Does anyone believe that this virus was intentionally released in attempt to calm the political tension taking place in Hong Kong?

Need to torch San Antonio, wahoo chicken virus is in Texas.

Now that we are getting more data on the spread and infection rates for areas outside of China (Japan, namely), I am getting very concerned, and will just buy some extra ammo and water/canned goods for now.

China will have soon spent over a trillion dollars in extreme measures/economic impact of their shut down to mitigate this; there is no way they are doing so unless it is quite deadly/R0 numbers are pretty bad.

They are exactly like poll numbers - that and everyone whose ever taken a star class will "publish" data for their 10mins of fame. That said I think it is drastically under reported from the Chinese.

I can believe it was engineered to be a vaccine and went south quickly with mass unintended consequences.


The rest of world knows it's worse than the Chinese are letting on but $$ rules all so precautions have been slow rolled (publicly) and behind the scenes rather than sheer panic.

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Need to torch San Antonio, wahoo chicken virus is in Texas.

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I figured it would strike SA early on, in the US, what with how their city council fought so hard against CFA at the airport.

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Now that we are getting more data on the spread and infection rates for areas outside of China (Japan, namely), I am getting very concerned, and will just buy some extra ammo and water/canned goods for now.

China will have soon spent over a trillion dollars in extreme measures/economic impact of their shut down to mitigate this; there is no way they are doing so unless it is quite deadly/R0 numbers are pretty bad.

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Where are you getting the trillion number?

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#justtheflu

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so do the cops get hauled away too? they man handled these people with only a face mask on. No gloves, no special suits. Doesn't help to haul off sick people, if the people hauling them away are not protected. More likely this was something political or criminal in nature.

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The numbers outside of China still refuse to reflect what seems to be going on inside China.

First, there are only 3 deaths total outside of China. Again, only 3!

Second, the rate of growth outside of China is stubbornly linear, not exponential, if that damn plague ship is taken out of the figures. For the last week, the rate of growth is about 15 people per day worldwide outside of China, and most of those new infections are from people who were in China.

Yeah, I'm concerned, as we all should be, but the numbers outside of China are significantly and strangely different from within China.

And I haven't taken a hard look at the numbers inside China, but a quick look seems to indicate that the numbers outside of Huwai province are dramatically different than within the province. It's not just the total numbers but also the rate of growth, death rate, etc.

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So, who can give us a contrarian point of view to this? Just looking for two sides so I can decide what to buy at the store later today...

Thanks all, this thread is a great source of info so far.

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Some Americans think scenes like this couldn't happen on American soil. They're right only for as long as the citizens own fire arms.

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so do the cops get hauled away too? they man handled these people with only a face mask on. No gloves, no special suits. Doesn't help to haul off sick people, if the people hauling them away are not protected. More likely this was something political or criminal in nature.

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They weren't hauling them off because they were sick. They weren't following quarantine orders.

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And I haven't taken a hard look at the numbers inside China, but a quick look seems to indicate that the numbers outside of Hubei province are dramatically different than within the province. It's not just the total numbers but also the rate of growth, death rate, etc.

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Singapore is in a much warmer climate, yet the rates of infection are similar to Hubei. It has a lot of severe cases already. The prime minister is unsure if it can be controlled.

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6 critical, 17 recovered

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Seems crazy that this is the case, it has to be tied to a bad vaccine or something exaggerating the symptoms, maybe this virus is normally like the common cold but with the vaccine it explodes it into a death march

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The numbers outside of China still refuse to reflect what seems to be going on inside China.

First, there are only 3 deaths total outside of China. Again, only 3!

Second, the rate of growth outside of China is stubbornly linear, not exponential, if that damn plague ship is taken out of the figures. For the last week, the rate of growth is about 15 people per day worldwide outside of China, and most of those new infections are from people who were in China.

Yeah, I'm concerned, as we all should be, but the numbers outside of China are significantly and strangely different from within China.

And I haven't taken a hard look at the numbers inside China, but a quick look seems to indicate that the numbers outside of Huwai province are dramatically different than within the province. It's not just the total numbers but also the rate of growth, death rate, etc.

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So, who can give us a contrarian point of view to this? Just looking for two sides so I can decide what to buy at the store later today...

