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2% in a pandemic is really, really bad.
A really bad flu is 0.1% fatal.
This also seems to acutely affect about 10- 15% of the infected people, meaning 2 or more weeks convalescing, hospitalization, possibly even oxygen. That is weeks not at work, not able to be in public, etc.

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I mean, yeah, 2% is nothing to dismiss, either. This is pretty freakin' serious.

Also, mind you the death rate might not be as bad here. We know two common things about the acute cases:

1) The elderly
2) Smokers.

There's far less #2 here than in China.

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I saw an old stat from 2012 that had the smoking rate for men at 48%, but I am not sure if that was China as a whole or just Wuhan.

On a separate note 141 pages in 23 days...Wow.

scottimus said:

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I would suggest a Global pandemic with a R0=~2-3 and Death Rate of 2%- 3%. People would state that is crazy speak.

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And if you go back to the beginning of this thread, the predicted death rate from the Twitter experts, and some people here, was anywhere from 60% to 100%, the latter tied to the Soviet bio weapon conspiracy.

And some wonder why many mock the hysterics on this thread.

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Snap E Tom said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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2% in a pandemic is really, really bad.
A really bad flu is 0.1% fatal.
This also seems to acutely affect about 10- 15% of the infected people, meaning 2 or more weeks convalescing, hospitalization, possibly even oxygen. That is weeks not at work, not able to be in public, etc.

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I mean, yeah, 2% is nothing to dismiss, either. This is pretty freakin' serious.

Also, mind you the death rate might not be as bad here. We know two common things about the acute cases:

1) The elderly
2) Smokers.

There's far less #2 here than in China.

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I saw an old stat from 2012 that had the smoking rate for men at 48%, but I am not sure if that was China as a whole or just Wuhan.

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A stat I saw on here was in China 60% of men over the age of 25 smoke.

60% of men in China over the age of 25 are smokers.

Although the CFR is about 2%, the main issue is that 10% to 20% of those infected require two-week hospitalization. In addition, we don't know the long term lung damage that is sustained by those who recover.

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I would suggest a Global pandemic with a R0=~2-3 and Death Rate of 2%- 3%. People would state that is crazy speak.

But don't worry, we can go back and quote people....for now lets wait and see if Singapore, Japan, & SAN ANTONIO produce any real data.

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May be semantics but I'm not sure how something so uncertain as global pandemic on this scale can be "denied" or whatever the opposite of "denied" is given the inherent uncertainty and lack of verifiable data. I'm keen to see what the cruise ship results are. Hopefully they are able to get all of those people tested and treated. Probably as close to a controlled experiment as we are going to get on this thing assuming the ChiComs aren't doing ACTUAL controlled experiments with this in some of their prison camps.

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Any news on the 14 positive cases in the US? I thought I remembered hearing a couple released from hospital to be monitored at home but not sure.

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The guy in Washington was released late last week for home recovery and isolation. He was mild. I believe the Chicago cases were released, too.

The Johns Hopkins map, if you click on the dots in the US, will show them as "recovered" if they are. It won't remove them from the map or remove the count from "cases" though, so visually, without details, it makes it look a bit worse than it is.

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The 35-year-old guy in Washington almost died. As a last resort, they used an experimental antiviral drug, remdesivir, to treat him.

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Where did you read he almost died? I read the NEJM article about his case and while it sounds like he was progressing towards becoming a severe case based on xrays and symptoms, I think it's way premature to say he almost died.

Is there more credible info out there on this case?

VaultingChemist said:

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Snap E Tom said:

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GE said:

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Any news on the 14 positive cases in the US? I thought I remembered hearing a couple released from hospital to be monitored at home but not sure.

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The guy in Washington was released late last week for home recovery and isolation. He was mild. I believe the Chicago cases were released, too.

The Johns Hopkins map, if you click on the dots in the US, will show them as "recovered" if they are. It won't remove them from the map or remove the count from "cases" though, so visually, without details, it makes it look a bit worse than it is.

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The 35-year-old guy in Washington almost died. As a last resort, they used an experimental antiviral drug, remdesivir, to treat him.

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That's not a good example for several reasons.

1) He was the first case in the US, with incomplete info coming of China at that point.
2) He had gone almost a week without intervention.
3) Remdesivir was administered one day after oxygen was administered. We know now that oxygen therapy greatly helps.

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Sen. Josh Hawley was briefed twice yesterday on COVID-19 and he just publicly stated that the Chi-coms are severely under reporting the cases and deaths and have therefore put the rest of the world at much greater risk. He said the US government is preparing for the worst by taking all measures necessary to accomplish that.

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https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/02/13/us-military-prepping-for-coronavirus-pandemic/

The US Military is now prepping for a corona virus pandemic. How often do things like this happen?

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The military prepares for the worst. It is their job.

