Common, TexAgs has to have someone on the inside of the CDC!....


Let us know!

If the reports on deaths are accurate, def gonna be some weaponized bug that got out. I doubt it.

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I have very bad news, preliminary government info has stated that the virus has further mutated into a 2nd generation. In other words, in the first generation, we could treat the patient. Upon the 2nd stage evolution the virus is lethal, the infection ratio is no longer 1:14, but is explosive (exponential). Everyone must hold strong, do not go outside, do not meet people, do not eat out. Thank you everyone.

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Why is this BS?

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If it is an A&M student, and the university knows who it is, the university can release the information because at that point it would fall under FERPA (because FERPA trumps HIPPA if the record can be classified as a FERPA record), and FERPA allows for the release of information without student consent in a health or safety emergency.

The catch here is A&M would have to know who it is.

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Do you guys know at least which part of the campus to avoid, which building went to?

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Nope, because they won't tell anyone, anything.

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In this case, if they know they would.

The Virginia Tech shooting changed the way a lot of universities treated this information. One of the failings of Virginia Tech was they had information on this kid ahead of time and refused to share citing FERPA. After the incident, the Dept of Education came out and basically told every university in the country that in a health or safety emergency, don't you dare withhold potential life-saving information because you think it's a FERPA violation. You better disperse any and all pertinent information as soon as possible.

Trust me...if this patient were an A&M student, and A&M knew it was one of their students, they would be working diligently as quickly as possible to identify where the person had been and notify people ASAP. The liability is just too high not to.

https://twitter.com/a524952
1st picture: Emblem reads People's Liberation Army ground forces
Looks like army is getting ready to move in and enforce martial law.

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If it is an A&M student, and the university knows who it is, the university can release the information because at that point it would fall under FERPA (because FERPA trumps HIPPA if the record can be classified as a FERPA record), and FERPA allows for the release of information without student consent in a health or safety emergency.

The catch here is A&M would have to know who it is.

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Do you guys know at least which part of the campus to avoid, which building went to?

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Nope, because they won't tell anyone, anything.

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In this case, if they know they would.

The Virginia Tech shooting changed the way a lot of universities treated this information. One of the failings of Virginia Tech was they had information on this kid ahead of time and refused to share citing FERPA. After the incident, the Dept of Education came out and basically told every university in the country that in a health or safety emergency, don't you dare withhold potential life-saving information because you think it's a FERPA violation. You better disperse any and all pertinent information as soon as possible.

Trust me...if this patient were an A&M student, and A&M knew it was one of their students, they would be working diligently as quickly as possible to identify where the person had been and notify people ASAP. The liability is just too high not to.

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A&M here also cover Blinn section for all intents and purposes, presumably?

One dude infected spit on and beat up a doctor.
Man should be shot for what he did.

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If it is an A&M student, and the university knows who it is, the university can release the information because at that point it would fall under FERPA (because FERPA trumps HIPPA if the record can be classified as a FERPA record), and FERPA allows for the release of information without student consent in a health or safety emergency.

The catch here is A&M would have to know who it is.

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Do you guys know at least which part of the campus to avoid, which building went to?

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Nope, because they won't tell anyone, anything.

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In this case, if they know they would.

The Virginia Tech shooting changed the way a lot of universities treated this information. One of the failings of Virginia Tech was they had information on this kid ahead of time and refused to share citing FERPA. After the incident, the Dept of Education came out and basically told every university in the country that in a health or safety emergency, don't you dare withhold potential life-saving information because you think it's a FERPA violation. You better disperse any and all pertinent information as soon as possible.

Trust me...if this patient were an A&M student, and A&M knew it was one of their students, they would be working diligently as quickly as possible to identify where the person had been and notify people ASAP. The liability is just too high not to.

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A&M here also cover Blinn section for all intents and purposes, presumably?

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I don't know enough about the program. Is it a dual-enrollment, consortium program where students are simultaneously active students at both institutions and in both institutions' student record systems?

A&M can only report on who they know. Now, if Blinn has students taking courses at A&m that aren't in the A&M system, but rather A&M is just hosting the courses, then Blinn has an obligation to inform A&M (and vice-versa) in my opinion.

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If it is an A&M student, and the university knows who it is, the university can release the information because at that point it would fall under FERPA (because FERPA trumps HIPPA if the record can be classified as a FERPA record), and FERPA allows for the release of information without student consent in a health or safety emergency.

The catch here is A&M would have to know who it is.

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Do you guys know at least which part of the campus to avoid, which building went to?

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Nope, because they won't tell anyone, anything.

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In this case, if they know they would.

