k2aggie07 said:

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Yeah - I think it's actually important because it shows how contagious and dangerous this thing actually is. It's almost a kind of study in and of itself. If we trust that Japanese doctor's video, the cruise ship is an example of what the virus can do to a population who is ignorant of proper PPE - but who are actively trying to control it. You'd assume the folks on board are washing hands, avoiding contact, etc. at an increased rate from normal, and it still basically ran through it.

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JJMt said:

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Up until yesterday, the number of confirmed cases outside of China and the cruise ship was increasing at a very linear and consistent rate of ~15-16/day. Yesterday did see a large explosion in the number of cases. But that growth rate has to continue for more than a few days for it to have any statistical significance. There is no way in the world you can honestly describe the growth rate outside of China and the cruise ship as exponential.

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Bobcat06 said:

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Ummm....

Aren't all the cases in the US from repatriation flights? I don't think we have any endemic infections.

Does the CDC know something we don't?

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Mr.Infectious said:

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Market forces will take over before we get to a worst case scenario in the US. With the right conditions and ideal financial circumstances, capitalism can do some amazing things.

Granted there may be some rationing and we'll be paying out the ass for antibiotics and insulin, but the market will fill the void.

This will ultimately be a good thing for this country but getting through the crisis portion has the potential to really suck.

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Bobcat06 said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Just for the record, I believe climate change is the biggest hoax in the history of science.

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Eugenics for the win.

Let me know when climate change leads to the death of 6 Million people

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Once pretty much everyone in China has had it and most survive and recover they will resume more or less normal production. This thing will definitely cause a global economic slowdown as it messes up production and causes supply chain chaos for a year or so.

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Nuclear Scramjet said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Once pretty much everyone in China has had it and most survive and recover they will resume more or less normal production. This thing will definitely cause a global economic slowdown as it messes up production and causes supply chain chaos for a year or so.

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There are already many cases of reinfection and reinfection is apparently considerably worse if you had any sort of drug treatment. This is not a one and done situation.

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Nuclear Scramjet said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Once pretty much everyone in China has had it and most survive and recover they will resume more or less normal production. This thing will definitely cause a global economic slowdown as it messes up production and causes supply chain chaos for a year or so.

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There are already many cases of reinfection and reinfection is apparently considerably worse if you had any sort of drug treatment. This is not a one and done situation.

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Big Al 1992 said:

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With all of this scoreboard watching - it would be interesting to see same daily counts for the beginning of flu season - daily counts of infected, recovered, deceased., and spread to other countries. Doubt possible since it is pretty much year round but would give perspective.
With this I've always believed we are still seeing tip of iceberg - too many people flying in from infected countries, and add in fact a 14 day quarantine may not have been long enough.

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Bobcat06 said:

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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230909125892214786https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230908165438558209

Ummm....

Aren't all the cases in the US from repatriation flights? I don't think we have any endemic infections.

Does the CDC know something we don't?

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VaultingChemist said:

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Bobcat06 said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Just for the record, I believe climate change is the biggest hoax in the history of science.

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Eugenics for the win.

Let me know when climate change leads to the death of 6 Million people

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Eugenics wasn't a hoax. The Germans perverted it.

Women wouldn't spend hours looking through pages of sperm donor biographies if they didn't believe in the reality of genetics influencing their offspring.

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"While we don't see community spread at the moment, it could happen, is even likely. Slowing the spread is all that we can try to do in the meantime."

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VaultingChemist said:

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CDC Telebriefing on COVID-19

Link to audio on CDC telebriefing today.

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U.S. CDC calls coronavirus a "tremendous public health threat," says future human-to-human transmission in the U.S. is "very possible, even likely"

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U.S. health officials are preparing for the COVID-19 coronavirus, which has killed at least 2,249 people and sickened more than 76,700 worldwide, to become a pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

"We're not seeing community spread here in the United States, yet, but it's very possible, even likely, that it may eventually happen," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on a conference call. "Our goal continues to be to slowing the introduction of the virus into the U.S. This buys us more time to prepare communities for more cases and possibly sustained spread."

