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Just throwing this out there ... not sure this has been posted here yet? Makes a lot of sense, but pretty dam unbelievable if true ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

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Per a doctor I was discussing this with, of all the options to make a weaponized virus, coronavirus would be wayyyy down the list.

It is equivalent of making a race car out of a honda accord. It is not the one you would start with.

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everyone has their opinions... maybe they don't want something that will kill 15-25% of the population, they only want something to "thin the herd" and can easily be blamed on something else like the "fish market" or "monkey" virus.. you never know what the intentions of these people are. If they released a virus that would kill 20% of the population, they may eventually find out it was man made? and they would take too much heat for doing it

fullback44 said:

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trip said:

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fullback44 said:

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Just throwing this out there ... not sure this has been posted here yet? Makes a lot of sense, but pretty dam unbelievable if true ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

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Per a doctor I was discussing this with, of all the options to make a weaponized virus, coronavirus would be wayyyy down the list.

It is equivalent of making a race car out of a honda accord. It is not the one you would start with.

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everyone has their opinions... maybe they don't want something that will kill 15-25% of the population, they only want something to "thin the herd" and can easily be blamed on something else like the "fish market" or "monkey" virus.. you never know what the intentions of these people are. If they released a virus that would kill 20% of the population, they may eventually find out it was man made? and they would take too much heat for doing it

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I was thinking the same thing. From a weapons standpoint, what if you could disable a vast majority of your enemy for a period of time due to illness. You would either then be fighting the sick or have free rein on the battlefield.

Or they want something that will at least spread in one area quickly, disrupting the local economy /manufacturing, cause quarantines, and produce a larger effect on the global economy and in particular cause an economic decline or slowdown in the U.S. during an election year. When nothing else was going to stop this economy.

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Or they want something that will at least spread in one area quickly, disrupting the local economy /manufacturing, cause quarantines, and produce a larger effect on the global economy and in particular cause an economic decline or slowdown in the U.S. during an election year. When nothing else was going to stop this economy.

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yes, I agree, they know the spread rate of this and release it just timely enough to effect an election... they know a lot, I would suspect a lot more than they will tell us. This virus was supposedly studied in detail in the Netherlands and Canada per reports already out their on who was studying it within the last 10 plus years

fullback44 said:

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trip said:

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fullback44 said:

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Just throwing this out there ... not sure this has been posted here yet? Makes a lot of sense, but pretty dam unbelievable if true ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

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Per a doctor I was discussing this with, of all the options to make a weaponized virus, coronavirus would be wayyyy down the list.

It is equivalent of making a race car out of a honda accord. It is not the one you would start with.

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everyone has their opinions... maybe they don't want something that will kill 15-25% of the population, they only want something to "thin the herd" and can easily be blamed on something else like the "fish market" or "monkey" virus.. you never know what the intentions of these people are. If they released a virus that would kill 20% of the population, they may eventually find out it was man made? and they would take too much heat for doing it

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fair point.

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Good Trump.

Trump should've posed travel restrictions the minute it started. You can't screw around with any kind of disease no matter how fatal when it's festering in a country of 2 billion people.

Coronavirus now confirmed in Germany

Lock. It. Down. Perfect excuse. Mexico has an incredible economic opportunity to capitalize on this long term imo.

I manage a drilling product supply chain for one of the big service providers. Last two days have been a scramble drill to set up alternate source of supply for commodity elements in our products that are sourced exclusively through China.

Cost of goods will almost certainly take a hit. These next couple weeks are going to be very sporty for in regards to supply continuity too.

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The drop in production from China will have real economic effects this quarter and maybe next.

China is a disaster waiting to happen regarding infectious disease due to the population density and poor cultural hygiene practices, particularly in poorer areas.

There will be global economic consequences.

The virus is basically comparable to a bad flu. There are other viruses of this type that have circulated through the human population. Widespread exposure to this one is apparently unprecedented in modern times. Still, though it seems pretty dangerous, it is likely to not be as deadly or infectious in western nations with better health and sanitation and hygiene.