The Virginia Tech shooting changed the way a lot of universities treated this information. One of the failings of Virginia Tech was they had information on this kid ahead of time and refused to share citing FERPA. After the incident, the Dept of Education came out and basically told every university in the country that in a health or safety emergency, don't you dare withhold potential life-saving information because you think it's a FERPA violation. You better disperse any and all pertinent information as soon as possible.

Trust me...if this patient were an A&M student, and A&M knew it was one of their students, they would be working diligently as quickly as possible to identify where the person had been and notify people ASAP. The liability is just too high not to.

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If the patient/student were coenrolled then yes then information would have been shared. In fact the health department would have required that.

Did a little googling on the "two stage killer flu" you're talking about. Only thing about it that I could find involved Australian researchers in the early 2000s working with gene editing a mouse virus. They found that the gene edits caused an autoimmune response attacking myelin sheaths in the brain, leading to 100% mortality. They published their results to try and warn governments from going down a similar path, given that they stumbled on this somewhat accidentally.

I think it's generally accepted that no halfway sane government would want to develop and uncontrollable world ending pandemic. The bigger risk would be religious terrorists.

There's plenty out there about the Soviet bioweapons programs that were run, but I think the 2 stage super bug is a separate deal.

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can we start a separate thread for unhinged conspiracy nonsense and keep this one facts only?

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will you dunces learn to research on your own.

the existence of a 2 stage flu bioweapon is not a conspiracy theory.

no one has given any conspiracy theories here. no one has said why this has happened, or whether it was accidental, or whether natural.

this is either no big deal, just a few thousand people with the flu in china and a few dozen dead, and they have quarantined a population greater than that of california for no good reason, or it may be a pretty big deal.

and if it turns out true that there is a 2 stage killer flu, then the only precedent for that is a known russian bioweapons program. and if that is the case, then it has likely spread around the globe already to some extent.

most bioweapons deployments in history have underwhelming, less than expected lethality. so no one is saying the whole world is ending.

but the puzzle pieces right now fit the worst case scenario really well. i thought people should know that and they can act accordingly.

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Okay, that is one take. But it still doesn't follow that Xi's China copied an old and totally demented program (if the Soviets had used that it rated nuclear reprisal), so even if it is a bio-weapon, it may be something they have a counter or cure for.

Alternatively, it may *still* be a very big deal, but be entirely natural in origin, a product of the spectacularly bad habits in that province we have seen described. Live rats especially, or snakes. The real wonder would be why it has taken so long.

https://twitter.com/Michael__Jimmy/status/1220726860658761730/video/1
Doctor having a breakdown while people meme jokes about it. That appears to be a re purposed room for diagnosing patients (Heh, they don't have sofas usually).
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Not sure what their saying, too noisy :*(

"medical professional" talking about their experience
"I got off today at around 4(not sure AM/PM). I'm so ****ing done, It's so ****ing scary, a doctor estimated around 100k cases right now. Ten of us doctors had to deal with 100 patients each. We can't do anything. Can't start treatments because there is not enough material! We do not have enough logistical support. Most of us are burnt out after one day. They are begging us on the floor and we can't do a single damn thing. Take care upon yourselves, the government (high ranking officals) is only taking care of themselves."
Oh and the chat group name is so ironic: A joyful and prosperous family.

Here's the article talking about the discovery of the 2 stage super virus:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn311-killer-mousepox-virus-raises-bioterror-fears/

That article features some quotes from Ken Alibek, who was involved with the Soviet biopreparat program. Maybe that's where cbr is getting mixed up. In any case, yes this type of virus is theoretically possible. But I find it highly doubtful that the Chicoms were working on this in some lab in the middle of China. They're evil, but they're not suicidal.

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And how many people on the plane breathed in the hacks of those people and are now in the untraceable incubation period. That's the scary part.

Wouldn't there be tens of thousands of Americans/Westerners in the affected area at any given time? Shouldn't there be more social media/reports from them if the situation was crazy bad?

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can we start a separate thread for unhinged conspiracy nonsense and keep this one facts only?

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will you dunces learn to research on your own.

the existence of a 2 stage flu bioweapon is not a conspiracy theory.

no one has given any conspiracy theories here. no one has said why this has happened, or whether it was accidental, or whether natural.

this is either no big deal, just a few thousand people with the flu in china and a few dozen dead, and they have quarantined a population greater than that of california for no good reason, or it may be a pretty big deal.

and if it turns out true that there is a 2 stage killer flu, then the only precedent for that is a known russian bioweapons program. and if that is the case, then it has likely spread around the globe already to some extent.

most bioweapons deployments in history have underwhelming, less than expected lethality. so no one is saying the whole world is ending.

but the puzzle pieces right now fit the worst case scenario really well. i thought people should know that and they can act accordingly.

