I read a lot of news in Swedish and sometimes German to keep my language skills at least kind of sharp.

The Swedes are reporting lots of things about the virus that are contradictory to what we believe to be true here. They are all in on the warm vs cold weather arguments for example.

Interesting at least to me.

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I read a lot of news in Swedish and sometimes German to keep my language skills at least kind of sharp.

The Swedes are reporting lots of things about the virus that are contradictory to what we believe to be true here. They are all in on the warm vs cold weather arguments for example.

Interesting at least to me.

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What are they saying?

Coming from a country that believes taking in millions of uneducated military age men with completely different morals, ethics, and religion won't end in disaster..,.,

Nyhetsmorgon a morning show just had a Dr on claiming that Sweden is at extra risk because of the cold climate and that warmer countries will have an advantage in combating the virus.

They are spending a large amount of time on the climate aspect of this. Maybe because they have been programmed to think about the climate from a green angle for so long?

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Disclaimer. My Swedish is very good but I am also running into lots of words and phrases I have never heard from all the virus talk. Health care lingo etc.

90% capacity in the ICU already? That's going to be a problem.

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Nyhetsmorgon a morning show just had a Dr on claiming that Sweden is at extra risk because of the cold climate and that warmer countries will have an advantage in combating the virus.

They are spending a large amount of time on the climate aspect of this. Maybe because they have been programmed to think about the climate from a green angle for so long?

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Disclaimer. My Swedish is very good but I am also running into lots of words and phrases I have never heard from all the virus talk. Health care lingo etc.

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If Indonesia is any indication that explanation may not fly. We have only recently seen it infect hotter countries.

At this point, I'm just going to go with that everyone in Iran has it....they should too...will save them the time/money on testing everyone

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Nyhetsmorgon a morning show just had a Dr on claiming that Sweden is at extra risk because of the cold climate and that warmer countries will have an advantage in combating the virus.

They are spending a large amount of time on the climate aspect of this. Maybe because they have been programmed to think about the climate from a green angle for so long?

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Disclaimer. My Swedish is very good but I am also running into lots of words and phrases I have never heard from all the virus talk. Health care lingo etc.

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My Swedish stops at "IKEA" so you're doing a lot better than me!

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First, that article doesn't even hint at what you're claiming. In fact, there are other articles already published that have looked into the sequencing of the virus and have concluded that this is highly probable of being a natural mutation. Stop spreading conjecture and false info.

Second, there is a part in the article you posted that was stunning...

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In light of the high similarity between SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV2, it is quite likely that the potential neuroinvason of SARS-CoV-2 plays an important role in the acute respiratory failure of COVID-19 patients. According to the complaints of a survivor, the medical graduate student (24 years old) from Wuhan University, she must stay awake and breathe consciously and actively during the intensive care. She said that if she fell asleep, she might die because she had lost her natural breath.

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That's ****ing terrifying.

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Reposting the link since it seems it was taken out with the trash.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.25728

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Abstract here: https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463

For a bit of light reading. Work is rather slow, so I guess I know what I'll be doing for a bit.

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If factual, it may explain the early high CFR in Wuhan; and China's huge effort to fight it. The L type might also be spreading in Iran. Also, this may explain the issue of reinfection.

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Although the L type (70%) is more prevalent than the S type (30%), the S type was found to be the ancestral version. Whereas the L type was more prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, the frequency of the L type decreased after early January 2020. Human intervention may have placed more severe selective pressure on the L type, which might be more aggressive and spread more quickly. On the other hand, the S type, which is evolutionarily older and less aggressive, might have increased in relative frequency due to relatively weaker selective pressure.

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Next question should be what type is spreading in the U.S.?

my first thought was "is this more top down face saving by the Chinese or is this real?"

It begins...

Videos of people passing out in NY.

Not that it is irregular, but he is wearing a mask, and from the comments, he is asian.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CVupdates/permalink/1048549082185580/


People in the comments saying he got up...

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my first thought was "is this more top down face saving by the Chinese or is this real?"

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I am waiting for it to be peer reviewed before I believe it.

are the peers going to receive samples of the two different types?

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are the peers going to receive samples of the two different types?

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It's only a matter of time

Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess

unless the superbug was hipster and only in Wuhan and you people in the west wouldn't understand

no one in NYC ever does performance art

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It begins...

