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The **** they invented is so *******ed ****ing diabolical it is literally incomprehensible. What i posted about isnt even the worst. Its just the one they made that could fit the current pattern.

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As a philosophical aside note: what you posted has a certain historical significance. If it is true that the Soviets were developing that kind of unstoppable bio-weapon, with its potential of real decimation, it might make them officially worse than the Third Reich. It just might. Movies and novels aside, I do not recall hearing of the Germans having done that kind of non-curable bio-warfare. Maybe they did. But if they did not, the communists are officially worse. (Because both killed comparable numbers conventionally)

They're MUCH worse. And worse yet, their bio program Didnt drop off ONE BIT after the soviet union! Yeltsin diverted our money used to pay russian military scientists to NOT continue military research INTO the biopreparat program. Literally the most diabolical program in human history.

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cbr It is important to note that, in the Soviet's view, the best biological agents were those for which there was no prevention and no cure.

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Why would they invent something with no prevention or no cure?

Out of sheer spite, would have advised them if there is just one of us left, we are firing ALL of the H-bombs to make up for it.

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They did also have a 'dead hand' automatic nuke launch response if no human command was given. We didnt even ****ing know about it. Why build a doomsday deterrent device, and not let the people you are trying to deter with it know it existed!?

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Now you are quoting Dr.Strangelove. Do you think maybe there is some tinfoil in the sources you were reading?

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The **** they invented is so *******ed ****ing diabolical it is literally incomprehensible. What i posted about isnt even the worst. Its just the one they made that could fit the current pattern.

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As a philosophical aside note: what you posted has a certain historical significance. If it is true that the Soviets were developing that kind of unstoppable bio-weapon, with its potential of real decimation, it might make them officially worse than the Third Reich. It just might. Movies and novels aside, I do not recall hearing of the Germans having done that kind of non-curable bio-warfare. Maybe they did. But if they did not, the communists are officially worse. (Because both killed comparable numbers conventionally)

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I just discovered this year that the nazis did manufacture ground breaking chemical warfare agents. Thats a battlefield weapon they strangely didnt use. But i know of NOTHING like this from germany. The japs did advanced biowarfare on the chinese but i dont recall all the details.

Anyway, here's to hoping that the chinese are way overreacting and this is a natural bad flu.

So was looking at the CDC. They have been updating the link here:

And it says a lot, but they are at least trying to be proactive. Level 3 alert for Wuhan, not raised for the rest of China yet. The state Department is level 4 advisory for Wuhan which is do not travel there.

If you look at the WHO and everything coming out from them, they seem to be severely downplaying the virus.

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cbr It is important to note that, in the Soviet's view, the best biological agents were those for which there was no prevention and no cure.

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Why would they invent something with no prevention or no cure?

Out of sheer spite, would have advised them if there is just one of us left, we are firing ALL of the H-bombs to make up for it.

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They did also have a 'dead hand' automatic nuke launch response if no human command was given. We didnt even ****ing know about it. Why build a doomsday deterrent device, and not let the people you are trying to deter with it know it existed!?

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Now you are quoting Dr.Strangelove. Do you think maybe there is some tinfoil in the sources you were reading?

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No. Declass actual sourced research. I didnt do the research myself but the sources i have read are cited, sourced material and real interviews of real participants.

You dont see much online, but you can find some info.

https://www.wired.com/2009/09/mf-deadhand/

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cbr,

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The **** they invented is so *******ed ****ing diabolical it is literally incomprehensible. What i posted about isnt even the worst. Its just the one they made that could fit the current pattern.

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As a philosophical aside note: what you posted has a certain historical significance. If it is true that the Soviets were developing that kind of unstoppable bio-weapon, with its potential of real decimation, it might make them officially worse than the Third Reich. It just might. Movies and novels aside, I do not recall hearing of the Germans having done that kind of non-curable bio-warfare. Maybe they did. But if they did not, the communists are officially worse. (Because both killed comparable numbers conventionally)

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I just discovered this year that the nazis did manufacture ground breaking chemical warfare agents. Thats a battlefield weapon they strangely didnt use. But i know of NOTHING like this from germany. The japs did advanced biowarfare on the chinese but i dont recall all the details.

Anyway, here's to hoping that the chinese are way overreacting and this is a natural bad flu.

