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Looks like he was in California recently so the odds are he picked it up there.

You wanted to infect people in Frisco?

Am I the only one that keeps singing an R.E.M song in my head?

Dig deep they probably are seeing that a significant amount of zoonotic disease outbreaks occur within China. Couple that with their mass production of just about everything we utilize including meds, masks, etc.

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Come on people, use your head.

Italy just announced their #s for today:

Italy 9,172 +1,797

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I've been pretty much correct on this whole course. My next prediction is widespread school closures & work from home in the next month and more stock market nuttiness. I hope to buy in some more stocks in about a month.

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Widespread school closures will be a big problem. It will create a cascade effect. . Too many parents work and rely on day care for toddlers and effectively day care for K-8. Unsupervised kids at home won't work and will force at least one parent to take off work. But work at home you say. Thats great for the white collar worker who can, but the blue collar worker can't. That means taking leave of some kind. And if they don't have any that means unpaid leave. And way too many blue collar workers live paycheck to paycheck. What happens to their debt service when the paycheck stops?

If the Govt (local and or state) decides to close schools the Feds better have a plan to keep money flowing.

Whole thing is an interesting case study...

We are more medically advanced as a whole, yet globalization connects the poorest nations with the wealthiest nations and has shrunk the world.

We are less communal (at least in this country) than at any point in our history, yet we intermix with greater #s of people across many communities and have large events that bring people from different cities and towns together often.

We are armed with a ridiculous amount of good information, however, we also have records levels of bad information. Sorting through truth vs. half-truth vs. total fiction is damn near impossible.

Agreed. I work at a facility that has onsite manufacturing operations. Work from home sounds like a nice idea, but it is not feasible for many, many people. Outside of manufacturing? Think of call centers, retail, banks, etc.

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Oh boy. Here comes the panic. I'm buying some frozen meat on the way home.

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No hand sanitizer in North Houston at stores this weekend. But great meat specials. Stocked up.

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Agreed. I work at a facility that has onsite manufacturing operations. Work from home sounds like a nice idea, but it is not feasible for many, many people. Outside of manufacturing? Think of call centers, retail, banks, etc.

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Some call centers use people that work from home.

Not sure what system they use for it, but one of my vendors has their customer service people all work from home and have for years.

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I've been pretty much correct on this whole course. My next prediction is widespread school closures & work from home in the next month and more stock market nuttiness. I hope to buy in some more stocks in about a month.

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Widespread school closures will be a big problem. It will create a cascade effect. . Too many parents work and rely on day care for toddlers and effectively day care for K-8. Unsupervised kids at home won't work and will force at least one parent to take off work. But work at home you say. Thats great for the white collar worker who can, but the blue collar worker can't. That means taking leave of some kind. And if they don't have any that means unpaid leave. And way too many blue collar workers live paycheck to paycheck. What happens to their debt service when the paycheck stops?

If the Govt (local and or state) decides to close schools the Feds better have a plan to keep money flowing.

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Yes that is why it is such a huge step that no local government wants to take. It will take federal support as productivity grinds to a halt.

I cannot work from home either and I had my office manager figure out who can show up when/if schools close. Luckily my staff has good family support so I will be able to keep rolling along.

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I've been pretty much correct on this whole course. My next prediction is widespread school closures & work from home in the next month and more stock market nuttiness. I hope to buy in some more stocks in about a month.

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Widespread school closures will be a big problem. It will create a cascade effect. . Too many parents work and rely on day care for toddlers and effectively day care for K-8. Unsupervised kids at home won't work and will force at least one parent to take off work. But work at home you say. Thats great for the white collar worker who can, but the blue collar worker can't. That means taking leave of some kind. And if they don't have any that means unpaid leave. And way too many blue collar workers live paycheck to paycheck. What happens to their debt service when the paycheck stops?

If the Govt (local and or state) decides to close schools the Feds better have a plan to keep money flowing.

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My fear is utility workers, water, sewer, garbage, power, natural gas being off work for extended time. There will have to be some way for these types to work around this mess.

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My fear is utility workers, water, sewer, garbage, power, natural gas being off work for extended time. There will have to be some way for these types to work around this mess.

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. Why would these people not go to work?

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My fear is utility workers, water, sewer, garbage, power, natural gas being off work for extended time. There will have to be some way for these types to work around this mess.

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That didn't happen, even in Wuhan.

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I've been pretty much correct on this whole course. My next prediction is widespread school closures & work from home in the next month and more stock market nuttiness. I hope to buy in some more stocks in about a month.

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Widespread school closures will be a big problem. It will create a cascade effect. . Too many parents work and rely on day care for toddlers and effectively day care for K-8. Unsupervised kids at home won't work and will force at least one parent to take off work. But work at home you say. Thats great for the white collar worker who can, but the blue collar worker can't. That means taking leave of some kind. And if they don't have any that means unpaid leave. And way too many blue collar workers live paycheck to paycheck. What happens to their debt service when the paycheck stops?

If the Govt (local and or state) decides to close schools the Feds better have a plan to keep money flowing.

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My fear is utility workers, water, sewer, garbage, power, natural gas being off work for extended time. There will have to be some way for these types to work around this mess.

