.
If we can slow the rate at which Covid-19 spreads thru the American population, our hospitals will have the capacity to handle the number of serious cases requiring hospitalization (respirators, anti-virals, intubulations, etc). That in turn will lower the mortality rate considerably.
PearlJammin said:
Airlines will go bankrupt in short order. They are bleeding money through a firehouse.
Y'all don't understand the economic impact this is going to have. You cannot just shut down the country for a damn month and expect everything to turn out fine.
Which I think is kind of the "read between the lines" point.
We held off taking drastic measures in order to try and save the economy.
If CDC/WHO/WhiteHouse are talking about drastic measures now, then shouldn't that clue you in that they think this has the potential to be more important than keeping the economy propped up for a while longer?
Be sure to update you antivirus software!k2aggie07 said:It's coming over the internet!Quote:
If it's a video call, why do you need a mask?
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DallasAg 94 said:In the past 3 weeks I've gone International and 2 of my kids have gone International. Asia, Europe, and South America.agracer said:
I'm supposed to be headed out of the country on vacation for spring break.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
I would encourage you to go.
Remember... it is Mexico you are talking about. There is no way the DNC will create fear of travel from Mexico. They won't close the border from Mexico, so there is no chance you'll be quarantined coming back from Mexico.
I wouldn't go anywhere internationally until we get far enough along the change curve with this thing. Odds are you will be fine but you have zero control over how governments will respond and this event is changing things by the hour.
We are going to wait until the new normal establishes before we go anywhere. I'm not putting my life and time in the hands of foreign governments right now. What I believe on the actual severity of this is irrelevant. Fact is people are reacting to this as if it's cataclysmic and there is no turning back.
Mexico could easily end up on a quarantine list while you are there and then you have that massive hassle factor to deal with. Not worth it at all.
No US Citizen is being denied entry so that's not a concern right now (even travelers to China are allowed back in, they just might be quarantined for 14 days. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/novel-coronavirus-chinaExsurge Domine said:agracer said:
I'm supposed to be headed out of the country on vacation for spring break.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
To be honest, I wouldn't go. There is a chance they won't let you back in the country for like 3 weeks if God help you someone in your flight has a fever
I'm just worried things will suddenly change and I'm forked....
ttu_85 said:Well I am about 99% confident you pull stuff out of your ass. You have no way of projecting this. If you are going to make such claims at least try to make a case.cone said:
I'm about 70% confident that at least one regional system will be overrun by mid-April
when we say hospitals, it's not everywhere all at once
but the west coast is a really big, populated area. Western Washington having to lockdown to alleviate a mass senior death event would be highly traumatic.
47.2% of statistics are made up.
agracer said:No US Citizen is being denied entry so that's not a concern right now (even travelers to China are allowed back in, they just might be quarantined for 14 days. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/novel-coronavirus-chinaExsurge Domine said:agracer said:
I'm supposed to be headed out of the country on vacation for spring break.
I'm not panicking, but I'm concerned that some crazy quarantine will be put in place when I return, or worse we'll get stuck and not be able to get home b/c the feds will limit or even stop intl. travel. Going to Mexico BTW.
Should I just cancel this trip?
Again, not concerned about the virus as much as I am about the panic coming from the government or other 'officials'.
To be honest, I wouldn't go. There is a chance they won't let you back in the country for like 3 weeks if God help you someone in your flight has a fever
I'm just worried things will suddenly change and I'm forked....
Yes. That's what I'm referring to, Things seem to be heating up with regards to the quarantine-like actions and cancellations
As I mentioned above, you also have to consider the various other medical issues that require ICU care (heart attacks, strokes, traumas, various major surgeries etc..) that are unrelated to this virus. Being at overcapacity means hospitals will have a hard time treating these folks as well, and those fatalities will likely not be reported as part of this whole situation.MetoliusAg said:They're treating those people, but there are too many of them.AgStuckinLBK said:
Part of Italy's death rate problem is that they're just not treating anybody above 65 OR with lots of comorbidities. (Info not from 4chan, from actual people over there).
They're literally just letting these people die and these are the ones that have a high mortality with treatment.
There are only x number of hospitals, hospital beds, respirators, intubulations, doctors, and nurses. The number of seriously ill from Covid-19 in Lombardy has outnumbered that capacity.
