China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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In reply to 45-70Ag • 8:46a, 3/11/20
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Irish_Man said:
If things were like that in Italy, wouldn't some news outlet have a story on that?

I just have a hard time believing posts on the internet.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-shocking-image-italian-patients-21663653?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

https://apnews.com/837274f1bab9af1aab12f1b9481b2d62

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/rare-look-inside-italian-hospitals-coron-id692744061

https://www.ft.com/content/34f25036-62f4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68
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In reply to GarlandAg2012 • 8:47a, 3/11/20
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GarlandAg2012 said:
Irish_Man said:
If things were like that in Italy, wouldn't some news outlet have a story on that?

I just have a hard time believing posts on the internet.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-shocking-image-italian-patients-21663653?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar



Ok
The end is near.
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In reply to 45-70Ag • 8:48a, 3/11/20
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Irish_Man said:
GarlandAg2012 said:
Irish_Man said:
If things were like that in Italy, wouldn't some news outlet have a story on that?

I just have a hard time believing posts on the internet.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-shocking-image-italian-patients-21663653?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar



Ok
The end is near.
I'm just saying there are news articles out there saying things are pretty bad, maybe not as dire as the tweets etc though.
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In reply to Zobel • 8:49a, 3/11/20
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Well right, but I mean, I thought green text is 4chan for "I'm making this up"


Green text usually just means "quote" or emphasizing something important.
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In reply to GarlandAg2012 • 8:50a, 3/11/20
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I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
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In reply to 45-70Ag • 8:59a, 3/11/20
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Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.
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9:05a, 3/11/20
This is where we miss serious journalism.

Social media finds any outliers and blast things everywhere.

Nothing has changed since this virus began.

Most cases are mild.

There have been several old smokers or elderly who have high blood pressure or some other health condition that have had major reactions to Coronavirus as they would a great deal of other viruses and illnesses in their state.

Media and social media still leaves all of that out and just states "another Coronavirus death"

There will be a lot of people infected and Twitter will notify us each time it happens.
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9:06a, 3/11/20
Benny's field trip next week was canceled because it was on a college campus. They are worried about coronavirus.

I am thinking they should be more worried about kids eating dinner at Panera now, after the True False film festival brought thousands from around the country and world.

I need Jesus chicken tonight.
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9:07a, 3/11/20
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The Office youtube account just posted this:
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In reply to VaultingChemist • 9:08a, 3/11/20
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VaultingChemist said:
Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.


These are the posts the bother me. We've been two weeks behind people for weeks now and now we're three weeks behind but have like what? 30 dead in the USA? This thing started in China and we didn't really restrict air travel from China til late in the game.

Sure I'll admit it's a serious thing because the mass cancellations due to the over cautious nature of businesses wanting to avoid lawsuits and bad pr (risk mgmt), but we don't reach Italy's scenario ever in my opinion.
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In reply to Agsrback12 • 9:10a, 3/11/20
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This is where we miss serious journalism.

Social media finds any outliers and blast things everywhere.

Nothing has changed since this virus began.

Most cases are mild.

There have been several old smokers or elderly who have high blood pressure or some other health condition that have had major reactions to Coronavirus as they would a great deal of other viruses and illnesses in their state.

Media and social media still leaves all of that out and just states "another Coronavirus death"

There will be a lot of people infected and Twitter will notify us each time it happens.


Ding ding ding winner winner Wuhan chicken dinner
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In reply to JobSecurity • 9:11a, 3/11/20
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foleyt said:


This won't incite panic at all.
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In reply to VaultingChemist • 9:13a, 3/11/20
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VaultingChemist said:
Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.
The first confirmed case in Washington was over a month (January 19) before the first confirmed case in Italy (February 20). IMO, Italy is likely bad because it was there spreading and they were blissfully ignorant that it was even in the country.
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In reply to Punked Shank • 9:13a, 3/11/20
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Coronavirus cases in Italy......


How many cases does Washington have right now?
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coastsrs said:
VaultingChemist said:
Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.


These are the posts the bother me. We've been two weeks behind people for weeks now and now we're three weeks behind but have like what? 30 dead in the USA? This thing started in China and we didn't really restrict air travel from China til late in the game.

Sure I'll admit it's a serious thing because the mass cancellations due to the over cautious nature of businesses wanting to avoid lawsuits and bad pr (risk mgmt), but we don't reach Italy's scenario ever in my opinion.
It really does seem that some people either are 100% negative all the time.

And take out the nursing homes in the Seattle area, and the death toll is around 5 or 6.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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9:16a, 3/11/20
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Just sent an email cancelling our family's dental cleanings next week. Told them we would reschedule in the coming months. "I don't see the point of trying to practice social distancing yet sitting there for 30 minutes with your fingers in my mouth".
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In reply to JJxvi • 9:17a, 3/11/20
JJxvi said:
VaultingChemist said:
Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.
The first confirmed case in Washington was over a month (January 19) before the first confirmed case in Italy (February 20). IMO, Italy is likely bad because it was there and they were blissfully ignornt it was even in the country.
We have our own problems here as the only place many people can go for health care is the ER as they lack insurance. ERs will be filled for anything that comes close to COVID-19. Every country has its own unique circumstances, so we'll see how it all plays out.
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In reply to cisgenderedAggie • 9:17a, 3/11/20
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AggieChemist said:
Worldwide shortage of phenol


For real?
yes. Global phenol market has been strained since 2018. This can't help.
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In reply to JJxvi • 9:19a, 3/11/20
JJxvi said:
VaultingChemist said:
Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.
The first confirmed case in Washington was over a month (January 19) before the first confirmed case in Italy (February 20). IMO, Italy is likely bad because it was there spreading and they were blissfully ignorant that it was even in the country.
Assuming the first case in Seattle was responsible for all of the others, there is one big difference.

