With today's partial #s
World wide excluding China AND the cruise ship
World wide excluding China AND the cruise ship
China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission
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Live WHO conference.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/20/watch-world-health-organization-holds-press-conference-on-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html
China is playing numbers games again.
"However, China revised its diagnostic guidelines to exclude "clinically diagnosed" cases from the count in Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak thereby lowering the count.
What was previously termed "clinically diagnosed," or those confirmed through CT scans and symptoms, will now fall under the "suspected" category. They will no longer be counted as "confirmed" cases like they were in the previous diagnosis protocol."
They continue to play games changing the numbers, that explains the sudden drop in cases in China.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/20/watch-world-health-organization-holds-press-conference-on-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html
China is playing numbers games again.
"However, China revised its diagnostic guidelines to exclude "clinically diagnosed" cases from the count in Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak thereby lowering the count.
What was previously termed "clinically diagnosed," or those confirmed through CT scans and symptoms, will now fall under the "suspected" category. They will no longer be counted as "confirmed" cases like they were in the previous diagnosis protocol."
They continue to play games changing the numbers, that explains the sudden drop in cases in China.
No problem.
Concerning U.S. cases, it is reported that five patients testing positive for COVID-19 are being transferred to a hospital in Spokane, Washington. I am assuming that these were part of the group of U.S. citizens that were flown out of Japan or China, but no information on them was provided.
Five Patients Testing Positive for Novel Coronavirus to be Transferred to Sacred Heart
Concerning U.S. cases, it is reported that five patients testing positive for COVID-19 are being transferred to a hospital in Spokane, Washington. I am assuming that these were part of the group of U.S. citizens that were flown out of Japan or China, but no information on them was provided.
Five Patients Testing Positive for Novel Coronavirus to be Transferred to Sacred Heart
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A joint statement from Spokane Regional Health District, Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center, and the Washington State Department of Health
Spokane, Wash. - The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has asked Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center to monitor and care for five individuals who have tested positive for the 2019 novel coronavirus (COVID-19). Providence will work closely with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Washington State Department of Health (DOH) and Spokane Regional Health District (SRHD) to care for these patients while they are under isolation. The exact timeline for the patient transfer is not yet known, but it is expected to occur within the next 1-2 days.
Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center was selected because of its secured airborne infection isolation rooms, a specialized unit within the hospital. Providence is one of 10 hospitals in the country with this specialized treatment center. Regular hospital operations will not be impacted.
JJMt said:
Those daily numbers are not jiving with what's being reported on the Johns Hopkins site.
They do. The differences you see is just John Hopkins trailing in reporting certain countries.
Just look at this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Compared to the current JHU #s.
WHO Conference going on now....
Peace. I was looking on my phone and didn't see that. Yes, any positive slope on a log scale is exponential.JJMt said:The chart he's posting is a log scale, though. Any upslope is "exponential". However, my point is that if you take out the cruise ship, the slope is not upward, even on a log scale.wbt5845 said:
As a reference
JJMt said:
Those daily numbers are not jiving with what's being reported on the Johns Hopkins site.
Edit to add: The daily numbers are close to the JH site until 2/19 & 2/20. I don't know how anyone can be reporting the 2/20 numbers yet since the official numbers aren't released until late in the day.
https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/blob/master/csse_covid_19_data/csse_covid_19_daily_reports/02-19-2020.csv
So JHU had South Korea at 31 cases yesterday and they match today. That's the difference.
It galls me to say it but those are some valid questions. In particular, the automakers are going to be on the ropes very shortly (and Ford/GM have been in dire straits anyway trying to shift product lines to electric, as has VW), and then all the others depending on batteries (like electronics).
The counter balance to that is that energy prices could really collapse too (including coal/nat gas), but that will have the effect only to cause more problems in Texas, while destroying efforts to wipe out ICE engines and carbon footprints with massive tax schemes.
Now, if you throw African precious mineral supply lines into disarray in a few months...then I would be really concerned.
All that being said..I don't see how that leads America to...elect Bernie? Open borders, huge tax hikes and socialism/nationalized healthcare seem like a poor solution if the aforementioned all happen.
The counter balance to that is that energy prices could really collapse too (including coal/nat gas), but that will have the effect only to cause more problems in Texas, while destroying efforts to wipe out ICE engines and carbon footprints with massive tax schemes.
Now, if you throw African precious mineral supply lines into disarray in a few months...then I would be really concerned.
All that being said..I don't see how that leads America to...elect Bernie? Open borders, huge tax hikes and socialism/nationalized healthcare seem like a poor solution if the aforementioned all happen.
Tune in to hear what a bunch of globalist, Chinese suck ups have to say about how best China is doing a great job, nothing to worry about, etc.scottimus said:
WHO Conference going on now....
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WHO IS VERY CONCERNED GOVERNMENTS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC ARE NOT TAKING THIS MORE SERIOUSLY
I'm impressed. The WHO actually admits there's a problem. Good for them.
No, but I am taking profits along the way and putting them into hard assets.
"Keeping it real" guy
The Fife said:Use this as the template!law-apt-3g said:
"was certified to be Coronavirus negative and has a certificate to show for it"
I am making me a certificate now, you suckers.
