scottimus said:

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The integrity of social media is....well, I don't even have to address that.

China is a country, and the integrity of their information should be forthright...especially now.

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I agree with you. But that wasn't what Rapier and I were talking about in the comment you replied to.
We were talking about the way distorted information spreads in OTHER places and situations on social media, even in a highly-educated "open information" society like the USA.

TexAgs is part of that echo/amplification effect.

VaultingChemist said:

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China has shut down 70,000 movie theaters and Disneyland in Shanghai.

Actions are speaking loud and clear.

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Not to come across as argumentative but considering the Chinese government already controls most of the industries in the country and the people don't have the same understanding or appreciation for individual liberty as we do in the west, these reactions seem reasonable, indicative and maybe even customary for regimes such as this. Its not clear the Chinese government values life and freedom in the same way as we do in the West, so to say it's an over-the-top response but government officials. Maybe its just the way they do things...

Fair warning, I consider this source dubious however he does have his sources. Take the following with a grain of salt....

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The grainy thumbnail document is from DHS and it is written in the tone that a pandemic is inevitable. The document is written for DHS agents in a manner so as to advise them how to minimize exposure. To re-emphasize, this document tells me that a pandemic is unavoidable in the United States.

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[url] https://thecommonsenseshow.com/conspiracy-health-immigration/pandemic-now-unavoidable-tens-millions-risk[/url]

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Video part two:

I have very bad news, preliminary government info has stated that the virus has further mutated into a 2nd generation. In other words, in the first generation, we could treat the patient. Upon the 2nd stage evolution the virus is lethal, the infection ratio is no longer 1:14, but is explosive (exponential). Everyone must hold strong, do not go outside, do not meet people, do not eat out. Thank you everyone.

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BS meter just went off hard

couple of observations about this, specifically the lady reporting from Wuhan....

There's also news coming out that authorities are running out of test kits, ie they can't actually confirm infections any longer. Did they really have the resources in Wuhan to verify 90,000 infections? That seems like a wild number.

Regarding the mutations, is that a likely thing to happen already and would the government even let that info get circulated?

There's a major emphasis in both videos about staying put at home and not making contact with anyone. There could be various motives here. Someone earlier mentioned Hong Kong activists. Could the government even be OVER hyping this in an effort to keep people in one place and hammer the message that staying home is safer for them (and less likely to spread the infection, create civil disobedience, and otherwise stress government resources trying to respond)? Staying home seems like really good advice. Could the government be using some scare tactics to drive home the point?

foleyt said:

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Overnight updates

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Translation of video:
[untranslatable]. You have being laying here for an entire half day (morning to noon), some people have died near midnight and there is still not people to come and dispose of corpses. Nurses, doctors, and patients are all in this environment working. This is the situation of Jindian hospital, there are NO administrators on the ground. The ones I have seen cannot explain anything.


This one is important, document is incomplete:
Title: Wuhan district health district committee
subj: URGENT: Regards to bad response to unknown pneumonia outbreak
According to higher level immediate instructions, our district medical divisions unknown causes of severe respiratory infections. In order to ensure rapid and safe treatment of our patients, and ensure the health and national security of our people, the following orders for all health personnel within outbreak areas are as follows:
1) Reinforce leadership capabilities
All areas must increase alertness and vigor, must pay high(er) attention to treatments. Overtly designate person of contacts between authorities, confirm leading medical departments, successfully modify shift schedules, enact resource transfer procedures, form specialist sub teams, placate (re-inspire?) co workers, to protect the functioning of medical services.
2) Routine procedures for medical treatment
All medical departments must increase ER administration, increase initial diagnosis/treatment capabilities,
Those with unknown origin of lung infection must not be waved aside. Measure must be taken to strengthen Pulmonology, infectious disease, ICU et al department staff numbers and specialists. [Something about green terminals, I think is meaning to keep clear pathways in hospitals???]. Be prepared for door diagnostics (in china you see doctors in hospital, not practice like USA), ER diagnostics high level of integration (with what?), to create a great (efficent) pillars for EMS and ER responses, increase training upon staff, follow guidelines for treatment, and increase disease spread prevention measures.
3)Strict reporting to superiors
Due to the state of the disease, afflicted area higher level of disease control departments require additional info; at the same time prefecture health department officials must be informed. Major incidents must be timely reported.
Without upper authority/department authorization individuals are NOT permitted to dissiminate information to the outside (public) with regards to treatments.

