Mr.Infectious said:

---

What about sexy time? Can it be passed via kissing, saliva, or other bodily fluids?

---

erudite said:

---

Rossticus said:

---

erudite said:

---

Mr.Infectious said:

---

Zemira said:

---

InternetFan02 said:

---

TurkeyBaconLeg said:

---

NOTHING HAS CHANGED

1-Wash your hands
2-Don't touch your face if you can avoid it
3-Disinfect and wipe down high traffic areas
Repeat
Repeat
Repeat...

---

facemasks best help you to stop touching your face.

---

But as mentioned above if not used in combination with eye protection, if you touch your eyes it does nothing for you.

---

What about sexy time? Can it be passed via kissing, saliva, or other bodily fluids?

---

I think it is plausible. However, I do not see any information regarding tests for sexual fluids in any news source in China.

---

Kissing is a given. Any other...errrr...contact... is highly questionable I'd think.

---

It maybe possible. I remember seeing details of Ebola being present in sexual fluids.
I am not sure if the lack of any info is because it is not CONSIDERED, or if it is NEGATIVE.

---

BigN--00 said:

---

rgag12 said:

---

The world is just trying to contain this thing now because 1) We are still studying it so effective treatments can be developed and made, and 2) Because the public is hyperventilating over this.

---

I believe that a lot of the hype now stems directly from China's initial response. On or about January 23, China quarantined the cities Wuhan and two other cities with a total population of about 17 million people. Over the next week, the quarantined another 30 to 40 million people in the surrounding province. This accounts for about 3.9% of the population of China. For comparison sake, this would be equivalent to the US quarantining the entire state of Pennsylvania.

This was an unprecedented move, that caused me to audibly gasp when I heard about it. The extraordinary measures being taken by other countries have only followed suit, (e.g. Vietnam and Japan canceling schools, and travel bans all over the world.)

Two very important questions remain unanswered, (1) Why did China take the extraordinary measures they did in the first place? And, (2) do the various national governments know why, or are they just assuming the worst because it is China?

Conspiracy theories abound about a bio-engineered super-bug because the epicenter of the virus is home to Wuhan Institute of Virology, China's only Level 4 Biosafety lab. If something nasty (whether it was bio-engineered or something in nature they were simply studying) escaped from there (or even potentially escaped from there), then the response by China seems highly appropriate. The response from the rest of the world logically follows suit, because of a general lack of trust about the Chinese government.

I did a lot of reading about morbidity and mortality over the weekend. I like the chart below because it puts various diseases in perspective. My personal layman's guess based on everything I have read about Coronavirus is that we are looking at something akin to chickenpox on the low end and mumps on the high end. Not symptomatically, but just in terms of how many people could get this and how many might die. I would like to hear other takes on this as well, particularly from the OP of this thread and others in the field.

---

Quote:

---

This makes sense that they're isolating confirmed cases in hospitals but is it necessary (e.g. patients need drugs, care, ventilators, etc) or it is simply a best practice to slow spread because, frankly, people cant be trusted not to go to the damn mall 30 mins after being released? Basically I'm asking are these patients being hospitalized (detained?) because they have to be treated there or because its the right thing to do given the circumstances?

Answering this question will go a long way for us to appreciate if the US healthcare system can handle the future spread.

---

UncoverAg00 said:

---

I thought the R0 of the seasonal flu was closer to 1... not 2.5. Am I misreading the graph?

---

wessimo said:

---

3 more dead in WA

---

Nuclear Scramjet said:

---

wessimo said:

---

3 more dead in WA

---

Nursing homes are death traps.

---

PJYoung said:

---

UncoverAg00 said:

---

I thought the R0 of the seasonal flu was closer to 1... not 2.5. Am I misreading the graph?

---

It is.

1.3

---

wessimo said:

---

CDC has been getting hammered in the media and elsewhere for the pitiful number of tests they have conducted, allowing the coronavirus to spread undetected and unchecked.

Solution?

Stop reporting test numbers.

This is our government at work.