Technically, Toby took it as a "gift" right?
The cases and deaths in Iran are fake. Book it. Anyone believing they are doing anything other than trying to destabilize economy in hopes of hurting Trump is just being naive at best. Hell, Senator Murphy probably gave them the idea.
Theirs doesn't add up either. So you have no cases then you have 9 deaths?flown-the-coop said:
The cases and deaths in Iran are fake. Book it. Anyone believing they are doing anything other than trying to destabilize economy in hopes of hurting Trump is just being naive at best. Hell, Senator Murphy probably gave them the idea.
I said both the cases and death reports are fake.yukmonkey said:Theirs doesn't add up either. So you have no cases then you have 9 deaths?flown-the-coop said:
The cases and deaths in Iran are fake. Book it. Anyone believing they are doing anything other than trying to destabilize economy in hopes of hurting Trump is just being naive at best. Hell, Senator Murphy probably gave them the idea.
And I would submit if you sneeze in Iran right now you get the bullet.
Sounds to me like Iran is killing these people once they are infected to stop the spread of it.
That or Hillary Clinton is on vacation there.
That or Hillary Clinton is on vacation there.
trip said:
Sounds to me like Iran is killing these people once they are infected to stop the spread of it.
That or Hillary Clinton is on vacation there.
I see they stole NK's quarantine policy
This is how every country should report their cases.
KorbinDallas said:
They continue to play games changing the numbers, that explains the sudden drop in cases in China.
MERS is very similar and is also a coronavirus. It seems to randomly rear its ugly head now and then in the Middle East.The Fife said:My thoughts exactly, the symptoms are too similar to way too many other things out there. Misdiagnosis has to be rampant.VaultingChemist said:
May be a lot more undiagnosed cases.
Not saying it is MERS, but one has to question if the test kits for the Chinese virus could be tricked by MERS since they're not that dissimilar.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
One thing to consider concerning US cases.
I saw an article today that up until recently, there was (understandably) no ICD-10 code for COVID19 testing.
So, in order to bill insurance, they probably had to code it as something else. When you do that, it makes it hard to get accurate counts.
Now that the new code has been created, we may start to see actual hard numbers in the US.
I saw an article today that up until recently, there was (understandably) no ICD-10 code for COVID19 testing.
So, in order to bill insurance, they probably had to code it as something else. When you do that, it makes it hard to get accurate counts.
Now that the new code has been created, we may start to see actual hard numbers in the US.
flown-the-coop said:
The cases and deaths in Iran are fake. Book it. Anyone believing they are doing anything other than trying to destabilize economy in hopes of hurting Trump is just being naive at best. Hell, Senator Murphy probably gave them the idea.
I think you have flown the cu ckook's nest with that one. Iran would be a drop in the bucket compared to the impact from what China is doing right now economically. Iran has already maxed out their stockpile and are cutting production of oil.
How would that even work?flown-the-coop said:
The cases and deaths in Iran are fake. Book it. Anyone believing they are doing anything other than trying to destabilize economy in hopes of hurting Trump is just being naive at best. Hell, Senator Murphy probably gave them the idea.
The biggest economic impact from the virus is supply shortages from increased consumption and decreased production during quarantines.
USA already has a full boycott in place, so any shortages from Iran (real or imagined) will not directly impact our supply chains.
On the other hand, faking cases may lead other countries will restrict travel and trade with Iran.
Although Iran may have the motivation to harm Trump, they are in the worst position to harm us economically. Micronesia would have a bigger economic impact than Iran.
Faking cases would only hurt Iran and have practically no impact on America.
Not sure if test kits would pick it up.Rapier108 said:MERS is very similar and is also a coronavirus. It seems to randomly rear its ugly head now and then in the Middle East.The Fife said:My thoughts exactly, the symptoms are too similar to way too many other things out there. Misdiagnosis has to be rampant.VaultingChemist said:
May be a lot more undiagnosed cases.
Not saying it is MERS, but one has to question if the test kits for the Chinese virus could be tricked by MERS since they're not that dissimilar.
Camels are usually responsible for MERS infections, and Iran has a lot of them......so many that they are required to have license plates.
For small values, an exponential is approximately linear. Its not until you past a certain point that the exponential diverges from a linear model. Right now, other than the cruise ship, the numbers of infected are low and difficult to model as small sample sizes often are. That cruise ship suggests something that this is highly contagious in close quarters. Which is is the story in Hubei overall.JJMt said:The chart he's posting is a log scale, though. Any upslope is "exponential". However, my point is that if you take out the cruise ship, the slope is not upward, even on a log scale.wbt5845 said:
As a reference
username checks out.
I'd argue that the numbers in South Korea over the last week are concerning too. Certainly seems to be some acceleration there.mathguy86 said:For small values, an exponential is approximately linear. Its not until you past a certain point that the exponential diverges from a linear model. Right now, other than the cruise ship, the numbers of infected are low and difficult to model as small sample sizes often are. That cruise ship suggests something that this is highly contagious in close quarters. Which is is the story in Hubei overall.JJMt said:The chart he's posting is a log scale, though. Any upslope is "exponential". However, my point is that if you take out the cruise ship, the slope is not upward, even on a log scale.wbt5845 said:
As a reference
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