HumpitPuryear said:

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couple of observations about this, specifically the lady reporting from Wuhan....

There's also news coming out that authorities are running out of test kits, ie they can't actually confirm infections any longer. Did they really have the resources in Wuhan to verify 90,000 infections? That seems like a wild number.

Regarding the mutations, is that a likely thing to happen already and would the government even let that info get circulated?

There's a major emphasis in both videos about staying put at home and not making contact with anyone. There could be various motives here. Someone earlier mentioned Hong Kong activists. Could the government even be OVER hyping this in an effort to keep people in one place and hammer the message that staying home is safer for them (and less likely to spread the infection, create civil disobedience, and otherwise stress government resources trying to respond)? Staying home seems like really good advice. Could the government be using some scare tactics to drive home the point?

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I cannot tell you because I do not know. It is possible if she was not censored. However, if it was from telegram I do not think that the government would deliberately loose face.

Link to test kit source, I do not know.
Her statement with infection implies it was something she overheard. And likely no.

I will tell you when my source outside the outbreak zone (small town of ~3M people) tells me when they start sealing off likes SARS. Then we will know it is worse then SARS. During the SARS outbreak they would quarantine the entire building, street, city. You would haves armed units turn back people from all major cities.

You are underestimating the role of lunar new year. China has very few national holidays with days off and Chinese people work 6 day weeks. Lunar new year is one of the few 2+ days off on the calendar. That and many people see their family once a year and it is then.

I only translate what she said. Take of the information what you will.

It's hard to believe anything coming out of China, either from the government or various social media posts/videos. I don't believe the numbers of infections/deaths reported by the Chinese govt. I also think there is lots of BS being passed around on social media (the videos of the people falling in the streets for example).

A couple specific observations:

-I'm very suspicious of the video of the person in isolation gear referring to a virus mutation that is now lethal and spreading exponentially.

-The DHS email screen shot doesn't seem to say anything other than giving standard tips to help prevent infections. Nothing in there points to any suspicion of a pandemic. You could see the exact same email being sent out at the beginning of flu season.

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You are underestimating the role of lunar new year. China has very few national holidays with days off and Chinese people work 6 day weeks. Lunar new year is one of the few 2+ days off on the calendar. That and many people see their family once a year and it is then.

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Wow. I can't imagine how suffocating it must be to live there.

ccaggie05 said:

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It's hard to believe anything coming out of China, either from the government or various social media posts/videos. I don't believe the numbers of infections/deaths reported by the Chinese govt. I also think there is lots of BS being passed around on social media (the videos of the people falling in the streets for example).

A couple specific observations:

-I'm very suspicious of the video of the person in isolation gear referring to a virus mutation that is now lethal and spreading exponentially.

-The DHS email screen shot doesn't seem to say anything other than giving standard tips to help prevent infections. Nothing in there points to any suspicion of a pandemic. You could see the exact same email being sent out at the beginning of flu season.

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There are multiple translations for the second video:
1) The disease is now lethal.
2) The disease now much more lethal
3) the disease lethality has increased.
The way she words is ambiguous but leans towards 1. Sorry for late clarification.
Edit: If we could outlaw diseases like cali does that'd be lit.

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VaultingChemist said:

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Mr.Infectious said:

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15% is what it kills. Think about those that survive. Pneumonia is a brutal illness that takes weeks to recover from.

