Why would China need to announce it when it is in their own publication posted on their own website?

http://www.gov.cn/zhengce/zhengceku/2020-02/07/5475813/files/9a774a4defee44daa05894138bd0509a.pdf

The screenshot in question came from page 15.

From google translate:

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Select "new coronavirus pneumonia" in the network reportable disease types, and
Select "Suspect Cases", "Clinical Diagnosis Cases" (only in Hubei Province),
"Confirmed case", "Positive test" report. Suspected cases, clinically diagnosed cases
(Only in Hubei Province) and the "clinical severity" classification of confirmed cases
Coronary virus-infected pneumonia diagnosis and treatment plan (trial version 5) "in the online direct report system
Select "light", "normal", "heavy" or "critical" for classification
Report. Positive test refers to those with asymptomatic infection, corresponding to "No
Symptoms infected. "
The reported "suspected cases" and "clinical diagnosed cases" (only in Hubei Province) are based on
The results of laboratory tests should be corrected as "confirmed cases" or eliminated in time. Reported
If "asymptomatic infection" appears clinically, it should be corrected to "confirmed case" in time.
In all cases, in the "Clinical Severity", timely order based on disease progress
Positive, with the most severe state of the case as its final state.

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Positive test but asymptomatic means "No symptoms infected"

The new true measure for number of infected should be "no symptoms infected" + "confirmed" (instead of just confirmed)

lunchbox said:

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Chinese dorm (based on the translation) cleanout...they are just tossing everything over the railings to the ground below...

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More context to the video posted earlier...

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3049921/tsing-yi-residents-evacuated-hong-kong-health

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The precautionary move was sparked by the case of a 62-year-old woman in Room 7 on the third floor of Hong Mei House at Cheung Hong Estate. She was Hong Kong's 42nd and latest case as of 1.30am on Tuesday.

She was found to have lived below a man on the 13th floor confirmed to be infected earlier. The two flats share the same drainage system, which is being investigated as a possible route of transmission.

Residents living in 35 flats linked to the drainage system were evacuated overnight and put on medical surveillance, as building inspectors moved in.

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Will be interesting to see if other carriers follow suit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.khou.com/amp/article/news/local/local-leaders-beg-customers-to-return-to-chinatown/285-a817124d-d143-49e7-8a52-dd88cd6125f7

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/amp/False-Coronavirus-rumors-crush-business-as-they-15021425.php

Ilol be the first to say the mrs and I wanted Chinese food last night, instead of our usual spot we decided on pei wei since it's just a chain and less likely someone from the mainland...and I don't really feel bad about it

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The severe case percentage and the requirements for that are why China has been overwhelmed. 100% of the severe cases needing supplemental oxygen of a virus that is highly contagious and has 15% severe cases is brutal. This would turn ICUs into death traps very quickly, especially since it's airborne. Combine this with the insane incubation periods and yeah it's a major issue since it's very likely ICUs could get hit all at once.

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If this is true, it would explain the paradox of why the virus seems so severe, yet not so massively threatening.

Needing supplemental oxygen in 100% cases is insane burden --- just think of all the places where no such supplemental oxygen option or center would be immediately at hand. And that is here--- let alone 2nd and third world scenarios.

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Since I'm a capitalist, anyone know any publicly traded companies that make 02 tanks?

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Linde is an industrial gas company who owns praxair who is the largest medical gas company in the US

Airgas is up there too but I don't really know anything about them.

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Just the flu......

So with all these people being locked in their homes. What happens when one of them gets sick? I guess they suffer through at home and hope to make it?

I'm guessing that this would help keep confirmed numbers down, but just traps families together to let it run through.

Also why do all these door look like they open outward? I don't remember a single place I have lived having an outward opening door.

Not buying it. Those measures are too severe for just a flu. But it may mean they know there is a certain time range they can wait out.

Someone needs to button-hole President Trump about this--preferably in one of those walks to a vehicle or chopper where he expounds freely. Ask if we have verified what level of risk it is with official behind scenes Chinese sources. Are we ready to shut down all return travel if need to? That kind of thing.

Pretty sad. Effective but completely untenable in a place that values freedom.

FriscoKid said:

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https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-10-20-intl-hnk/index.html

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"As the pipeline that transfers feces is connected to the air pipe, it is very likely for the virus in the feces to be transmitted through the air fan into the toilet," Professor Yuen said.

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Wouldn't it smell better if your HVAC and sewage pipes were different?

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At first I thought he was talking about the vent pipe but after reading the article, I'm not so sure.

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CSTXAg92 said:

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I have not been following this thread closely, so apologies if these questions have been answered previously. Can someone who has been following this issue closely offer some perspective on the following:

1) There are videos of doors being welded shut and bodies being placed in hazmat bags. This seems very extreme for a virus that although very contagious is said to cause flu like symptoms. Seems as though there's more to this story than is being shared.

