Avoiding the P word at all cost

Leave it to the WHO to tell us what everyone already knows. "Linked epidemics" the PC term for pandemic.

Lol, "we still have a chance at containing it"

foleyt said:

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Avoiding the P word at all cost

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What's next a global linked epidemic...

Thats a very reasonable and measured response imo.
Also it appears we are using the word contagious interchangeably to mean the 'binding to human cells' and also the ability for humans to transmit. One is an academic/research use and the other is a practical/clinical use.

Tx-Ag2010 said:

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foleyt said:

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Avoiding the P word at all cost

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What's next a global linked epidemic...

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Every person on earth has the diseases but since they are all linked infections from epidemics, it's not ACKCHYUALLY a pandemic!

Tx-Ag2010 said:

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foleyt said:

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Avoiding the P word at all cost

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What's next a global linked epidemic...

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"some virus that did something"

yukmonkey said:

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Bo Darville said:

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We've seen no proof that this virus is susceptible to warm or humid weather. Not all viruses are.

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How's it doing in the southern hemisphere?

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24 cases in Australia, 15 have recovered, no deaths
1 cases just showed up in Brazil.
Nothing from Southern Africa or elsewhere below the equator.

So "no reason to believe" means "it will not"? I'd say everything is an assumption at this point.

New Zealand has a case as well.

I'd think higher temperatures also might accelerate some chemical or biological processes that break down viruses outside of hosts given they are very simple and have no means of preventing damage to themselves from the environment from various chemical reactions or microbial encounters. There would be more energy present. UV probably plays the biggest role, though.

YellowPot_97 said:

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yukmonkey said:

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Bo Darville said:

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We've seen no proof that this virus is susceptible to warm or humid weather. Not all viruses are.

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How's it doing in the southern hemisphere?

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24 cases in Australia, 15 have recovered, no deaths
1 cases just showed up in Brazil.
Nothing from Southern Africa or elsewhere below the equator.

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Do you honestly expect a bunch of failed states in Africa that treat diseases as if they are curses from witch doctors have any capability of testing for this? Or that any of the corrupt South American countries have any idea what is happening or even care? I'd be amazed if we hear anything until they have tens of thousands dead.

Viruses are seasonal for two reasons:

1. Humidity is higher in the summer which decreases the mean free path a small particle (e.g. virus) can travel before encountering a water droplet

2. Viruses aren't alive. They're essentially complicated proteins. Under proper conditions, they could sit for a century and still be viable. They have to be denatured to be effectively "killed". Two things that are known to denature viruses are high temperature and irradiation, both more prevalent in the summer

That being said, this is a rule of thumb and not true for every virus. Watch Signapore to determine how the infection will progress during the summer.

This will be an elementary level question but I really don't want to go back and read the whole thread. I see symptoms are flu like or cold like. Fever, cough, shortness of breath. Do we have any specifics as far as mild or high fever? Or dry vs wet cough? Is the shortness of breath due to build up of phlegm that can't be cleared? Did a brief search but have not seen anything specific

Nuclear Scramjet said:

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LOL at WHO organization!

Nothing specific or confirmed

I saw something (unconfirmed) that normal viral infections lower blood pressure and this raises it, but again that's not confirmed.

AgBQ-00 said:

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This will be an elementary level question but I really don't want to go back and read the whole thread. I see symptoms are flu like or cold like. Fever, cough, shortness of breath. Do we have any specifics as far as mild or high fever? Or dry vs wet cough? Is the shortness of breath due to build up of phlegm that can't be cleared? Did a brief search but have not seen anything specific

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Dry cough, initially low grade fever then escalating as you enter the severe phase (if you do). The pneumonia appears to be viral & bacterial. Usually does not have body aches or GI symptoms like flu. This one seems to be much more insidious onset with severe complications arising > 10 days into the illness.

Again this is with limited data due to China being China.

