All I want to know is does this mean I need to stop eating Chinese food? Oh and btw Uncle Benny scoffed at the paltry number dead and told me in LW4 that "there's a billion more where they came from".

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Aggiebrewer said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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I am watching it at this moment. Scary but you know what. Our population on this earth is too high.

I believe these viruses are here to keep it in check. It's only a matter of time.

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90% of people think THEY will be a survivor .

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And over 90% of them will be correct.

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azulAg said:

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Time to go up a defcon level, gonna stockpile supplies today

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Like what?

Bleach?
Food?
Beer?

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Vick's Vaporub, or any old fashioned remedy to relieve lung congestion.

Anyone know what you can put into a Cpap machine that would be safe?

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Aggiebrewer said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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I am watching it at this moment. Scary but you know what. Our population on this earth is too high.

I believe these viruses are here to keep it in check. It's only a matter of time.

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90% of people think THEY will be a survivor .

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And over 90% of them will be correct.

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If you all are anywhere near correct, every dorm on campus will have dead bodies...

Are you sharing a CPAP machine with someone?

I am a pediatric ER nurse and swear by elderberry supplementation. There are several peer reviewed medical studies that show it has valid anti-viral activity: See here, here, and here.

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Are you sharing a CPAP machine with someone?

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No. Just thinking about repurposing them.

azulAg said:

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Water, food, disinfectants.

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Don't forget whiskey, poptarts, and tea/votive/tapered candles. Tea Candles are for when the power goes down and you need to heat water through tuna can stoves.

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Lets say a true pandemic, 1/3 of us gets it, 3% fatal, thats over 3 million american dead in one month. Plus the 1/3 of rest of the country out of work, plus everyone totally freaked out.

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I'm not really concerned w catching the virus. Two biggest concerns that I have that could happen.

1) The healthcare system could be overwhelmed by this causing a cascade effect where other everyday illnesses and emergencies can't get the treatment they normally get. How's a heart attack patient feeling about his chances this morning in Wuhan?

2) the economic activity slowing to a halt that is going to be the real disaster. China has millions on lock down now, how does Wal-Mart restock it's inventory when manufacturing and distribution are slowed/stopped? How does the banking system, which is COMPLETELY over leveraged, deal with the massive shocks?

In my mind I am treating it like Hurricane preparedness, except you will likely end up isolated if this blows up. So food, water, shelter, bleach, batteries, medical supplies, blankets, fill up your gas tank, etc.

Just be prepared to shelter in place for several week(s) if necessary. I think this will be the biggest obstacle to many. I was raised to always keep food on hand in case if emergency, but most people aren't these days. They might keep 3-5 days of food on hand.

How long do you think it will take to develop an effective vaccine for the Coronavirus?

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I am a pediatric ER nurse and swear by elderberry supplementation. There are several peer reviewed medical studies that show it has valid anti-viral activity: See here, here, and here.

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" three of the four studies included were funded by elderberry supplement manufacturing companies, and the fourth study didn't name its funding source."

No clue.

Even if someone has a vaccine in their back pocket today, how long will it take for production of it, testing (if any), and distribution to get into the global population? Months maybe year if not more.

I know I'm way down on the priority list if it's available. Doctors, nurses, EMTs, LEOs, military all go first.

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azulAg said:

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Water, food, disinfectants.

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Don't forget whiskey, poptarts, and tea/votive/tapered candles. Tea Candles are for when the power goes down and you need to heat water through tuna can stoves.

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Toilet paper, must have TP.

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China wouldn't be doing this unless it's way worse than they've reported.

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No clue.

Even if someone has a vaccine in their back pocket today, how long will it take for production of it, testing (if any), and distribution to get into the global population? Months maybe year if not more.

I know I'm way down on the priority list if it's available. Doctors, nurses, EMTs, LEOs, military all go first.

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6 months to a year minimum without safeguards is the number I've seen thrown around. No idea how accurate it is. Something to do with Chicken eggs.

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Tanya 93 said:

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azulAg said:

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Water, food, disinfectants.

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Don't forget whiskey, poptarts, and tea/votive/tapered candles. Tea Candles are for when the power goes down and you need to heat water through tuna can stoves.

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Toilet paper, must have TP.