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Okay, that is one take. But it still doesn't follow that Xi's China copied an old and totally demented program (if the Soviets had used that it rated nuclear reprisal), so even if it is a bio-weapon, it may be something they have a counter or cure for.

Alternatively, it may *still* be a very big deal, but be entirely natural in origin, a product of the spectacularly bad habits in that province we have seen described. Live rats especially, or snakes. The real wonder would be why it has taken so long.

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Have they always eaten live animals, like rats and snakes? I've only recently seen footage of this behavior but it seems like there is a cultural "fear factor" going on in China. Some chick eats a live bird and the next thing you know it's all over social media. Dude eats live rats, no big deal.

It's totally ****ed up and I wonder if they'll continue that kind of crap if this is traced back to somebody eating a live crate. Eating live animals needs to be shunned to keep this crap from happening.

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can we start a separate thread for unhinged conspiracy nonsense and keep this one facts only?

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will you dunces learn to research on your own.

the existence of a 2 stage flu bioweapon is not a conspiracy theory.

no one has given any conspiracy theories here. no one has said why this has happened, or whether it was accidental, or whether natural.

this is either no big deal, just a few thousand people with the flu in china and a few dozen dead, and they have quarantined a population greater than that of california for no good reason, or it may be a pretty big deal.

and if it turns out true that there is a 2 stage killer flu, then the only precedent for that is a known russian bioweapons program. and if that is the case, then it has likely spread around the globe already to some extent.

most bioweapons deployments in history have underwhelming, less than expected lethality. so no one is saying the whole world is ending.

but the puzzle pieces right now fit the worst case scenario really well. i thought people should know that and they can act accordingly.

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Okay, that is one take. But it still doesn't follow that Xi's China copied an old and totally demented program (if the Soviets had used that it rated nuclear reprisal), so even if it is a bio-weapon, it may be something they have a counter or cure for.

Alternatively, it may *still* be a very big deal, but be entirely natural in origin, a product of the spectacularly bad habits in that province we have seen described. Live rats especially, or snakes. The real wonder would be why it has taken so long.

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Have they always eaten live animals, like rats and snakes? I've only recently seen footage of this behavior but it seems like there is a cultural "fear factor" going on in China. Some chick eats a live bird and the next thing you know it's all over social media. Dude eats live rats, no big deal.

It's totally ****ed up and I wonder if they'll continue that kind of crap if this is traced back to somebody eating a live crate. Eating live animals needs to be shunned to keep this crap from happening.

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Southern China does.
I've tried some stuff like it before. Good eating.

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Ever thinkthat The Great Fire Wall would prevent social media posts?
Propaganda is a real thing.
Imagine if you are Hong Kong protesters--you could be showing scenes from a B movie and us Gweios would not know.

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One good thing is all modern airliners have HEPA filters on the air system to try and filter out such things.

No more masks. Doctors using file folders and A4 paper to protect themselves.

Hubei newspaper apologizing for "inadvertent spread of misinformation".

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will you dunces learn to research on your own.

the existence of a 2 stage flu bioweapon is not a conspiracy theory.

no one has given any conspiracy theories here. no one has said why this has happened, or whether it was accidental, or whether natural.

this is either no big deal, just a few thousand people with the flu in china and a few dozen dead, and they have quarantined a population greater than that of california for no good reason, or it may be a pretty big deal.

and if it turns out true that there is a 2 stage killer flu, then the only precedent for that is a known russian bioweapons program. and if that is the case, then it has likely spread around the globe already to some extent.

most bioweapons deployments in history have underwhelming, less than expected lethality. so no one is saying the whole world is ending.

but the puzzle pieces right now fit the worst case scenario really well. i thought people should know that and they can act accordingly.

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Okay, that is one take. But it still doesn't follow that Xi's China copied an old and totally demented program (if the Soviets had used that it rated nuclear reprisal), so even if it is a bio-weapon, it may be something they have a counter or cure for.

Alternatively, it may *still* be a very big deal, but be entirely natural in origin, a product of the spectacularly bad habits in that province we have seen described. Live rats especially, or snakes. The real wonder would be why it has taken so long.

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Have they always eaten live animals, like rats and snakes? I've only recently seen footage of this behavior but it seems like there is a cultural "fear factor" going on in China. Some chick eats a live bird and the next thing you know it's all over social media. Dude eats live rats, no big deal.

It's totally ****ed up and I wonder if they'll continue that kind of crap if this is traced back to somebody eating a live crate. Eating live animals needs to be shunned to keep this crap from happening.

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Southern China does.
I've tried some stuff like it before. Good eating.

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Yeah, all good until your lungs explode.

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can we start a separate thread for unhinged conspiracy nonsense and keep this one facts only?