2) Why is the virus lethal? What does it actually do? Airway restriction? Internal bleeding? Organ failure?

3) Is the virus lethal over there b/c they have poor/inadequate healthcare, or would it be equally lethal in the U.S?

3) What is treatment?

Thanks in advance. I'll hang up and listen.

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In regards to #2
This paper was released.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.06.20020974v1.full.pdf
It's by Chinese expert Zhong Nan-Shan

A good breakdown is done by reporter William Yang @ WilliamYang120 on twitter

During hospital admission, the most common complication was pneumonia (79.1%), then is ARDS (3.37%) and shock (1%).

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Ty basketaggie.

May the link below will shed some light on things ... maybe, just maybe this also explain why we are not seeing as much spread outside of China...

Also, not going so far as to say that everything we see is false in regard to welding people in their own homes... but maybe the reports are a little misleading... maybe people are being evicted from their homes and the doors are being welded shut so that people can't get back in.

Why China Stinks? Deficiencies in Chinese Plumbing and Ventilation Systems

Not that the numbers out of that regime would have any meaning but North Korea has the potential to be a total shiite show. I can't help but wonder where that country is right now given their massive trade and tourism relationship with China. I read their border is closed, but...if the virus is already in-country, and I assume it is, all bets are off.

I work for a school district in the Houston area, and we now have a coronavirus update link on our district's homepage. All it says right now is "keep watching for updates," but it's more than I expected.

I Have Spoken said:

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Pretty sad. Effective but completely untenable in a place that values freedom.

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And when this slips through the gaps, and spreads in the US, how bad do you think it will get?

Do you believe our current government will be able to stop something of this magnitude? I have absolutely no faith in the CDC or our general population. I'd be the last to advocate for an authoritarian government, but I bet they have a better shot at limiting the spread compared to us.

If our population is forced to stay in their homes for 2 to 3 weeks, there would be outright panic and blood in the streets. Stores would dry up without supply chains.

So the predicted movements are essentially the entire globe per that diagram?

we don't live in a polluted cesspool. i think the spread will be minimal, and our medical community will be more equipped to deal with it.

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So the predicted movements are essentially the entire globe per that diagram?

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Lots of Wuhan residents taking business and vacation trips. It would look the same if the epidemic had started in L.A. or another large city.

FriscoKid said:

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https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-10-20-intl-hnk/index.html

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"As the pipeline that transfers feces is connected to the air pipe, it is very likely for the virus in the feces to be transmitted through the air fan into the toilet," Professor Yuen said.

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Wouldn't it smell better if your HVAC and sewage pipes were different?

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This is a prime example of why I'm holding off on any significant concern about the potential impact in the US. It seems that China is perhaps the most perfect place on the planet for a disease to get out of control.

>insane population and population density.
>high mobility via public transit system
>general disregard for personal or communal hygiene.
>little focus on sanitation and air quality.
>generally unhealthy population of smokers, smog breathers and under-nourished.
>inadequate healthcare system of poor quality.

I mean, could you have a more perfect recipe for an outbreak?

Much of the transmission there has taken place in hospitals for goodness sake while people wait around for hours/days in hopes of seeing a doctor. Most folks are just put in a bed in whatever tent, or sidewalk, or building to wait it out (or just told to go home and stay inside) and can't even get basic treatment. OF COURSE the virus is going to spread like wildfire, and OF COURSE the mortality rate is going to be inflated!! What else would anyone expect given these conditions and environment?

I see a very different situation in the US in every way. So to assume the situation in China is in any way indicative of what the impact might be in the US, I think is a bit misguided. That's not to suggest we should be completely dismissive, and I am certainly paying attention. But I'm not ready to declare a pending state of emergency just yet.

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we don't live in a polluted cesspool. i think the spread will be minimal, and our medical community will be more equipped to deal with it.

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You give us way too much credit. Consider the number of adult booger picking coaches you've seen on texags alone. Consider the number of nasty MFers that leave the public restroom and don't wash their hands. Do you think they bother at home?? No, we are far from immune from the spread of even standard flu.

Dr. Fauci of NIH just stated that preliminary safety trials of a vaccine are about 8 weeks away from beginning.

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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we don't live in a polluted cesspool. i think the spread will be minimal, and our medical community will be more equipped to deal with it.

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You give us way too much credit. Consider the number of adult booger picking coaches you've seen on texags alone. Consider the number of nasty MFers that leave the public restroom and don't wash their hands. Do you think they bother at home?? No, we are far from immune from the spread of even standard flu.

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Homeless population in places like LA, SF, Austin seem like perfect hosts for Corona virus outbreak in the US

Thanks liberal politicians for creating the perfect environment for a public health crisis (its not like nobody warned you or anything)