There's absolutely nothing wrong with being optimistic about the outcome of this thing -- until it interferes with preparedness and action that would be needed to attain said optimistic outcome.
China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission
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I talked about this with my corps roommate, a doc, for a bit yesterday. He's basing all this off of the fuzzy data available but based on what he sees, this virus seems to frequently cause interstitial viral pneumonia (reportedly 90% of cases end up with this clinical diagnosis). The flu doesn't tend to have this same mechanism, it's more upper respiratory (which is why it generates different symptoms - sneezing, runny nose, sore throat) with pneumonia as a much less common complication.
He said this because COVID19 reportedly presents ~50% of the time (even in minor cases) with ground glass opacities on x-ray of the lungs. This also jives with the highest reported comorbidity being heart disease - higher even than breathing or lung issues - swelling of the lungs vs just a lobe or area of the lungs like in most bacterial pneumonia can put pressure on the heart. As well as reports of testicular swelling, as edema around the lungs or heart can cause anything sensitive to swelling to respond.
No idea if I'm regurgitating this correctly. I'm not a doctor, and for the docs here feel free to correct any of that. I did think it was kind of interesting.
He said this because COVID19 reportedly presents ~50% of the time (even in minor cases) with ground glass opacities on x-ray of the lungs. This also jives with the highest reported comorbidity being heart disease - higher even than breathing or lung issues - swelling of the lungs vs just a lobe or area of the lungs like in most bacterial pneumonia can put pressure on the heart. As well as reports of testicular swelling, as edema around the lungs or heart can cause anything sensitive to swelling to respond.
No idea if I'm regurgitating this correctly. I'm not a doctor, and for the docs here feel free to correct any of that. I did think it was kind of interesting.
You know the craziest thing is there wasn't really an immediate run on supplies. The day the CDC announced, 'Its coming to the US, we can't stop it' I went to Costco and got some of that stuff. Costco was slightly more busy than normal for a random night in the middle of the week, but nothing crazy.Laser Wolf said:
Stopped by Costco in Austin today and they are out of the following:
Bottled water
Toilet paper
Paper towels
Most canned foods
Bags of rice
Fast forward to a complete week of nonstop coverage and 401k destruction and now its finally 'grab every last bit of food.'
I almost bought a PS4 and a new tv, thinking hey if I've going to spend a month 'working from home' might as well enjoy it.
Grain of salt...but this twitter account has some interesting (supposedly recent) vids from Iran.
https://twitter.com/RKOTOfficial
https://twitter.com/RKOTOfficial
Fed cut the rate 50bps
Heard from a family member who is a Physicians assistant in a hospital setting.
Hospital policy is Anyone who treats a patient with a Fever and SPO2 of 90% or lower is pulled off shift until the patient tests negative for COV. If the patient is Confirmed, 2 weeks quarantine.
This could prove to be unsustainable if patients start rolling in with bad flu or COPD.
Hospital policy is Anyone who treats a patient with a Fever and SPO2 of 90% or lower is pulled off shift until the patient tests negative for COV. If the patient is Confirmed, 2 weeks quarantine.
This could prove to be unsustainable if patients start rolling in with bad flu or COPD.
P.U.T.U said:I have a part for work coming from Zhejiang Province (east coast) that shipped on Monday and will be here tomorrow (Wednesday).Thinking it may get the Lysol treatment before I touch itswimmerbabe11 said:
So, we are getting questions.. I'm curious to hear what the actual answers are...
Can viruses live on surfaces like fabric for more than a day or two? Our merchandise is air freighted from China, so I would say that the viruses are put in a very unhospitable environment.. but if I just google, it says that viruses can live up to 7 days or more on those sorts of materials.. couldn't find anything that would help about method of transfer.
A bleach solution will be much more effective and much faster if your material can tolerate a spray down with 0.5%
How many people on this thread have actually been quarantined at some point in their life?
Blue star this post if you have ever been quarantined.
FTR, I spent five days in a hospital bed with no visitors for possibly being infected with typhoid. I was bored out of mind even with a TV.
Blue star this post if you have ever been quarantined.
FTR, I spent five days in a hospital bed with no visitors for possibly being infected with typhoid. I was bored out of mind even with a TV.
Third Doctor from Wuhan front line Hospital Dies...
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- Ophthalmologist Mei Zhongming, 57, said to have been infected after working long hours treating patients
- He is the third doctor from the hospital to die from Covid-19
An ophthalmologist who worked with whistle-blower doctor Li Wenliang on the coronavirus front line in Wuhan has also died from Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus.
Mei Zhongming, 57, contracted the virus while he was working at the Wuhan Central Hospital and died on Tuesday.
His 34-year-old colleague Li who was silenced by police for sounding the alarm about the new virus strain also died from the pneumonia-like illness last month , prompting an outpouring of grief and anger in China.
Mei is the third doctor from the hospital to die from Covid-19. Two days ago, Jiang Xueqing, head of thyroid and breast surgery, also died from the disease at the age of 55.
The hospital expressed condolences to Mei's family and praised his 30 years of service in a brief announcement on social network WeChat.