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As a comparison, the Spanish Flu Pandemic killed 390,000 of the 23,000,000 infected in Japan. That calculates to a 1.7% mortality rate.

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The 15% number is utterly meaningless.

You cannot compare a rough estimate of reported cases within the first few weeks of an evolving situation, to historically well-researched and carefully calibrated unchanging data from a century ago.

In the beginning, the very young, very old, immuno-compromised, comorbidity with other diseases/syndromes, and those who have some natural specific susceptibility, etc. are the ones who get visibly sick, SEEK TREATMENT, and die.

For all we know, 80 million people in China are already infected but have no symptoms, have not sought any treatment, and will not progress to any significant illness, meaning the total mortality rate may actually only be 0.007%.

These kinds of numbers simply will not be known to any certainty for a year or so.
Any such "facts" in this thread are entirely arbitrary and of no value.

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The 15% number from that study that was just published a few days ago does have meaning. Even if the mortality rate ends up being 10 times less, 1.5% is still a startling number.

There were no deaths in the young adult patients in that study, which may or may not be significant.

I suspect China understands the potential danger and knows rapid quarantine is the best first reaction while there is still reasonable opportunity to do so.

A serious infectious agent that hospitalizes or incapacitates people for weeks at a time at high rates would be DEVESTATING to economic productivity and in urban areas, could threaten basic public services, and that can lead to serious public disorder.

It's a very pragmatic over-response given the potential disaster of responding inadequately, plus the propaganda around it would make compliance rates higher.

ccaggie05 said:

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It's hard to believe anything coming out of China, either from the government or various social media posts/videos. I don't believe the numbers of infections/deaths reported by the Chinese govt. I also think there is lots of BS being passed around on social media (the videos of the people falling in the streets for example).

A couple specific observations:

-I'm very suspicious of the video of the person in isolation gear referring to a virus mutation that is now lethal and spreading exponentially.

-The DHS email screen shot doesn't seem to say anything other than giving standard tips to help prevent infections. Nothing in there points to any suspicion of a pandemic. You could see the exact same email being sent out at the beginning of flu season.

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All that is true. Which is why Washington needs to clarify what is true or not as far as they know. Did the Senate release anything about the meeting yet? Has President Trump been tweeted about it or mentioned it much?

I want to open up a thread where I am OP and can edit all sources that get translated. Not sure if we want several threads on Coronavirus TBH.

The markets are starting to react. SP down almost 1%.

PearlJammin said:

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You are underestimating the role of lunar new year. China has very few national holidays with days off and Chinese people work 6 day weeks. Lunar new year is one of the few 2+ days off on the calendar. That and many people see their family once a year and it is then.

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Wow. I can't imagine how suffocating it must be to live there.

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Its effectively slavery.

Cassius said:

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The markets are starting to react. SP down almost 1%.

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The thing is it doesn't have to be some super mutating threat to start impacting the markets. We are going to see that immediately if China has to take itself off the commerce grid for a while in net effect. With that happening, why they do it won't even matter as much as the fact that they are closing up and canceling New Year, and much tourism, etc.

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Cassius said:

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The markets are starting to react. SP down almost 1%.

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The thing is it doesn't have to be some super mutating threat to start impacting the markets. We are going to see that immediately if China has to take itself off the commerce grid for a while in net effect. With that happening, why they do it won't even matter as much as the fact that they are closing up and canceling New Year, and much tourism, etc.

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Oh yeah. If they can't go to work and produce, we are screwed.

So I think you are implying that the closing off of whole cities is a more aggressive action than was taken with SARS?

I understand about the new year travel. People are highly motivated to travel right now. The government wants them to remain in place. Could such a message, with scary information and inflated numbers, be getting purposely leaked to convince people to stay home in spite of their desire to see family and other planned travel for the holiday?

Maybe, but unlike say, Iran, outside of Hong Kong they haven't been having some wild multiplication of discord. I think just now this whole outbreak is a more serious issue for China than the whole Hong Kong matter, and their reasons for wanting people to stay put and inside is not really to deter insurrection or any Hong Kong angle.