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will you dunces learn to research on your own.

the existence of a 2 stage flu bioweapon is not a conspiracy theory.

no one has given any conspiracy theories here. no one has said why this has happened, or whether it was accidental, or whether natural.

this is either no big deal, just a few thousand people with the flu in china and a few dozen dead, and they have quarantined a population greater than that of california for no good reason, or it may be a pretty big deal.

and if it turns out true that there is a 2 stage killer flu, then the only precedent for that is a known russian bioweapons program. and if that is the case, then it has likely spread around the globe already to some extent.

most bioweapons deployments in history have underwhelming, less than expected lethality. so no one is saying the whole world is ending.

but the puzzle pieces right now fit the worst case scenario really well. i thought people should know that and they can act accordingly.

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Okay, that is one take. But it still doesn't follow that Xi's China copied an old and totally demented program (if the Soviets had used that it rated nuclear reprisal), so even if it is a bio-weapon, it may be something they have a counter or cure for.

Alternatively, it may *still* be a very big deal, but be entirely natural in origin, a product of the spectacularly bad habits in that province we have seen described. Live rats especially, or snakes. The real wonder would be why it has taken so long.

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Have they always eaten live animals, like rats and snakes? I've only recently seen footage of this behavior but it seems like there is a cultural "fear factor" going on in China. Some chick eats a live bird and the next thing you know it's all over social media. Dude eats live rats, no big deal.

It's totally ****ed up and I wonder if they'll continue that kind of crap if this is traced back to somebody eating a live crate. Eating live animals needs to be shunned to keep this crap from happening.

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Southern China does.
I've tried some stuff like it before. Good eating.

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Yeah, all good until your lungs explode.

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Are you suggesting I go there, eat some and come back?


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Did a little googling on the "two stage killer flu" you're talking about. Only thing about it that I could find involved Australian researchers in the early 2000s working with gene editing a mouse virus. They found that the gene edits caused an autoimmune response attacking myelin sheaths in the brain, leading to 100% mortality. They published their results to try and warn governments from going down a similar path, given that they stumbled on this somewhat accidentally.

I think it's generally accepted that no halfway sane government would want to develop and uncontrollable world ending pandemic. The bigger risk would be religious terrorists.

There's plenty out there about the Soviet bioweapons programs that were run, but I think the 2 stage super bug is a separate deal.

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use the links. its not on the web. its in books. the disclosures and congresional hearings on that were in the early 90's.

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And that is precisely why need to be careful about assigning bad motives to everything unfolding (not saying you are) --- China may be making maximum effort as they understand it and are used to doing, to stop this. At the same time trying to head off some mass stampede and panic (they have land borders, they have to watch out for this) If it is a bio-weapon, they can't admit that publicly. We probably wouldn't either. But Trump and State needs to (would be stunned if they are not) be talking to China behind the scenes to learn what really dealing with, and yes, see if we can help in any way with our greater bio-tech abilities. (Demonstrated with the ebola flare up).

This guy is reporting what his Chinese contacts are telling him, you can play from beginning.

He says many more are infected in China than is being reported.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002YKBV2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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It's way too late for that.

Every other post starts with "If x scenario happens...something really bad could happen."

Almost like they want it to happen as it would confirm their views about the rest of the world not being sufficiently westernized.

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002YKBV2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Home Depot and Lowe's have them....

As I posted last night, if you're looking specifically for medical grade masks, there are several medical supply companies you can order from online. Can't say if they still have stock or not.

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As I posted last night, if you're looking specifically for medical grade masks, there are several medical supply companies you can order from online. Can't say if they still have stock or not.

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Honestly? Looking for several M40 gas masks to ship to family in China.

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The Shanghai Municipal Health Commission has claimed that the first patient since the beginning of the deadly outbreak has been cured and discharged from hospital.
A 56-year-old woman locally identified as "Chen" was said to have been cured from the illness.

Chen demonstrated significant improvements in her respiratory system following pulmonary CT scans and two independent blood tests found the patient free from the Coronavirus, as reported by the state-owned Beijing Daily Newspaper.


After nearly two weeks under medical care, she has now been released, cured from the disease, it has been claimed.

The Express also published claims from Chinese doctors indicating that trial runs with an HIV wonder drug have "somewhat successfully" stopped the spread of the disease to cells.

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Well there you have it....nothing to worry about, except the two weeks of significant treatment in a hospital bed.

I trust the Chinese Ministry of Truth....


Then there's this headline.

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I'll go find some respirator masks this weekend.

Best case scenario we have them in a crisis. Worst case scenario we use them to paint next time.

Is this the original Virus or the Mutation? lol

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That's what R0 is all about. And how many people these infected people were in contact with.