The CDC is working with state and local health departments "to ready our public health workforce to respond to local cases and the possibility this outbreak could become a pandemic," she said, adding that the CDC is collaborating with supply chain partners, hospitals, pharmacies and manufacturers to understand what medical supplies are needed.

"This will help CDC understand when we may need to take more aggressive measures to ensure that health care workers on the front lines have access to the supplies that they need," she said. "We are reviewing all of our pandemic materials and adapting them to COVID-19."

Messonnier pointed to China where schools and businesses have been shuttered for weeks to contain the outbreak there, saying the U.S. may eventually need to do the same.

"The day may come where we may need to implement such measures in this country," she said.

The CDC is changing the way it categorizes confirmed cases in the U.S. to separate out people who've been repatriated to the country with the virus from China and a cruise ship that was quarantined off the coast of Japan, she said.

The U.S. evacuated 329 Americans this week from the Diamond Princess ship, which was quarantined in the port of Yokohama near Japan after an outbreak emerged onboard earlier this month. Despite the quarantine, which kept passengers confined to their cabins, the virus infected more than 600 passengers and crew, including some Americans who are being treated in Japan, Messonnier said.

"There are several Americans with COVID-19 who are hospitalized in Japan and who are seriously ill," she said.

Of the 329 Americans brought back from Japan, Messonnier said 18 of them tested positive for COVID-19. She said it's possible that some of those patients did not test positive before boarding the evacuation flights in Japan, but that they were "already incubating the disease."

Earlier in the day, World Health Organization officials said they were concerned with the virus outbreak in Iran, where local health officials have confirmed 18 new cases and 4 deaths in just two days.

While a majority of cases are in China, the CDC has been working with the health-care sector to prepare for the virus to "take a foothold in the U.S," Messonnier told reporters Feb. 12.

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Civil.Savage said:

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Dont forget cases in Zimbabwe. Much warmer than Iran.

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HARARE - Amid fears that Zimbabwe will not be able to deal with a positive case of coronavirus infection, a suspected patient tested negative.

The 27-year-old woman arrived in Harare from China on Wednesday and has been quarantined.

The woman had recently been to Wuhan, the Chinese city at the centre of the coronavirus outbreak.

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"We are reviewing all of our pandemic materials and adapting them to COVID-19."

Messonnier pointed to China where schools and businesses have been shuttered for weeks to contain the outbreak there, saying the U.S. may eventually need to do the same.

"The day may come where we may need to implement such measures in this country," she said.

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VaultingChemist said:

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"We are reviewing all of our pandemic materials and adapting them to COVID-19."

Messonnier pointed to China where schools and businesses have been shuttered for weeks to contain the outbreak there, saying the U.S. may eventually need to do the same.

"The day may come where we may need to implement such measures in this country," she said.

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Dripping out the truth.

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basketaggie said:

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Since I am on the fence about traveling there, I'm watching Italy. When I woke up this morning, it was 3, then 6, then 16! One town has cancelled events and suggested people stay indoors. I have read various translated articles from Italy but will share this one here:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/21/coronavirus-outbreak-grows-in-northern-italy-16-cases-reported-friday.html

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KidDoc said:

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Big Al 1992 said:

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With all of this scoreboard watching - it would be interesting to see same daily counts for the beginning of flu season - daily counts of infected, recovered, deceased., and spread to other countries. Doubt possible since it is pretty much year round but would give perspective.
With this I've always believed we are still seeing tip of iceberg - too many people flying in from infected countries, and add in fact a 14 day quarantine may not have been long enough.

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You mean like they do every year?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

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Big Al 1992 said:

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KidDoc said:

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Big Al 1992 said:

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With all of this scoreboard watching - it would be interesting to see same daily counts for the beginning of flu season - daily counts of infected, recovered, deceased., and spread to other countries. Doubt possible since it is pretty much year round but would give perspective.
With this I've always believed we are still seeing tip of iceberg - too many people flying in from infected countries, and add in fact a 14 day quarantine may not have been long enough.

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You mean like they do every year?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

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Thanks! Good info. This stood out...
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 29 million flu illnesses, 280,000 hospitalizations and 16,000 deaths from flu.

I had a flu test this year that was determined to be bronchitis - does that number get reported?

We are already at 2500+ deaths from Covid-19 and we know that number is way under reported.

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