scottimus said:

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So I am assuming that just like the flu, a virus mutation would mean that a previous vaccination would not work and would need to be updated ?

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That is the main conjecture from the Thailand News article.

lunchbox said:

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So.....

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video:

Don't take that the wrong way. I'm concerned it's going to hit us BUT I mean I don't think we'll see martial law declared and have people locked down like China because the virus is spreading uncontrollably.

We should be able to slow / limit the effects if people pull together and change habits. Hand washing/sanitizer, don't go to work if you are sick, cover your mouth when you cough, be aware of surfaces when in public, etc. In addition, the healthcare system has better testing methods and knowledge of what they are looking for, better communication, catching outbreaks before they get out of hand, etc.

Before any of this started, I NEVER thought about using sanitizer in a grocery store. Now, I'm washing the damn carts head to toe before I touch them and I use sanitizer when I get back in my truck after being in public. I am guessing there are a lot of people doing the same. It's not hard, just takes a little discipline.


In other words, we are better prepared than the Chinese were.


All bets are off when it comes to the economic impacts though, that's another story.

Seeing unconfirmed reports that 3 Americans on one of the cruise ships have tested positive for the virus. No verified report yet.

Fire in a hole and the presumption is burning bodies?

Mr.Infectious said:

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Don't take that the wrong way. I'm concerned it's going to hit us BUT I mean I don't think we'll see martial law declared and have people locked down like China because the virus is spreading uncontrollably.

We should be able to slow / limit the effects if people pull together and change habits. Hand washing/sanitizer, don't go to work if you are sick, cover your mouth when you cough, be aware of surfaces when in public, etc. In addition, the healthcare system has better testing methods and knowledge of what they are looking for, better communication, catching outbreaks before they get out of hand, etc.

Before any of this started, I NEVER thought about using sanitizer in a grocery store. Now, I'm washing the damn carts head to toe before I touch them and I use sanitizer when I get back in my truck after being in public. I am guessing there are a lot of people doing the same. It's not hard, just takes a little discipline.


In other words, we are better prepared than the Chinese were.


All bets are off when it comes to the economic impacts though, that's another story.

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My concerns have been about 2.5/10 for local health risk and 7.5/10 for local economic risk.

When a country that manufactures 20% of the world's goods is crippled, it will have many undesirable ripple effects.

Mr.Infectious said:

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Don't take that the wrong way. I'm concerned it's going to hit us BUT I mean I don't think we'll see martial law declared and have people locked down like China because the virus is spreading uncontrollably.

We should be able to slow / limit the effects if people pull together and change habits. Hand washing/sanitizer, don't go to work if you are sick, cover your mouth when you cough, be aware of surfaces when in public, etc. In addition, the healthcare system has better testing methods and knowledge of what they are looking for, better communication, catching outbreaks before they get out of hand, etc.

Before any of this started, I NEVER thought about using sanitizer in a grocery store. Now, I'm washing the damn carts head to toe before I touch them and I use sanitizer when I get back in my truck after being in public. I am guessing there are a lot of people doing the same. It's not hard, just takes a little discipline.


In other words, we are better prepared than the Chinese were.


All bets are off when it comes to the economic impacts though, that's another story.

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My mom (she's 70 now) wears disposable gloves to the grocery store during flu season. I thought she was crazy in years past, but not so much right now.

lead said:

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Fire in a hole in Wuhan China where millions are quarantined and a novel coranvirus initiated and the presumption is burning bodies?

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fify


Yes!

lead said:

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Fire in a hole and the presumption is burning bodies?

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They are fighting a weed problem, like my dad use to do back in the day in west texas.

So I'm curious though, as we all wait to see how things shake out with this--
has anyone cancelled travel plans?

Say you were going to Europe next month and would be meeting with people from all around the world, including Asian countries. Would you still take your trip?

basketaggie said:

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So I'm curious though, as we all wait to see how things shake out with this--
has anyone cancelled travel plans?

Say you were going to Europe next month and would be meeting with people from all around the world, including Asian countries. Would you still take your trip?

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I cancelled a work trip to Seoul.

scottimus said:

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lead said:

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Fire in a hole in Wuhan China where millions are quarantined and a novel coranvirus initiated and the presumption is burning bodies?

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fify

Yes!

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My first guess would be bedsheets, clothes, etc. or just trash since there's no where to ship it?

Couldn't that also be a ground fire that the fire department can't get to because they are on lock down? I'd need to see during day to make a determination.

Are they only burning corpses at night? Where are the trucks unloading bodies? Why would you set up a burn pit where there are so many witnesses in high rise buildings?