He was not running all over the place delivering food and interacting with hundreds of people while sick. Patient Zero in Italy did just that so he likely infected a very large number where the guy in Seattle (again, under the assumption he is the source) probably infected less than around 3-5.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to AgFan2015 • 9:20a, 3/11/20
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Mr.Infectious said:


Life comes at ya fast.
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In reply to Agsrback12 • 9:20a, 3/11/20
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I really don't get this mindset. Yeah, most cases are mild. The vast majority are. I figure the final death rate will be 1% max. Check, now what?

Do we ignore it?

Do we explain to everyone how because we're a narcissist and are incapable of thinking about others, and because we won't die from this, it's completely meaningless to us?

Honestly, what do you think the best and worst case scenarios are here?
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In reply to cisgenderedAggie • 9:20a, 3/11/20
cisgenderedAggie said:
They didn't say what the reagent was but I'd guess it's phenol-chloroform solution. FDA and CDC are really going to need to get creative about how to process testing without pre-packaged kits.
The Qiagen spokesperson mentioned ramping up on production in Germantown. Is that making phenol or the testing components that phenol is required to make?

Chemistry and biochemistry is not my forte.
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9:21a, 3/11/20



If it's a video call, why do you need a mask?
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In reply to JJxvi • 9:21a, 3/11/20
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first guy in Seattle was brought back from China and wasn't community spread

they didn't uncover the community spread until two weeks ago
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In reply to AgFan2015 • 9:21a, 3/11/20
Mr.Infectious said:


Wrong,

It's nature's punishment for how China treats animals, like wet markets. Too bad it's punishing the whole world
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In reply to AgFan2015 • 9:22a, 3/11/20
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Quote:
If it's a video call, why do you need a mask?
It's coming over the internet!
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In reply to 45-70Ag • 9:22a, 3/11/20
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Irish_Man said:
How many have died in Italy?

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In reply to Shanked Punt • 9:22a, 3/11/20
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Shanked Punt said:
JJxvi said:
VaultingChemist said:
Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.
The first confirmed case in Washington was over a month (January 19) before the first confirmed case in Italy (February 20). IMO, Italy is likely bad because it was there and they were blissfully ignornt it was even in the country.
We have our own problems here as the only place many people can go for health care is the ER as they lack insurance. ERs will be filled for anything that comes close to COVID-19. Every country has its own unique circumstances, so we'll see how it all plays out.
The point is that the difference in numbers between Washington and Italy have nothing to do with Washington being behind the curve in terms of time. The fact is that Italy was way behind in terms of response.
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In reply to Illuminaggie • 9:22a, 3/11/20
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Illuminaggie said:
cisgenderedAggie said:
They didn't say what the reagent was but I'd guess it's phenol-chloroform solution. FDA and CDC are really going to need to get creative about how to process testing without pre-packaged kits.
The Qiagen spokesperson mentioned ramping up on production in Germantown. Is that making phenol or the testing components that phenol is required to make?

Chemistry and biochemistry is not my forte.
It's a phenol-chloroform solution for the RNA extraction that they need, I don't believe there's any further processing involved other than QA batch testing.
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Rapier108 said:
coastsrs said:
VaultingChemist said:
Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.


These are the posts the bother me. We've been two weeks behind people for weeks now and now we're three weeks behind but have like what? 30 dead in the USA? This thing started in China and we didn't really restrict air travel from China til late in the game.

Sure I'll admit it's a serious thing because the mass cancellations due to the over cautious nature of businesses wanting to avoid lawsuits and bad pr (risk mgmt), but we don't reach Italy's scenario ever in my opinion.
It really does seem that some people either are 100% negative all the time.

And take out the nursing homes in the Seattle area, and the death toll is around 5 or 6.
Explain why my statement is incorrect. Cases in Italy versus cases in Washington. I will admit it if I am wrong, and I sincerely do hope I am wrong.
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Mr.Infectious said:
I love a nice dose of irony!!
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VaultingChemist said:
Rapier108 said:
coastsrs said:
VaultingChemist said:
Irish_Man said:
I was being semi-serious

Was kind of hoping there wouldn't be this kind of news.
The state of Washington is probably just three weeks behind Italy.


These are the posts the bother me. We've been two weeks behind people for weeks now and now we're three weeks behind but have like what? 30 dead in the USA? This thing started in China and we didn't really restrict air travel from China til late in the game.

Sure I'll admit it's a serious thing because the mass cancellations due to the over cautious nature of businesses wanting to avoid lawsuits and bad pr (risk mgmt), but we don't reach Italy's scenario ever in my opinion.
It really does seem that some people either are 100% negative all the time.

And take out the nursing homes in the Seattle area, and the death toll is around 5 or 6.
Explain why my statement is incorrect. Cases in Italy versus cases in Washington. I will admit it if I am wrong, and I sincerely do hope I am wrong.
Why is Washington behind Italy? We detected first, we put in travel restrictions, have better health care/services, lower number of smokers, less physical contact than Italians, etc.. I can go on and on as to why we will be in a much better situation than Italy.
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In reply to JJxvi • 9:28a, 3/11/20
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true

but now we took that time and didn't prepare diagnostic capabilities

so we're looking like equal footing
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