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Exactly. The US military is also prepped for nuclear war at a moment's notice. (And I'm a coronavirus pessimist, but not quite a doomsayer)

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Rapier108 said:

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Schu in Mizzou said:

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Sen. Josh Hawley was briefed twice yesterday on COVID-19 and he just publicly stated that the Chi-coms are severely under reporting the cases and deaths and have therefore put the rest of the world at much greater risk. He said the US government is preparing for the worst by taking all measures necessary to accomplish that.

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https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/02/13/us-military-prepping-for-coronavirus-pandemic/

The US Military is now prepping for a corona virus pandemic. How often do things like this happen?

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The military prepares for the worst. It is their job.

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Exactly. The US military is also prepped for nuclear war at a moment's notice. (And I'm a coronavirus pessimist, but not quite a doomsayer)

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Interesting analogy...

Question: Is the threat of nuclear war contained? ...asking for a friend.

This is going to be impossible to contain for these reasons.

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VaultingChemist said:

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Snap E Tom said:

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GE said:

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Any news on the 14 positive cases in the US? I thought I remembered hearing a couple released from hospital to be monitored at home but not sure.

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The guy in Washington was released late last week for home recovery and isolation. He was mild. I believe the Chicago cases were released, too.

The Johns Hopkins map, if you click on the dots in the US, will show them as "recovered" if they are. It won't remove them from the map or remove the count from "cases" though, so visually, without details, it makes it look a bit worse than it is.

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The 35-year-old guy in Washington almost died. As a last resort, they used an experimental antiviral drug, remdesivir, to treat him.

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Where did you read he almost died? I read the NEJM article about his case and while it sounds like he was progressing towards becoming a severe case based on xrays and symptoms, I think it's way premature to say he almost died.

Is there more credible info out there on this case?

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"The drug was approved for use on compassionate grounds"

First Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus in the United States

Compassionate approval means he was about to die.

Still have apocalyptic actions in China

Still have deliberate data falsification in China

Still have all manner of misinfo or no info in rotw

Still moving data on how deadly, how contagious, how transmitted, how long etc

So far not a huge deal outside China a****

But the numbers are starting to grow. The mood and rumors are getting much more serious. If things start looking here in the next few weeks like they did in China in December then it's a major event.

nsiap

https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2020/02/03/heres-how-two-local-biotechs-plan-to-have-a.html

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nsiap

https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2020/02/03/heres-how-two-local-biotechs-plan-to-have-a.html

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Can you post the content of this article?

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ccaggie05 said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Snap E Tom said:

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GE said:

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Any news on the 14 positive cases in the US? I thought I remembered hearing a couple released from hospital to be monitored at home but not sure.

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The guy in Washington was released late last week for home recovery and isolation. He was mild. I believe the Chicago cases were released, too.

The Johns Hopkins map, if you click on the dots in the US, will show them as "recovered" if they are. It won't remove them from the map or remove the count from "cases" though, so visually, without details, it makes it look a bit worse than it is.

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The 35-year-old guy in Washington almost died. As a last resort, they used an experimental antiviral drug, remdesivir, to treat him.

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Where did you read he almost died? I read the NEJM article about his case and while it sounds like he was progressing towards becoming a severe case based on xrays and symptoms, I think it's way premature to say he almost died.

Is there more credible info out there on this case?

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"The drug was approved for use on compassionate grounds"

First Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus in the United States

Compassionate approval means he was about to die.

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Compassionate drug use (or sometimes just compassionate use) is the use of a new, unapproved drug to treat a seriously ill patient when no other treatments are available. Drugs that are being tested but have not yet been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are called investigational drugs.

What strange bolding. It really does nothing but muddy your point.

The virus is apparently far less deadly than first feared: Good News

"The coronavirus has killed more than 1,300 people, brought a huge swath of central China to a standstill and rattled millions around the globe with hints of a pandemic seen in Hollywood fantasies.

But the virus's destructive potential has overshadowed one encouraging aspect of this outbreak: So far, about 82 percent of the cases including all 14 in the United States have been mild, with symptoms that require little or no medical intervention. And that proportion may be an undercount."

(SIAP)

claym711 said:

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What strange bolding. It really does nothing but muddy your point.

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Direct copy and paste from google search result. Didn't even notice it

I Have Spoken said:

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Singapore airshow started on 2/11; this is a huge show for the entire region. I know some US companies pulled out. We did not.
https://www.singaporeairshow.com/

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Everything I read has said it was cancelled?
https://asianaviation.com/singapore-airshow-may-be-muted-affair/

Ahhh, I see, this was only a part of the show. Was thinking it was listed on the list published by Daily Mail yesterday of conferences cancelled- cause I was really hoping the 2 I am set to attend in March are on the list.

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nsiap

https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2020/02/03/heres-how-two-local-biotechs-plan-to-have-a.html

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Can you post the content of this article?