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Well we developed some things too. I specifically had in mind the uncurable and not-preventable part of your post. That's the real evil. The Japanese stuff was horrible -- but don't recall it being designed to just be unstoppable -- they aren't really doomsday take all with them in nature. There is a ritual to things. Even war.

On the chemical agents from Germany, as understand it, very ironically, it was Hitler that was reluctant to see it used (before the final phase). Probably because of World War I experience and just a feeling about it.

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The **** they invented is so *******ed ****ing diabolical it is literally incomprehensible. What i posted about isnt even the worst. Its just the one they made that could fit the current pattern.

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As a philosophical aside note: what you posted has a certain historical significance. If it is true that the Soviets were developing that kind of unstoppable bio-weapon, with its potential of real decimation, it might make them officially worse than the Third Reich. It just might. Movies and novels aside, I do not recall hearing of the Germans having done that kind of non-curable bio-warfare. Maybe they did. But if they did not, the communists are officially worse. (Because both killed comparable numbers conventionally)

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I just discovered this year that the nazis did manufacture ground breaking chemical warfare agents. Thats a battlefield weapon they strangely didnt use. But i know of NOTHING like this from germany. The japs did advanced biowarfare on the chinese but i dont recall all the details.

Anyway, here's to hoping that the chinese are way overreacting and this is a natural bad flu.

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Well we developed some things too. I specifically had in mind the uncurable and not-preventable part of your post. That's the real evil. The Japanese stuff was horrible -- but don't recall it being designed to just be unstoppable -- they aren't really doomsday take all with them in nature. There is a ritual to things. Even war.

On the chemical agents from Germany, as understand it, very ironically, it was Hitler that was reluctant to see it used (before the final phase). Probably because of World War I experience and just a feeling about it.

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Any of our really bad stuff remains classified so who knows. The researchers i have read believe our official position that we obeyed the bio treaty and cancelled our offensive biowarfare program, but who knows.

Sadly, the WHO, like the UN, is a freaking joke. Embarrassing really...

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So was looking at the CDC. They have been updating the link here:

And it says a lot, but they are at least trying to be proactive. Level 3 alert for Wuhan, not raised for the rest of China yet. The state Department is level 4 advisory for Wuhan which is do not travel there.

If you look at the WHO and everything coming out from them, they seem to be severely downplaying the virus.

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And yet the CDC link there does say it is a `novel' coronavirus, which Marcus Aurelius and aezmvp says is potentially very dangerous because no one has built-in immunities yet.

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The **** they invented is so *******ed ****ing diabolical it is literally incomprehensible. What i posted about isnt even the worst. Its just the one they made that could fit the current pattern.

Read up on alibek, pasechnik, biopreparat. I learned forst from the annie jacobs books, and alibek wrote one himself.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/202698.Biohazard

But you cant find this info online really.

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Yeah the Soviets did some crazy scary stuff with their bioweapons. I have a friend who was hired by the CIA as a scientific expert to go to VECTOR in Novosibirsk and other bioweapons labs in Russia after the breakup. He told me what the Russians had done was terrifying and very real. He also talked about how poor their containment systems were. I'm sure the Chinese containment systems are on par with the Russians.

For those posters thinking that people on this board may be over reacting, I'm basing my high level of concern on the reaction of the government of China. They have quarantined 35 million people in large cities. Thee is no way they can get food and fuel to that many people in that kind of quarantine situation. In those cities the SHTF moments will come next week when people start to get hungry.

No way China disrupts their economy, instills fear in their population, and creates conditions potentially ripe for civil unrest for simply a bad flu season. It is the Chinese government reaction that has me very concerned. And no I don't trust their numbers. Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

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The **** they invented is so *******ed ****ing diabolical it is literally incomprehensible. What i posted about isnt even the worst. Its just the one they made that could fit the current pattern.

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As a philosophical aside note: what you posted has a certain historical significance. If it is true that the Soviets were developing that kind of unstoppable bio-weapon, with its potential of real decimation, it might make them officially worse than the Third Reich. It just might. Movies and novels aside, I do not recall hearing of the Germans having done that kind of non-curable bio-warfare. Maybe they did. But if they did not, the communists are officially worse. (Because both killed comparable numbers conventionally)

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I just discovered this year that the nazis did manufacture ground breaking chemical warfare agents. Thats a battlefield weapon they strangely didnt use. But i know of NOTHING like this from germany. The japs did advanced biowarfare on the chinese but i dont recall all the details.