It's a situation which can happen here, too, and that's why some people in America are trying to prevent it.
Covid-19 is here in the US in 30 states. And it is going to spread. The question is: can we slow the rate at which it spreads thru the population?
In approximately 10% to 14% of the people who get it, serious health issues occur and hospitalization is required.
If we can slow the rate at which Covid-19 spreads thru the American population, our hospitals will have the capacity to handle the number of serious cases requiring hospitalization (respirators, anti-virals, intubulations, etc). That in turn will lower the mortality rate considerably.
ccaggie05 said:I think it's obvious this virus is here and it's not going away anytime soon. People need to wrap their heads around that. That doesn't mean we are all going to die. The overwhelming majority of us will be just fine.PearlJammin said:Proposition Joe said:techno-ag said:Drama much? They're more at risk for the flu right now.Shanked Punt said:RAB91 said:
This panic is going to be the mother of all self-inflicted wounds. If you're middle aged or younger (and relatively healthy), it will almost be a non-event. Maybe a I'll go buy some more TP.
It's certainly not a non-event if I have to bury my parent's because of this even if I make it out okay.
THE FLU IS STILL THERE.
This is on top of the flu.
So whatever you think the flu might do to your parents, this ADDS to it.
Good grief. Whether you think this is a big issue or not is up to you, but it's ridiculous to keep saying "but the flu"... They could also die walking to the mailbox. That doesn't mean there's no added risk out there now.
You are missing the point. There is no stopping this, just like the flu. Get on with your life and quit clutching pearls.
With that said, all focus should be on attempting to decrease the spread enough to not overwhelm our hospitals and ICUs. That's where the real problem lies, and it's not just with covid-19 patients. If our hospitals are overrun, that puts extreme stress on our health care workers, and could lead to unnecessary deaths from other medical issues (heart attacks strokes, traumas etc..) that will be more difficult to treat given the hospitals capacity will be taken up with covid-19 patients.
That's why I'm not opposed to some of these mitigation strategies. Let's try to slow roll this outbreak, keep hospital capacities manageable up to the summer (where hopefully the heat will at least decrease some of the spread), and give us time to hopefully get PPE well stocked at hospitals and maybe have some good news on the clinical trial front in regards to successful treatments.
The concern isn't just hospital capacity, but the extreme workload on health care workers. If they are put in position to work long hours with little rest and low levels of PPE, you could see their health deteriorate due to fatigue, at which point otherwise healthy doctors become run down and susceptible to COVID. This is not just a fear based hypothetical, as healthy Chinese doctors in their 30s went thru this exact sequence and died.
Perhaps the scariest possible consequence of this virus isn't the virus itself nor the economic impact nor supply chain shortages, but rather the impact on the health care work force. If large numbers of HCW get overworked and exposed, our healthcare industry may have a shortage for the next decade.
The reaction to this is the oddest thing I've ever seen in my life. I don't think there is ever a way to measure it but my guess is that with all the panicking and what that will do to the global economy you will have more affected by that (suicide, lost jobs, economic collapse, etc.) than the actual virus. I keep reading about people telling us on this thread to stop thinking about yourself and start thinking about the 70+ crowd. Valid point but decisions can't be made in a vacuum. The panic and halting of society has real negative effects as well.
Especially since they have been steadfast in saying this from the onset.
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Alta said:
The reaction to this is the oddest thing I've ever seen in my life. I don't think there is ever a way to measure it but my guess is that with all the panicking and what that will do to the global economy you will have more affected by that (suicide, lost jobs, economic collapse, etc.) than the actual virus. I keep reading about people telling us on this thread to stop thinking about yourself and start thinking about the 70+ crowd. Valid point but decisions can't be made in a vacuum. The panic and halting of society has real negative effects as well.
This is how I see things.
Hard not to read this as - economic output is more important than lives of the elderly.Alta said:
The reaction to this is the oddest thing I've ever seen in my life. I don't think there is ever a way to measure it but my guess is that with all the panicking and what that will do to the global economy you will have more affected by that (suicide, lost jobs, economic collapse, etc.) than the actual virus. I keep reading about people telling us on this thread to stop thinking about yourself and start thinking about the 70+ crowd. Valid point but decisions can't be made in a vacuum. The panic and halting of society has real negative effects as well.
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