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Basically CureVac and Moderna are moving forward on developing mRNA vaccines, and because they don't have to be incubated in chicken eggs, they don't need to be incubated in chicken eggs, which can take several months.

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A Taiwanese PhD student said she feels discriminated against after London Airbnb hosts canceled her booking at the last minute, citing fears about coronavirus.

Yale University student Louise Hsin-Yuan Peng, who traveled from Taiwan to London earlier this month to conduct research for three months, received a cancellation message from the hosts of her long-term booking that said they were concerned about the virus outbreak and had to "err on the side of caution."

She received the cancellation message when she was about to arrive, after already messaging the hosts when she landed at the airport in London and taking a train to the city center.

"I was really shocked," Hsin-Yuan told CNN. "I certainly think it was xenophobic because you're just scared of me without knowing anything about me."

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[url] https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-13-20-intl-hnk/index.html[/url]


I've stopped going to Chinese buffets......I love Chinese buffets, got to make sacrifices sometimes.

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But the virus's destructive potential has overshadowed one encouraging aspect of this outbreak: So far, about 82 percent of the cases including all 14 in the United States have been mild, with symptoms that require little or no medical intervention. And that proportion may be an undercount."

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That is false.

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The virus is apparently far less deadly than first feared: Good News

"The coronavirus has killed more than 1,300 people, brought a huge swath of central China to a standstill and rattled millions around the globe with hints of a pandemic seen in Hollywood fantasies.

But the virus's destructive potential has overshadowed one encouraging aspect of this outbreak: So far, about 82 percent of the cases including all 14 in the United States have been mild, with symptoms that require little or no medical intervention. And that proportion may be an undercount."

(SIAP)

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Well, except for that one guy that wasn't mild

So one of the people at Lackland in San Antonio has the virus. He has had contact with many if not most of the others quarantined.

Are they going to restart the clock on those people and keep them for 14 days, starting today?

Admin - as in Trump admin.

Slow rolling the number build up. They know how bad it is on the streets in China. Getting people slowly prepared for a big jump as this heats up.

Drip drip drip. Instead of the fire hose at full blast. Control the narrative with subdued thought shaping messages from "unofficial sources"

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You have to wonder if the vaporized bleach actually works, or if it's just a show from the commies.

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ccaggie05 said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Snap E Tom said:

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GE said:

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Any news on the 14 positive cases in the US? I thought I remembered hearing a couple released from hospital to be monitored at home but not sure.

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The guy in Washington was released late last week for home recovery and isolation. He was mild. I believe the Chicago cases were released, too.

The Johns Hopkins map, if you click on the dots in the US, will show them as "recovered" if they are. It won't remove them from the map or remove the count from "cases" though, so visually, without details, it makes it look a bit worse than it is.

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The 35-year-old guy in Washington almost died. As a last resort, they used an experimental antiviral drug, remdesivir, to treat him.

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Where did you read he almost died? I read the NEJM article about his case and while it sounds like he was progressing towards becoming a severe case based on xrays and symptoms, I think it's way premature to say he almost died.

Is there more credible info out there on this case?

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"The drug was approved for use on compassionate grounds"

First Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus in the United States

Compassionate approval means he was about to die.

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WTF. It does not mean he was about to dies. It means there's no other drugs out there, and Coronavirus was certainly the case. There's a lot of subtleties with it.

https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/clinical-trials/compassionate-drug-use.html

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So one of the people at Lackland in San Antonio has the virus. He has had contact with many if not most of the others quarantined.

Are they going to restart the clock on those people and keep them for 14 days, starting today?

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That's a good question. I have to assume the quarantine means also quarantined from one another.

GE said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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So one of the people at Lackland in San Antonio has the virus. He has had contact with many if not most of the others quarantined.

Are they going to restart the clock on those people and keep them for 14 days, starting today?

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That's a good question. I have to assume the quarantine means also quarantined from one another.

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The San Antonio CDC lady could not answer that question. She stated that she would wait for guidance from CDC.

GE said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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So one of the people at Lackland in San Antonio has the virus. He has had contact with many if not most of the others quarantined.

Are they going to restart the clock on those people and keep them for 14 days, starting today?

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That's a good question. I have to assume the quarantine means also quarantined from one another.

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When the first group got here and were quarantined in CA, there were vids from the inside where they were all hanging out. Some had masks, some didn't.

Hope that has changed...

The economic impact of this is going to be huge. China is going to take a hit not only from lost productivity now, but the entire supply change shift is going to accelerate to diversify out of there.

PearlJammin said:

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GE said:

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OldArmy71 said:

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So one of the people at Lackland in San Antonio has the virus. He has had contact with many if not most of the others quarantined.

Are they going to restart the clock on those people and keep them for 14 days, starting today?

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That's a good question. I have to assume the quarantine means also quarantined from one another.

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The San Antonio CDC lady could not answer that question. She stated that she would wait for guidance from CDC.

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So just a talking head who can't think for herself. Awesome.