According to the official numbers, 13 doctors and nurses have died from Covid-19 and more than 3,000 have been infected in China since the epidemic began in the central city of Wuhan in December. Hospitals in Wuhan and across the province of Hubei have been swamped with tens of thousands of patients, and health care workers treating them have also had to cope with a shortage of protective gear and medical supplies.
Part of the Wuhan Central Hospital is located just 2km (1.2 miles) from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market the place the first coronavirus patients were linked to.
I'm an introvert... does self-quarantine for no reason whatsoever count here?
Was this before the advent of smartphones? I have spent multiple days in a row totally alone just on accident because I'm in near constant contact with friends/family on my phone and just felt like staying home.
They may be bringing students/faculty and people back from the affected countries...
UncoverAg00 said:
Noone knows... the unknowns of this virus is what should give people atleast a moment of pause. Just because the fatality rate COULD be less than 1%, doesn't mean it WILL be less than 1%. That's why the NEJM article used the word "may"... but apparently that sometimes means "definitely". You don't go wandering in a cage at the zoo you know nothing about just because you don't see what animal is in there... yeah, it could be a squirrel cage (**** squirrels) and pose no threat. On the other hand, it could be a lion. Being so confident with so many unknowns is foolish. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. That's not hysteria, that's ****ing common sense.
Let's say this thing ends up at 1% mortality, and infects 30% of Americans. Both may be optimistic numbers.
That is 1% of about 100 million people, so 1 million deaths. Mostly older people.
That is a LOT of deaths.
They'll also test for the flu, and see if the patient has a history of COPD.KorbinDallas said:
Heard from a family member who is a Physicians assistant in a hospital setting.
Hospital policy is Anyone who treats a patient with a Fever and SPO2 of 90% or lower is pulled off shift until the patient tests negative for COV. If the patient is Confirmed, 2 weeks quarantine.
This could prove to be unsustainable if patients start rolling in with bad flu or COPD.
If some 90 year old woman who never leaves her home and is taken to the hospital with pneumonia, and this is her 5th visit in the past year, it would be highly likely to not be the coronavirus.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Yes, long before smartphones. Cable tv had less than 30 channels. I did have a landline telephone.GarlandAg2012 said:
Was this before the advent of smartphones? I have spent multiple days in a row totally alone just on accident because I'm in near constant contact with friends/family on my phone and just felt like staying home.
I'd finally replay Witcher 3 and The Last of Us (assuming I could even finish Witcher within the 10-14 days)VaultingChemist said:
How many people on this thread have actually been quarantined at some point in their life?
Blue star this post if you have been quarantined.
FTR, I spent five days in a hospital bed with no visitors for possibly being infected with typhoid. I was bored out of mind even with a TV.
Are they being worked to exhaustion and then dying from their weakened condition?
What you did correctly was include the virus's assumed (yes, I said assumed because, again, its technically still unknown for sure) transmissability in your determination. What I find weird is that there are so many who are either unaware or consciously choose to ignore that data point.
The other issue is that we cluster our elderly, especially those who are generally less healthy, in nursing homes and senior facilities. It would be quite the strain on those facilities and one would think mortality rates would be higher in those locations.Quote:
Let's say this thing ends up at 1% mortality, and infects 30% of Americans. Both may be optimistic numbers.
That is 1% of about 100 million people, so 1 million deaths. Mostly older people.
That is a LOT of deaths.
MouthBQ98 said:
Are they being worked to exhaustion and then dying from their weakened condition?
If true, I'm sure it isn't helping.
MouthBQ98 said:
Are they being worked to exhaustion and then dying from their weakened condition?
I'm sure they are.
I am more interested in that are they so infected and surrounded by the virus that treatment is not helping, or is it a weakened immune system (from work, etc.) that causes death.
You would think they would do everything medically possible to save their lives...
The irony is the temperament of people that tend towards liberalism or leftism generally gives them a high disgust threshold and a low fear of contamination.
No TexAgs?VaultingChemist said:
How many people on this thread have actually been quarantined at some point in their life?
Blue star this post if you have ever been quarantined.
FTR, I spent five days in a hospital bed with no visitors for possibly being infected with typhoid. I was bored out of mind even with a TV.
Trump will fix it.
Not when the Dems have been politicizing this issue. This is what you get.MouthBQ98 said:
The irony is the temperament of people that tend towards liberalism or leftism generally gives them a high disgust threshold and a low fear of contamination.
Yep. Ideological conformity requires that they express fear of corona virus and that efforts to deal with it have been inadequate.
That last bit seems to be contrary to what's been stated about the long asymptomatic period and explosive latent growth after several weeks from first positive tests. Are there other reports that this is true?
That's the 1st I've seen of the claim that it does not transmit as efficiently as the flu. If true, great news. But that is certainly different than everything else I've see to date... so where does the truth lie?
Say what? Doesn't transmit as effeciently as the flu? Well that goes against everything I've heard for the last month.
So stuff like this makes me think that there will be a wide differentiation between 1st and 3rd world countries with proper supportive care and antibiotics against secondary infections and those without. I would suspect that similar issues are occuring in Pakistan and India that we don't know about yet as well. I'd be looking at India as your next indicator b/c getting information out of India will be easier than Pakistan. Fun stuff.lunchbox said:
The BBC is now showing one of the leaked vids from Iran...
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