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So, we are getting questions.. I'm curious to hear what the actual answers are...

Can viruses live on surfaces like fabric for more than a day or two? Our merchandise is air freighted from China, so I would say that the viruses are put in a very unhospitable environment.. but if I just google, it says that viruses can live up to 7 days or more on those sorts of materials.. couldn't find anything that would help about method of transfer.

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I would say in this case not likely. Otherwise you would have seen more cases pop without ties.

That makes sense... but seeing as I haven't received a shipment in a month now, I'm not sure I could answer anything ya know?

My job is wierd right now, because I get asked these questions because of my past experience in product development/sourcing and just that I'm the nerdiest person most likely to have researched stuff about this.

swimmerbabe11 said:

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That makes sense... but seeing as I haven't received a shipment in a month now, I'm not sure I could answer anything ya know?

My job is wierd right now, because I get asked these questions because of my past experience in product development/sourcing and just that I'm the nerdiest person most likely to have researched stuff about this.

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Viruses typically don't live longer than a day on surfaces and actively die off after short time. I've heard them lasting up to 7 days but I'm sure that's rare.

When I was asked (by a store manager no less) that is how I answered. However, been researching, and saw the 7 day thing, was a bit more concerned.

Not as much for my customers, but for DC workers/receivers/etc

swimmerbabe11 said:

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So, we are getting questions.. I'm curious to hear what the actual answers are...

Can viruses live on surfaces like fabric for more than a day or two? Our merchandise is air freighted from China, so I would say that the viruses are put in a very unhospitable environment.. but if I just google, it says that viruses can live up to 7 days or more on those sorts of materials.. couldn't find anything that would help about method of transfer.

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People dont like the Peak Prosperity videos, but they're actually very informative. In today's video (around the 22 minute mark) he discusses this very subject and a recent study was done on the lifetime of similar coronaviruses on various substances.

The lifetime seems to be around 9 days if you dont disinfect

Depends on what type of virus. There are some dsDNA and ssRNA viruses that can live for months in Poultry houses with no birds. ILT and avian reovirus comes to mind.

However, if it behaves like other fellow corona viridae, like IBV, it can only survive a couple of days outside a host.

This guy says vitamin C is one of the best treatments for Coronavirus and all viruses... Japanese Drs say using intravenous Vit C is very effective



I guess it can't hurt to load up on vitamin C and D right now.. which I am

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This guy says vitamin C is one of the best treatments for Coronavirus and all viruses... Japanese Drs say using intravenous Vit C is very effective



I guess it can't hurt to load up on vitamin C and D right now.. which I am

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Paging KidDoc.... we got some "bad information" you need to clear up...

CV has the potential to bankrupt insurers in the long run. Don't think for a second that lobbyist in DC haven't already crafted a bailout package, they are just waiting for the opportune time to present it.


Healthcare costs/insurance will become one of the top 2 important topics of the 2020 election. Economy being the other.

Pope Francis tests negative for coronavirus after catching cold: report

https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-francis-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-after-catching-cold-report

Possibly a new treatment method!

Research paper titled "SARS-CoV-2 cell entry depends on ACE2 and TMPRSS2 and is blocked by a clinically-proven protease inhibitor".

swimmerbabe11 said:

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So, we are getting questions.. I'm curious to hear what the actual answers are...

Can viruses live on surfaces like fabric for more than a day or two? Our merchandise is air freighted from China, so I would say that the viruses are put in a very unhospitable environment.. but if I just google, it says that viruses can live up to 7 days or more on those sorts of materials.. couldn't find anything that would help about method of transfer.

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I have a part for work coming from Zhejiang Province (east coast) that shipped on Monday and will be here tomorrow (Wednesday).Thinking it may get the Lysol treatment before I touch it

swimmerbabe11 said:

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So, we are getting questions.. I'm curious to hear what the actual answers are...

Can viruses live on surfaces like fabric for more than a day or two? Our merchandise is air freighted from China, so I would say that the viruses are put in a very unhospitable environment.. but if I just google, it says that viruses can live up to 7 days or more on those sorts of materials.. couldn't find anything that would help about method of transfer.

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If this is something your customers are truly concerned about, Is it possible to hold the product for 7-10 days upon receiving? This is something I've dealt with, albeit in a different industry, due to the swine flu which can linger around a bit longer than the COVID-19. Basically all I did was rewrite a couple customers procurement practices where the product(s) wouldn't be handled for 45 days between days at sea and sitting in their warehouses after disembarking from China. The concern is unmerited but it makes them feel better. We spray the containers down with a citric acid concentrate too.

Guess another thing to take into account is where in China it's coming from

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Do you think the NEJM is going to accept a bogus article for publication in their journal? I was in academics for a while and submitted a very good molecular genetics paper to them for publication re familial IPF and it was summarily rejected. Got it published in the AJRCCM. They have intense standards. The mortality data (1.4%) mirrors other recent publications. I think it's legit.

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Some people on this thread are having a hard time coming to grips that the Coronavirus is very similar to other respiratory viruses, and is not as deadly to the general public as previously thought.