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We absolutely can't trust the numbers coming out from China. However a 20% complication rate of serious or critical patients isn't a bad flu. Yes we have better health, nutrition, cultural hygiene practices, and sanitation. If this thing gets loose in say Singapore before it gets over here, those numbers or Japan's numbers are what I'll be looking at very closely.

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I disagree. A 20% complication rate is horrendous.

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That's my point. Dismissing this as a bad flu when the numbers we do have to work with show a 20% complication rate is silly.

Not sure why the CDC won't say it publicly, but we definitely have human to human transmission going on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/28/germany-japan-and-taiwan-report-first-coronavirus-patients-who-didnt-visit-china/amp/

Edit: it looks like they are making a distinction between person to person outside the US vs Inside

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Did you open a door?

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This is what blows my mind about public bathrooms with doors. They should all open outwards so you don't have to touch them after washing your hands.

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makes it hard to put two bathroom doors across from each other if the doors open unto one another.

Yes, the problem usually comes back to fire or building code compliance.

I do like it when places have foot operated door openers on their restrooms.

I'm 87% sure the doors opening inward is a fire code thing

Doors opening outward is dangerous in evacuation situations.

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Did you open a door?

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This is what blows my mind about public bathrooms with doors. They should all open outwards so you don't have to touch them after washing your hands.

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I always use a paper towel. I know for a fact some people in my office don't wash hands after doing their biz. /barf

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Not sure why the CDC won't say it publicly, but we definitely have human to human transmission going on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/28/germany-japan-and-taiwan-report-first-coronavirus-patients-who-didnt-visit-china/amp/

Edit: it looks like they are making a distinction between person to person outside the US vs Inside

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I'll preface this by saying I don't think this is the case, but:

Would the CDC to come out and say "This is the big one. Everyone's gonna get real sick" even if they knew it was the truth? Would it do anything but cause mass panic? It seems like, at least publicly, it would make sense to say "everything's fine" in public until the SHTF just to have time for them to prepare.

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I'm 87% sure the doors opening inward is a fire code thing

Doors opening outward is dangerous in evacuation situations.

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our bathroom doors have always opened outward

I think the in out thing is fire code when the door leads outside the building

Can't impede on egress. If hallway is wide enough then doors can swing out. Most areas that restrooms are at are not wide enough.

Rustys-Beef-o-Reeno said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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I'm 87% sure the doors opening inward is a fire code thing

Doors opening outward is dangerous in evacuation situations.

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our bathroom doors have always opened outward

I think the in out thing is fire code when the door leads outside the building

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Depends if the room, corridor, or stairwell is supposed to be fire-rated or not.

Generally you want your bathrooms to have the airflow negatively pressured (exhausting more air than you are supplying) so that you aren't pushing out the air into the rest of the building where people can smell it/breathe it in. The rest of the building should be positively pressured so you aren't sucking outside air with pollutants into the building.

If you are exhausting a lot of air from a room, you want the doors to open inwards so it's easy to open. Vice versa with outside doors.

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Can't impede on egress. If hallway is wide enough then doors can swing out. Most areas that restrooms are at are not wide enough.

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Well I guess ours are wide enough because they have always opened out to the hall.

oil major, newish building

So... back on topic.

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Photo of 'Coronavirus Hospital' Posted by Chinese State Newspaper is Actually Alibaba Stock Photo

Chinese state-run newspaper the Global Times posted an image of a purported "novel coronavirus hospital" called Huoshenshan Hospital on Twitter Monday.
"1st building of #Wuhan's special novel #Coronavirus hospital, Huoshenshan Hospital, completed construction on Monday, in 16 hours," the tweet read. "It is expected to be transferred to the military for management on February 2. Another Leishenshan Hospital is also under construction."


The tweet was quickly scrutinized by people who noticed that the image of Huoshenshan Hospital provided by Global Times is actually an Alibaba stock photo for a portable "container school building."

Global Times, the newspaper that posted the image, is a daily tabloid newspaper run by the Chinese Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper, providing a Chinese nationalist perspective on international issues.