Thanks all, this thread is a great source of info so far.

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Check back in a week - I think you will see at least 3 countries in the 100s, up from the 50s.

I don't know about the 1 trillion # in China but I saw a headline today that Hong Kong has set aside 3.2 billion to deal with this.

They currently have less than 60 cases confirmed if I remember correctly.

Stupid question, but; is it possible this is a virus that impacts asians disproportionately?

I know some conditions do impact different races differently (sarcoids, some sickle cell mutations for blacks, RET lung cancer hits asians more, terrible at dancing, white people, etc), but I am not aware of any racial disparities impacting a viral infection liability/rate.

One of the theories floating around is that the Chinese pushed a mandatory vaccination that might have actually made their population more susceptible to an outbreak, instead of safeguarding it from one. That's all I got.

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While the metrics of public health might put the flu alongside or even ahead of the new coronavirus for sheer deadliness, the mind has its own ways of measuring danger.

Experts used to believe that people gauged risk like actuaries, parsing out cost-benefit analyses every time a merging car came too close or local crime rates spiked. But a wave of psychological experiments in the 1980s upended this thinking.

Researchers instead found that people use a set of mental shortcuts for measuring danger. And they tend to do it unconsciously, meaning that instinct can play a large role.

The coronavirus, which has created a wave of fear, may be a case in point.

"This hits all the hot buttons that lead to heightened risk perception," said Paul Slovic, a University of Oregon psychologist who helped pioneer modern risk psychology.

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Actually, if one thinks about it, a transmission rate that high early on should not be a shock.

-No one trying to avoid anyone who is sick because it is assumed to be just a cold or the flu
-People who are sick continue with normal activities because again, it doesn't appear to be serious
-No one taking extra precautions such as following all the usual advice on how to reduce the transmission of respiratory viruses
-Extreme population density which results in large crowds such as at markets or other places that were often visited daily or even multiple times a day
-Poor hygiene and the previously discussed Chinese habit of spitting everywhere
-Common for large numbers of family to be living together, in close quarters

For any virus that is easily transmissible, be it a rhinovirus, norovirus, influenza virus, or any strain of the coronavirus, this is nothing but a pool of gasoline waiting for the match.

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On paper (TexAgs), you statement (post) makes sense, however one needs to ask if any other epidemic has ever seen such a value?

Before R0 Values=4,5,6 would have been considered ludicrous. Has there ever been an R0=8 recorded?

If not, then I would suggest this be shocking.

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Unvaccinated mumps is like 10. Unvaccinated measles is like 16.

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Whooping cough is around R16, polio around 6, and Smallpox is also around 6, but its R0 value comes from the time when the vaccination process was well underway. Estimates put its R0 value as high as 20 before there was a vaccine for it.

Thankfully whooping cough and polio are easy to prevent with vaccinations and smallpox was wiped out save for samples in two labs. Smallpox was so contagious and potentially lethal is the reason why it was targeted for the worldwide vaccination program.

Here is an update from the UK. Quite a few cases that came up negative.

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so do the cops get hauled away too? they man handled these people with only a face mask on. No gloves, no special suits. Doesn't help to haul off sick people, if the people hauling them away are not protected. More likely this was something political or criminal in nature.

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Have you started to wonder if the cops, political figureheads and military are contracting the virus at the same rate as the population?

If they don't or are somehow magical immune to the virus, there could be something else happening in all of this.....

Medical facilities are not yet overwhelmed by sheer volume as they are in China. The rest of the world still has the luxury of being deliberate and treating these cases with the full resources required, especially for those who become exceptionally ill, and without the risk of it spreading rampantly in medical facilities.

That all changes if it blows up in one area and suddenly there are more patients than hospital beds and ICU and medical staff can treat or keep isolated.

So does 91% alcohol, for 99 cents a quart...outside the body.

Trigger warning: doomsday tweet ahead

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Some Americans think scenes like this couldn't happen on American soil. They're right only for as long as the citizens own fire arms.

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My hope is the videos and drastic measures we've seen are partly because the Chinese citizens don't trust anything the government has told them and are scared shttless and our fearing the worst. And what they've seen is already pretty bad.