Fake Twitter news IMO.

lead said:

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scottimus said:

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lead said:

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Fire in a hole in Wuhan China where millions are quarantined and a novel coranvirus initiated and the presumption is burning bodies?

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fify

Yes!

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My first guess would be bedsheets, clothes, etc. or just trash since there's no where to ship it?

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Burning infected bedding and clothing would definitely make sense

I don't know how long you have been following this thread...but go ahead and look up gutter oil use in China.

No way they would just throw linens away...

I'm not saying its bodies....I just don't think it's bed sheets!

I think everyone would agree that the actions of the Chinese have escalated faster than the numbers have (which is why I don't trust the numbers).

Cremation was already very popular pre-virus and there are multiple reports of crematoriums being overrun with bodies 24/7.

If they haven't reached the point of needing to burn bodies in the open, I don't think it will be much longer.

Zemira said:

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That is incredibly scary and you know how Trump is literally Hitler and locking people up in concentration camps?

Well China has a epidemic and is likely committing atrocities at the same time and killing hundreds of not thousands of people. Plus why are they burning bodies in trenches (if this is what it is?) since cremation is done at 1400-1800 degrees Fahrenheit? Are they just burning the bodies due to the virus?

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That's what I wondered, because if that's really what's in the trenches I think there would be a lot left over for anyone with a camera that has a decent zoom would be able to see once daylight comes.

Burning bodies in the open in the middle of the city makes zero sense, China as desperate as they are aren't that dumb/desperate.

Edit x2: Also the smell would be unbearable and one of the first signs in some of these leaks. It's a never forget smell FYI.
- could also be a way to dispose of human waste, hospital piss/crap mixed in with household goods

My guess is clothing/linen/household goods

I spoke with a vendor this morning that is located around Shanghai, said most people are working from home if at all. That is 429 miles or a 9 hour drive away. This will start effecting the economy soon, how much we will see.

They did mention it was way worse than what the government is reporting.

lunchbox said:

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So.....

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Does anyone know the name/location of those red buildings?

Simple explanation is it may be just trash. I doubt the garbage trucks are making routine pick ups. Then Again I Don't know if they use trucks or just pitch it into the nearest body of water.

basketaggie said:

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So I'm curious though, as we all wait to see how things shake out with this--
has anyone cancelled travel plans?

Say you were going to Europe next month and would be meeting with people from all around the world, including Asian countries. Would you still take your trip?

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I canceled a work trip to Austria, but I dont like to travel so it worked out.

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The Chinese doctor who tried to warn others about the Wuhan coronavirus has died, according to several state media reports.
Li Wenliang, a 34-year-old doctor working in Wuhan, raised the alarm about the novel coronavirus in December, posting in his medical school alumni group on the Chinese messaging app WeChat that seven patients from a local seafood market had been diagnosed with a SARS-like illness and were quarantined in his hospital.
Soon after he posted the message, Li was accused of rumor-mongering by the Wuhan police. He was one of several medics targeted by police for trying to blow the whistle on the deadly virus in the early weeks of the outbreak, which has sickened more than 28,000 people and killed more than 560.

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From CNN

Agvet12 said:

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Burning bodies in the open in the middle of the city makes zero sense, China as desperate as they are aren't that dumb/desperate.

Edit x2: Also the smell would be unbearable and one of the first signs in some of these leaks. It's a never forget smell FYI.
- could also be a way to dispose of human waste, hospital piss/crap mixed in with household goods

My guess is clothing/linen/household goods

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I like your thought process....Question: What does China normally smell like?

scottimus said:

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Agvet12 said:

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Burning bodies in the open in the middle of the city makes zero sense, China as desperate as they are aren't that dumb/desperate.

Edit x2: Also the smell would be unbearable and one of the first signs in some of these leaks. It's a never forget smell FYI.
- could also be a way to dispose of human waste, hospital piss/crap mixed in with household goods

My guess is clothing/linen/household goods

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I like your thought process....Question: What does China normally smell like?

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Couldn't tell ya, as I've never been, but burnt **** smells different than body(ies) - I can tell you that much lol

What's the soccer doc up to? Whistling in a room on fire?

Google translate:

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Video sound:
"I was transferred to this place at 12 o'clock last night! There is no toilet in the Wuzhan Fangfang Hospital! There is no toilet! There is no medicine to drink! There is no boiling water! The toilet must be outside, more than 200 meters away! No isolation! Just this board !help me
Reflect it on the community! Sisters! "

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thats a lot of sick people.