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext?mobileUi=0

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Currently, the emergence of a novel human coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, has become a global health concern causing severe respiratory tract infections in humans. Human-to-human transmissions have been described with incubation times between 2-10 days, facilitating its spread via droplets, contaminated hands or surfaces. We therefore reviewed the literature on all available information about the persistence of human and veterinary coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces as well as inactivation strategies with biocidal agents used for chemical disinfection, e.g. in healthcare facilities. The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 6271% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.050.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective. As no specific therapies are available for SARS-CoV-2, early containment and prevention of further spread will be crucial to stop the ongoing outbreak and to control this novel infectious thread.

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They reviewed 22 literature reports on multiple coronaviruses to determine estimates on persistence. Results are in Table 1. The closest thing I see to any kind of fabric is a disposable gown, which reports up to 2 days.

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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That makes sense... but seeing as I haven't received a shipment in a month now, I'm not sure I could answer anything ya know?

My job is wierd right now, because I get asked these questions because of my past experience in product development/sourcing and just that I'm the nerdiest person most likely to have researched stuff about this.

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Viruses typically don't live longer than a day on surfaces and actively die off after short time. I've heard them lasting up to 7 days but I'm sure that's rare.

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This one is documented up to 9 days on some surfaces from what ive read. That and the aerosol is why all the spraying of everything with alcohol and whatever else.

Houston and Harris Co. seem to be actively trying to slow roll news on potential cases and testing (still 7-10 days before the Houston lab can run tests). First week of the rodeo appears safe from cancellation.

They're not cancelling Rodeo

Cherry picking information from the NEJM article does nothing but spread misinformation. Yes, the fatality rate could be similar to other known viruses (ie, <1%). However, it also explicitly discusses the importance of transmission rate. This is just as important as fatality rate. In this case, its likely to be atleast twice as contagious as the seasonal flu which has important implications to how this will play out. Honestly, this is just as bad and the doom and gloom people.

EDIT: Given how communicable this pathogen is, if everyone were to have the attitude of "no big deal, business as usual", the # of cases that actually do need hospital care could end up being overwhelming. So instead of being so blase about this, how difficult is it to give it some respect and be open to staying away from others if it comes down to it. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but spreading the "this ain't ****" dogma serves just as little purpose as the "omg, end of the world" dogma.

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Some people on this thread are having a hard time coming to grips that the Coronavirus is very similar to other respiratory viruses, and is not as deadly to the general public as previously thought.

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What do you think the mortality rate will be for Covid-19?

What are the mortality rates for other respiratory viruses?

How does the transmissibility of Covid-19 compare to other respiratory viruses?

Clearly. And the authorities are doing everything possible to try to maintain plausible deniability.

Noone knows... the unknowns of this virus is what should give people atleast a moment of pause. Just because the fatality rate COULD be less than 1%, doesn't mean it WILL be less than 1%. That's why the NEJM article used the word "may"... but apparently that sometimes means "definitely". You don't go wandering in a cage at the zoo you know nothing about just because you don't see what animal is in there... yeah, it could be a squirrel cage (**** squirrels) and pose no threat. On the other hand, it could be a lion. Being so confident with so many unknowns is foolish. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. That's not hysteria, that's ****ing common sense.

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You don't go wandering in a cage at the zoo you know nothing about just because you don't see what animal is in there... yeah, it could be a squirrel cage (**** squirrels) and pose no threat. On the other hand, it could be a lion

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When I see people in the cage dressed as lion tamers running around frantically, I sure don't assume they are dealing with a squirrel.

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Clearly. And the authorities are doing everything possible to try to maintain plausible deniability.

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Anyone want to start a betting pool on the first US Congressional, State Governor, and/or Mayor confirmed case?

Let's see... who likes kissing on people? And is creepy? And last named Biden?

Edit: And can't remember which street he lives on? Do you honestly think Biden remembers to wash his damn hands. That dude's toast.

Presidential candidates needs to be its own category. Can you survive the primaries and CV?

Tulsi Gabbart is playing the long game waiting around for the old white dudes to fall. Smart girl. I'd put $20 on her for the long shot.

23 more? Its as if the Iranian parliament is going around licking each others faces

Random thought... in the UK, don't they refer to their resumes as "CV"? Do you think that will change because of this?

"Do you have a CV?"
"No, I was just tested"

They just took a 7th person out of that nursing home in WA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll-us-infections-latest-news-updates-2020-03-02/

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Random thought... in the UK, don't they refer to their resumes as "CV"? Do you think that will change because of this?

"Do you have a CV?"
"No, I was just tested"

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That's not just the UK.

Common here.

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23 more? Its as if the Iranian parliament is going around licking each others faces

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Praying multiple times a day in very close proximity to a lot of other people miiiiight have something to do with it.

tysker said:

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23 more? Its as if the Iranian parliament is going around licking each others faces

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Apparently they missed the memo about applying essentially oils to the anus!

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At least 7 companies are in the preclinical stages of vaccine production.