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Camp stove and the small propane bottles as primary. Vortices later. Or hit scout store for the small backpack stoves.

Calm down, SHTF only when the seven headed mother of prostitutes appears

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Calm down, SHTF only when the seven headed mother of prostitutes appears

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How many Democrats are still in the running? 5? 6? 7?

Yeah, let's trust the Chinese and CNN/MSNBC. Great idea.


How about independent new sources and doing your own research?

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Given the poor communication so far by government health organizations and the media, the severity of the situation and the risk to public health, Chris Martenson filmed this important explanatory video hours ago.

Dr. Martenson's PhD is in the field of pathogenic biology, so he understands the nature of this virus more than your average scientist.

In the video below, Chris explains the virus in layman's terms, why the contagion we're seeing is likely to spread substantially from here, and why the actions being taken so far by public health officials to contain the threat are woefully insufficient.

It's important, maybe soon critical, to be well-informed on this outbreak. The ten minutes you spend watching this video may be the most important thing you do today:

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In response to earlier question. Better info!

It is not uncommon for companies to fund research on their own products, can it lead to bias, yes. But if you dig deeper there are several peer reviewed, double blind studies that are published in medical journals that show the same results. Take it for what it is worth. I can tell you this, several Duke trained MD's, NP's, and RN's that I studied and work with use it and recommend it to their patients, especially those who travel or who are immunocompromised.

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cbr said:

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Lets say a true pandemic, 1/3 of us gets it, 3% fatal, thats over 3 million american dead in one month. Plus the 1/3 of rest of the country out of work, plus everyone totally freaked out.

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I'm not really concerned w catching the virus. Two biggest concerns that I have that could happen.

1) The healthcare system could be overwhelmed by this causing a cascade effect where other everyday illnesses and emergencies can't get the treatment they normally get. How's a heart attack patient feeling about his chances this morning in Wuhan?

2) the economic activity slowing to a halt that is going to be the real disaster. China has millions on lock down now, how does Wal-Mart restock it's inventory when manufacturing and distribution are slowed/stopped? How does the banking system, which is COMPLETELY over leveraged, deal with the massive shocks?

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I forgot to add the most important third concern....

3) People freaking the **** out and panicking!! Who remembers the 2017 Texas gas shortage panic? That was pretty much started by Facebook rumors on a Thursday morning by lunch time lines were four deep at every pump in Austin, Dallas, Houston and San Antonio.

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Panicking motorists are lining up at gasoline stations throughout central and north Texas, causing sporadic fuel shortages after Hurricane Harvey ravaged the region's energy distribution network.

Lines have snaked around gas stations in San Antonio, Dallas, Austin and other cities, causing dozens of locations to shut down temporarily as they await new supplies

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/09/01/hurricane-harvey-gas-shortages/625106001/

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Aggiebrewer said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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I am watching it at this moment. Scary but you know what. Our population on this earth is too high.

I believe these viruses are here to keep it in check. It's only a matter of time.

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90% of people think THEY will be a survivor .

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This kind of thinking is so wrong. Its not like when you say `if only such and such conference fell into a sinkhole' --- epidemics kill indiscriminately. Its not like you are getting to subtract all the known names that are ruining culture and society or the world as you see it.

They are horrible things.

I've found a few Western journalists in the area that will be helpful in the coming days and weeks

N95 Masks secured

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I like how that guy starts his first post with "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD" then later claims he is not trying to incite fear.

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Also the authors of the cited paper already revised their estimate down to 2.5.

Not gonna lie, I find all of this horribly fascinating. Epidemics/pandemics has always been one of my personal study areas. I have an entire bookshelf with dedicated volumes of plagues/pandemics of the past.

I think most realize that there is a very thin line separating these kinds of events from being a short term scare to possibly being something the generations after us will be reading about in their own books if the incubation is indeed a coupla weeks.

The what if I keep spinning in my head is what would the US do in these circumstances. Because pretty much only one real thing has been shown to limit these events if anything does. And that is draconian government control. Which is incompatible with most of us Americans. Current student myself and I frequent a popular Asian food joint near campus and at least half the clientele (all asian themselves) were wearing masks already.

One thing I am positive of, is that China is underreporting. As most of us suspect.

Wife is dragging me to Costco. I reckon it's going to be more crowded than normal.

Why would water be an issue?