As National File reported earlier today, the emergency coronavirus hospitals actually being built in China more closely resemble trailer units, with barred steel windows and doors with locks on the outside:

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Lies upon lies upon lies......what can you really trust coming out of China?

The actions, or what we know of them. ****load of people on lockdown. Nothing very concerning in the US, hopefully it stays that way.

JB!98 said:

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fullback44 said:

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trip said:

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fullback44 said:

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Just throwing this out there ... not sure this has been posted here yet? Makes a lot of sense, but pretty dam unbelievable if true ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

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Per a doctor I was discussing this with, of all the options to make a weaponized virus, coronavirus would be wayyyy down the list.

It is equivalent of making a race car out of a honda accord. It is not the one you would start with.

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everyone has their opinions... maybe they don't want something that will kill 15-25% of the population, they only want something to "thin the herd" and can easily be blamed on something else like the "fish market" or "monkey" virus.. you never know what the intentions of these people are. If they released a virus that would kill 20% of the population, they may eventually find out it was man made? and they would take too much heat for doing it

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I was thinking the same thing. From a weapons standpoint, what if you could disable a vast majority of your enemy for a period of time due to illness. You would either then be fighting the sick or have free rein on the battlefield.

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There is talk that this is a bio-weapon, and that it's an RNA based virus and not DNA based, with a very different middle of it's genetic code.

If this is the case, truly unknown at this point, then I would imagine this is the guinea pig of the virus bio-weapon work. Testing to see, does it work on humans? Corona virus is not the "killer" virus that some are and that's not the point. But it would seem, if it is engineered, then everything worked probably as well as the designers wanted it to. Next up, is putting what they learned into something with a higher mortality or severe symptoms.

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JB!98 said:

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fullback44 said:

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trip said:

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fullback44 said:

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Just throwing this out there ... not sure this has been posted here yet? Makes a lot of sense, but pretty dam unbelievable if true ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it

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Per a doctor I was discussing this with, of all the options to make a weaponized virus, coronavirus would be wayyyy down the list.

It is equivalent of making a race car out of a honda accord. It is not the one you would start with.

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everyone has their opinions... maybe they don't want something that will kill 15-25% of the population, they only want something to "thin the herd" and can easily be blamed on something else like the "fish market" or "monkey" virus.. you never know what the intentions of these people are. If they released a virus that would kill 20% of the population, they may eventually find out it was man made? and they would take too much heat for doing it

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I was thinking the same thing. From a weapons standpoint, what if you could disable a vast majority of your enemy for a period of time due to illness. You would either then be fighting the sick or have free rein on the battlefield.

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There is talk that this is a bio-weapon, and that it's an RNA based virus and not DNA based, with a very different middle of it's genetic code.

If this is the case, truly unknown at this point, then I would imagine this is the guinea pig of the virus bio-weapon work. Testing to see, does it work on humans? Corona virus is not the "killer" virus that some are and that's not the point. But it would seem, if it is engineered, then everything worked probably as well as the designers wanted it to. Next up, is putting what they learned into something with a higher mortality or severe symptoms.

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The trick is mixing it with a long incubation period with the ability to pass it during that period

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this is not good.

Das ist nicht gut.

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Since first identified, the epidemic scale of the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in Wuhan, China, has increased rapidly, with cases arising across China and other countries and regions. using a transmission model, we estimate a basic reproductive number of 3.11 (95%CI, 2.39-4.13); 58-76% of transmissions must be prevented to stop increasing;

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Downward revision in R0. Still really high. Other epidemiologists are calculating about 2.5.

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And this is why people should stay home when they start feeling sick.

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Since first identified, the epidemic scale of the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in Wuhan, China, has increased rapidly, with cases arising across China and other countries and regions. using a transmission model, we estimate a basic reproductive number of 3.11 (95%CI, 2.39-4.13); 58-76% of transmissions must be prevented to stop increasing;

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Downward revision in R0. Still really high. Other epidemiologists are calculating about 2.5.

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Seems to be varying pretty wildly. Just too early and the data is too unreliable.