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Why would that happen here if it didn't happen anywhere else?

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I've been pretty much correct on this whole course. My next prediction is widespread school closures & work from home in the next month and more stock market nuttiness. I hope to buy in some more stocks in about a month.

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Widespread school closures will be a big problem. It will create a cascade effect. . Too many parents work and rely on day care for toddlers and effectively day care for K-8. Unsupervised kids at home won't work and will force at least one parent to take off work. But work at home you say. Thats great for the white collar worker who can, but the blue collar worker can't. That means taking leave of some kind. And if they don't have any that means unpaid leave. And way too many blue collar workers live paycheck to paycheck. What happens to their debt service when the paycheck stops?

If the Govt (local and or state) decides to close schools the Feds better have a plan to keep money flowing.

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How many grandparents would be unnecessarily exposed due to babysitting duties when parents are at work? Or how many of the kids are going to brought to the workplace? If kids are going to be exposed, should we contain them to schools instead of shutting schools and exposing everyone randomly throughout the community?

BECAUSE ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!

Florida now instructing advising anyone who traveled ANYWHERE internationally to self-quarantine upon return...

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I've been pretty much correct on this whole course. My next prediction is widespread school closures & work from home in the next month and more stock market nuttiness. I hope to buy in some more stocks in about a month.

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Widespread school closures will be a big problem. It will create a cascade effect. . Too many parents work and rely on day care for toddlers and effectively day care for K-8. Unsupervised kids at home won't work and will force at least one parent to take off work. But work at home you say. Thats great for the white collar worker who can, but the blue collar worker can't. That means taking leave of some kind. And if they don't have any that means unpaid leave. And way too many blue collar workers live paycheck to paycheck. What happens to their debt service when the paycheck stops?

If the Govt (local and or state) decides to close schools the Feds better have a plan to keep money flowing.

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My fear is utility workers, water, sewer, garbage, power, natural gas being off work for extended time. There will have to be some way for these types to work around this mess.

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Those are the two key words ...

Paid sick leave? Zero abuse on that one...

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I've been pretty much correct on this whole course. My next prediction is widespread school closures & work from home in the next month and more stock market nuttiness. I hope to buy in some more stocks in about a month.

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Widespread school closures will be a big problem. It will create a cascade effect. . Too many parents work and rely on day care for toddlers and effectively day care for K-8. Unsupervised kids at home won't work and will force at least one parent to take off work. But work at home you say. Thats great for the white collar worker who can, but the blue collar worker can't. That means taking leave of some kind. And if they don't have any that means unpaid leave. And way too many blue collar workers live paycheck to paycheck. What happens to their debt service when the paycheck stops?

If the Govt (local and or state) decides to close schools the Feds better have a plan to keep money flowing.

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My fear is utility workers, water, sewer, garbage, power, natural gas being off work for extended time. There will have to be some way for these types to work around this mess.

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Why would that happen here if it didn't happen anywhere else?

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This!! This topic has been beaten like a dead horse!! Critical utilities and services are not just going to up and stop.

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Am I the only one that keeps singing an R.E.M song in my head?

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Everybody Hurts?

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You get arrested or potentially disappeared if you don't work in China, the same doesn't happen here.

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Unrolled thread for easier reading:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236680328875474944.html

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The thread unroll and the NY Times interview is a must read.

Snips from the NYT interview

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Wait "whip you through a CT scan"?

Each machine did maybe 200 a day. Five, 10 minutes a scan. Maybe even partial scans. A typical hospital in the West does one or two an hour. And not X-rays; they could come up normal, but a CT would show the "ground-glass opacities" they were looking for.

What were mild, severe and critical? We think of "mild" as like a minor cold.
No. "Mild" was a positive test, fever, cough maybe even pneumonia, but not needing oxygen. "Severe" was breathing rate up and oxygen saturation down, so needing oxygen or a ventilator. "Critical" was respiratory failure or multi-organ failure.

So saying 80 percent of all cases are mild doesn't mean what we thought.
I'm Canadian. This is the Wayne Gretzky of viruses people didn't think it was big enough or fast enough to have the impact it does.

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what is the mechanism for ramping up to 200 CT scans per day per machine here? Military take over of the nation's CT machines? I'm assuming the technology is the same here and China and we do 1-2 per hour due to less demand and also the paperwork, billing and safety.

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/mers-greffex-does-it-again-2013-06-26


Interesting article here from 2013 about Greffex and another coronavirus.

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Come on. There needs to be a more rapid approval process for things like this.

All those stand-alone ERs in Texas on every suburban street corner and abandoned Blockbuster store that opened up 5-6 years ago typically purchased CT machines and ICU quality bedside monitors (but not ventilators). Many of them are sitting empty due to bankruptcy.

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Come on. There needs to be a more rapid approval process for things like this.

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I imagine it takes time to get the effective formula just right + safety test it. Having it ready in time for the next major season would be a huge win if that is at all possible.

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Not this **** again...

you want flipper babies?

that's how you get flipper babies

They should log it under a compassionate use claim and allow the olds and people most susceptible the choice to receive it.

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Am I the only one that keeps singing an R.E.M song in my head?

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Ha, that's not the one I was singing but that works too!