Videos of people passing out in NY.

Not that it is irregular, but he is wearing a mask, and from the comments, he is asian.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/CVupdates/permalink/1048549082185580/


People in the comments saying he got up...

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I seen't it on the internet, so it much be true!

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no one in NYC ever does performance art

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11094739/shocking-moment-man-25-wearing-coronavirus-face-mask-is-found-passed-out-on-packed-new-york-sidewalk/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb

I know it is the sun.

Story is he passed out and hit his head and couldn't get up..... Asian man in his 30s.

Taken to hospital so I highly doubt it was performance art....

I wonder if he will be tested?

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Taken to hospital so I highly doubt it was performance art....

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maybe you don't understand commitment to the bit

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Taken to hospital so I highly doubt it was performance art....

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maybe you don't understand commitment to the bit

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Hong Kong reporting first Human to Animal transmission...1 hour ago.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3065016/coronavirus-pet-dog-belonging-covid-19-patient?fbclid=IwAR1N9jtv69pzxnk0ZbY7XDWuIHmabZnTUV9Hz8iDn6UNd5B_Yo408aBmIXo

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Coronavirus: pet dog belonging to Covid-19 patient infected, Hong Kong health authorities confirm

• Pomeranian has low-level infection and experts unanimously conclude human-to-animal transmission
• But experts also cite previous experience with Sars suggesting cats and dogs will not fall sick or transmit virus to people

Hong Kong health authorities confirmed on Wednesday that a pet dog belonging to a Covid-19 patient had contracted the coronavirus, with experts calling it the first reported case of human-to-animal transmission.

The Pomeranian, which repeatedly tested
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since last Friday suggesting it was surface contamination, with the dog picking up traces of the virus in its nose and mouth rather than being actually infected will now remain under quarantine with the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department for further testing.

"It is positive to tests and has been infected, so it is now quarantined in a centre by the department," health minister Sophia Chan Siu-chee said during a regular press briefing.


"Further tests will be conducted and it will not be released until the tests return negative results."

The department said experts from the University of Hong Kong, City University and the World Organisation for Animal Health had been consulted, and all "unanimously agreed that these results suggest that the dog has a low level of infection and it is likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission".

A spokesman stressed there was still no evidence that pet animals could be a source of infection of Covid-19 or that they could fall sick. He added that apart from maintaining good hygiene practices, pet owners need not be overly concerned and under no circumstances should they abandon their pets.

"These test results suggest that the dog has a low-level of infection, which was also found in several pets in the Sars outbreak in 2003," animal health expert Vanessa Barrs from City University said.

"Previous experience with Sars suggests that cats and dogs will not become sick or transmit the virus to humans. At that time, a small number of pets tested positive but none became sick. Importantly, there was no evidence of viral transmission from pet dogs or cats to humans."

Professor Barrs said the weak-positive test result for the Pomeranian indicated it had been exposed to the virus, which was not surprising because the owner was infected.
All available evidence showed that cases of Covid-19 were the result of human-to-human transmission, she said.

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Taken to hospital so I highly doubt it was performance art....

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maybe you don't understand commitment to the bit

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How about commitment to the bite....read above.

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are the peers going to receive samples of the two different types?

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They didn't do analysis of any samples themselves. It's a genomic comparison for similarity between samples. They downloaded viral sequences obtained from 103 patients that are shared in a data repository. Then they looked for potential divergence of strains based on probable mutations.

It looks like the dataset is limited to very early reports. There are 14 records labeled as being from USA, all of which carry dates (which I assume relate to the sample collection or positive patient test) from January. Half are coded as L-type and one patient has both.

No samples from Iran listed as far as I can tell. Only one from SK (coded as L) and three from Singapore (coded as L)

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90% capacity in the ICU already? That's going to be a problem.

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. Those numbers are per capita - either UK is leaving people to die waiting on beds or the US hospital system is ridiculously bloated. OR maybe those numbers are bogus/unstudied and it's a story written to capitalize on covid hype.

thank you!

wouldn't having one of the two types at least provide partial immunity to the other type?

insofar as we eventually get two types (and likely more) in the wild and the milder type(s) that we don't control behavior as severely for becomes the predominant endemic manifestation

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This is one way of getting rid of politicians....