They have better and even easier ways to deal with Hong Kong. This looks pretty real --what is unclear is just how manageable it is.

Need a translation, what is being said at time 2:50 in this video?

Would you stay if you and your family wernt sick? I dont.****ing believe so. I wouldn't.

HumpitPuryear said:

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So I think you are implying that the closing off of whole cities is a more aggressive action than was taken with SARS?

I understand about the new year travel. People are highly motivated to travel right now. The government wants them to remain in place. Could such a message, with scary information and inflated numbers, be getting purposely leaked to convince people to stay home in spite of their desire to see family and other planned travel for the holiday?

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No. This response isn't as serious as SARS (with the evidence being given).
Back in SARS they would have armed military shut off the major city routes not from the outbreak area, but throughout China even places without cases.

I do not think they are doing that. The Chinese government is likely downplaying it but censoring for two reasons:
1) Save face, highly unlikely Chinese gov allows this to go overseas.
2) There are two levels of information in china, regular plebeians and the CCP members.

The reason Xi is so hated to a degree is because before him. No matter what you say in the CCP meetings, ex: "Xi is a ******* and can't into economics", or "The CCP is doomed to fail". It is okay. But the second you walk out of that meeting door, you shut up.

But it is also possible. However original source was telegram which is banned in china. Not sure how they got it to the outside world.

Ok, some of the first part of that looked dubious, especially the first one falling, but some of the latter part looks and sounds frighteningly authentic.

bmks270 said:

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Need a translation, what is being said at time 2:50 in this video?

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Around 2:50
[unrecognizable, cut off]. You think I don't want to go home? You think I don't want to celebrate lunar new year!? You think that I/we want to work four shifts a day?! We're in suits all the time for ****s sake. [Unrecognizable] something you all [unrecognizable].

I can't understand the last phrase because accent+speech behind the mask.
Edit: He's also crying/pissed enough his voice is breaking.

JJxvi said:

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Video part two:

I have very bad news, preliminary government info has stated that the virus has further mutated into a 2nd generation. In other words, in the first generation, we could treat the patient. Upon the 2nd stage evolution the virus is lethal, the infection ratio is no longer 1:14, but is explosive (exponential). Everyone must hold strong, do not go outside, do not meet people, do not eat out. Thank you everyone.

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BS meter just went off hard

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Rapier108 said:

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JJxvi said:

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Video part two:

I have very bad news, preliminary government info has stated that the virus has further mutated into a 2nd generation. In other words, in the first generation, we could treat the patient. Upon the 2nd stage evolution the virus is lethal, the infection ratio is no longer 1:14, but is explosive (exponential). Everyone must hold strong, do not go outside, do not meet people, do not eat out. Thank you everyone.

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BS meter just went off hard

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Again. I only translate what they say. Take of it what you will.

Another one for translation from a hospital:



Thanks for translating these!

bmks270 said:

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Another one for translation from a hospital:


https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstreamable.com%2Fl4dft

Thanks for translating these!

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dead link
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erudite said:

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bmks270 said:

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Another one for translation from a hospital:


https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstreamable.com%2Fl4dft

Thanks for translating these!

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dead link
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Oops:

Try this one:

https://streamable.com/l4dft

erudite said:

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I want to open up a thread where I am OP and can edit all sources that get translated. Not sure if we want several threads on Coronavirus TBH.

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I think the bigger this becomes we would all support a translation only thread. The problem is it might get derailed by certain posters quickly.

Zemira said:

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erudite said:

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I want to open up a thread where I am OP and can edit all sources that get translated. Not sure if we want several threads on Coronavirus TBH.

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I think the bigger this becomes we would all support a translation only thread. The problem is it might get derailed by certain posters quickly.

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That's a good idea though. Otherwise the translation posts get lost among the other updates and responses.