Bobcat06 said:

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Viruses are seasonal for two reasons:

1. Humidity is higher in the summer which decreases the mean free path a small particle (e.g. virus) can travel before encountering a water droplet

2. Viruses aren't alive. They're essentially complicated proteins. Under proper conditions, they could sit for a century and still be viable. They have to be denatured to be effectively "killed". Two things that are known to denature viruses are high temperature and irradiation, both more prevalent in the summer

That being said, this is a rule of thumb and not true for every virus. Watch Signapore to determine how the infection will progress during the summer.

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Singapore is having success containing the virus and has not had any deaths. It is hard to tell whether its the climate or their fairly stringent containment actions. It's probably both.

Thanks for the replies. It is hard trying to find truth wading through everything that is out there right now.

AgBQ-00 said:

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This will be an elementary level question but I really don't want to go back and read the whole thread. I see symptoms are flu like or cold like. Fever, cough, shortness of breath. Do we have any specifics as far as mild or high fever? Or dry vs wet cough? Is the shortness of breath due to build up of phlegm that can't be cleared? Did a brief search but have not seen anything specific

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This video is of a healthcare professional reviewing a case of the first American patient. Starts on the patient at 3:30

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Singapore is having success containing the virus and has not had any deaths. It is hard to tell whether its the climate or their fairly stringent containment actions. It's probably both.

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And also the general health and habits of the people who contracted.
How many people in China died were heavier smokers or had respiratory issues due to high air pollution along with poor hygiene? It's certainly unclear if the Chinese transmission and death rates will translate to other countries especially those with higher quality health care and a potentially healthier population.

So your saying it's not the flu?

My coworkers in Singapore told me they were doing mandatory 100% employee fever checks twice a day.

I got some encouraging news 3rd hand from the Chinese Dr. I was told through my friend that they are recovering patients faster than they are coming in. This is a city that is in lockdown, but never had positive cases on any official reports. They are ordered to stop diagnosing from scans, and back to testing only. This seems odd to me

I'm wondering if it's gone for good, or if things will return as soon as quarantine is broken. We don't know how many asymptomatic people are still carrying the virus at home. Does it taper off on its own, or are they a carrier for weeks/months, or a Typhoid Mary situation.

yukmonkey said:

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Bo Darville said:

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We've seen no proof that this virus is susceptible to warm or humid weather. Not all viruses are.

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How's it doing in the southern hemisphere?

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What kind of weather do you guys think Singapore has year round?!?

Hot and humid. And I mean HUMID. 93 cased reported in Singapore per Johns Hopkins CSSE.

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19

Here's a link to the Ministry of Health (Singapore). Lot's of good information...the dashboard linked therein is a really good synopsis.

Interestingly, they put out a warning that people were mimicking the MOH to have people send documents to the caller. Looks like fraudsters won't let a crisis go to waste.

Asking again since more people are trafficking the forum:

Can the more medically knowledgeable give some theories about what this might look like and mean for daily life of the afflicted if this turn out to be similar to HIV in that you can not shake the virus.

I have a relative that manages a corporate office in Shanghai. Employees must wear masks, travel to and from work in single-passenger taxis, and keep at least 6 feet away from other employees in the office.

Yes, we need to watch Singapore closely.

Gold standard in prevention and treatment.

kingj3 said:

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Asking again since more people are trafficking the forum:

Can the more medically knowledgeable give some theories about what this might look like and mean for daily life of the afflicted if this turn out to be similar to HIV in that you can not shake the virus.

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Dogs and cats living together...

I don't think that's a real thing. Seems to be just a rumor right now.

Nuclear Scramjet said:

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YellowPot_97 said:

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yukmonkey said:

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Bo Darville said:

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We've seen no proof that this virus is susceptible to warm or humid weather. Not all viruses are.

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How's it doing in the southern hemisphere?

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24 cases in Australia, 15 have recovered, no deaths
1 cases just showed up in Brazil.
Nothing from Southern Africa or elsewhere below the equator.

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Do you honestly expect a bunch of failed states in Africa that treat diseases as if they are curses from witch doctors have any capability of testing for this? Or that any of the corrupt South American countries have any idea what is happening or even care? I'd be amazed if we hear anything until they have tens of thousands dead.

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For all their worldness, there's several African countries who have great systems that responded and locked down ebola.