---

Quote:

---

335 new cases and 11 new deaths in Italy, for a total of 2,036 cases and 52 deaths to date. Among the 1,835 active cases, 908 (49%) are hospitalized, 166 of which (representing 9% of active cases) are in intensive care. Among the 201 closed cases, 149 (74%) have recovered, 52 (26%) have died. [source] [source] Lombardy region urges people over 65 years of age to stay home and not go out for 2-3 weeks. [source] New cases include:
- Alessandro Mattinzoli, Councilor for Economic Development in Lombardy, has tested positive to the virus. All members of the council will undergo testing. [source]
- a police officer in Rome who had been in contact with a friend from Lombardy. [source]
- the first case in Sardinia, currently hospitalized in Cagliari. [source]

---

PJYoung said:

---

Nuclear Scramjet said:

---

wessimo said:

---

3 more dead in WA

---

Nursing homes are death traps.

---

---

Quote:

---

- A man in his 70s, a resident of LifeCare who was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. The man had underlying health conditions and died Sunday.

- A woman in her 70s, a resident of LifeCare, was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. She had underlying health conditions and died Sunday.

- A woman in her 80s, who was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth and was one of the earlier reported infected and died Sunday.

- A Snohomish County resident at EvergreenHealth has also died but details of that patient have not been given.

---

PJYoung said:

---

---

k2aggie07 said:

---

Quote:

---

This makes sense that they're isolating confirmed cases in hospitals but is it necessary (e.g. patients need drugs, care, ventilators, etc) or it is simply a best practice to slow spread because, frankly, people cant be trusted not to go to the damn mall 30 mins after being released? Basically I'm asking are these patients being hospitalized (detained?) because they have to be treated there or because its the right thing to do given the circumstances?

Answering this question will go a long way for us to appreciate if the US healthcare system can handle the future spread.

---

S Korea specifically stated they're doing it to try to stop spread, not for clinical reasons. I assume the same for Singapore.

---

AG 2000' said:

---

wessimo said:

---

CDC has been getting hammered in the media and elsewhere for the pitiful number of tests they have conducted, allowing the coronavirus to spread undetected and unchecked.

Solution?

Stop reporting test numbers.

This is our government at work.

---

Not a good look. At all.

---

Kozmozag said:

---

So 14 cases and 5 dead?

---

Quote:

---

Detaining people /= hospitalizing patients.

As noted above King county WA working with a hotel/motel to house infected isnt the same thing as patients needing medical care. Its about containment, not illness. This makes one think we're preparing to keep the generally healthy infected out of hospitals so as not overwhelm the system like appears t be happening in SK.

---

k2aggie07 said:

---

Quote:

---

Detaining people /= hospitalizing patients.

As noted above King county WA working with a hotel/motel to house infected isnt the same thing as patients needing medical care. Its about containment, not illness. This makes one think we're preparing to keep the generally healthy infected out of hospitals so as not overwhelm the system like appears t be happening in SK.

---

Yes agreed. I was just pointing out that we can't look to Singapore or SK to answer "how many people need to be hospitalized" cuz theyre just hospitalizing everyone as a containment measure. And apparently in SK this isn't working out so well because they already don't have enough beds. They've said they're going to look to mobilizing stadiums and the like for treatment.

If - if - the Italy numbers are hospitalization for clinical reasons, that really sucks.

---

Quote:

---

The Trump administration has reportedly ordered an investigation into a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) lab in Atlanta that was in charge of assembling coronavirus test kits after a scientist with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) raised concerns that the lab itself may be "contaminated," possibly leading to faulty test kits, according to reports.

---

cisgenderedAggie said:

---

Hope this isn't real....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-lab-for-coronavirus-test-kits-may-contaminated-report.amp

Quote:

---

The Trump administration has reportedly ordered an investigation into a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) lab in Atlanta that was in charge of assembling coronavirus test kits after a scientist with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) raised concerns that the lab itself may be "contaminated," possibly leading to faulty test kits, according to reports.

---

If true, talk about perfect storm of disastrous error at the exact wrong time.

---