Anyway, here's to hoping that the chinese are way overreacting and this is a natural bad flu.

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Well we developed some things too. I specifically had in mind the uncurable and not-preventable part of your post. That's the real evil. The Japanese stuff was horrible -- but don't recall it being designed to just be unstoppable -- they aren't really doomsday take all with them in nature. There is a ritual to things. Even war.

On the chemical agents from Germany, as understand it, very ironically, it was Hitler that was reluctant to see it used (before the final phase). Probably because of World War I experience and just a feeling about it.

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Any of our really bad stuff remains classified so who knows. The researchers i have read believe our official position that we obeyed the bio treaty and cancelled our offensive biowarfare program, but who knows.

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Probably we did, and certainly after 1991. I find that very alarming that the Yeltsin admin continued with anything like that.

Now if you mean WW II, with the US and Allies-- -do you know of Bari Harbor, Italy in 1943? Mustard gas was being considered for sieges like Monte Cassino. That is why it was stockpiled aboard.

(Tinfoil hat fair warning) This story was in the last blocks of most the FNC shows I saw today/tonight. Does it blow up tomorrow and over weekend to overshadow the Republicans 24 hours of impeachment defense?

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No way China disrupts their economy, instills fear in their population, and creates conditions potentially ripe for civil unrest for simply a bad flu season. It is the Chinese government reaction that has me very concerned. And no I don't trust their numbers. Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

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Exactly. If it was just "hundreds" dying from a flu wave, vs thousands or millions, they would let it go. Unless they knew it was something they have to stop regardless of `count' so far. Agree with your reasons for worry, and that is my big concern.

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It might, but hopefully if something like that happens, it just leads to summary dismissal and even the DNC-MSM finally deciding to wait for election and let the people decide. .

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It might, but hopefully if something like that happens, it just leads to summary dismissal and even the DNC-MSM finally deciding to wait for election and let the people decide. .

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No way in hell the Democrats will not throw a fit if this happens. This would be best for the Republic or suspend or cancel the proceedings, but the Dems never put America first.

Agreed. And as it should be anyhow.

But, LOL on the DNC/MSM...they'd gladly be broadcasting their last breath from a burning studio if it was about Trump being removed from office...

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It might, but hopefully if something like that happens, it just leads to summary dismissal and even the DNC-MSM finally deciding to wait for election and let the people decide. .

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No way in hell the Democrats will not throw a fit if this happens. This would be best for the Republic or suspend or cancel the proceedings, but the Dems never put America first.

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No, but its not up to them, but McConnell. Even Republican wobblies would fall into line at once for such a crisis, even if the Dems were prepared to betray the national interest.

That is true. War Turtle actually gives two ****s about the country, the Constitution and especially the Senate chamber.

China has now locked down ten cities

For them to go to these lengths, it must be a whole lot worse than what they're publicly saying.

China may start executing those who have it to stop the spread.

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Time to break out the tin foil, in very large quantities.

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Time to head to Costco.....you're going to need more foil.

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

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Event 201

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.

In recent years, the world has seen a growing number of epidemic events, amounting to approximately 200 events annually. These events are increasing, and they are disruptive to health, economies, and society. Managing these events already strains global capacity, even absent a pandemic threat. Experts agree that it is only a matter of time before one of these epidemics becomes globala pandemic with potentially catastrophic consequences. A severe pandemic, which becomes "Event 201," would require reliable cooperation among several industries, national governments, and key international institutions.

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Videos of Event 201

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A lot of people didn't pay attention in biology. If you struggle to understand why this is different than an Ebola outbreak, public schooling has failed you.

Go watch Contagion if you want to see what we are all hoping this isn't.

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Because if you ban travel, you're just being an overreactive fool /sarc

12 cities now and 35 million people on travel lockdown.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/24/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html

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Construction folks chime in.... how many flaws/defects will this building have???? Build a hospital in 10 days in the middle of winter. What could go wong?

I think the infected and death numbers are far larger given their actions, including trying to build new hospitals in 2 weeks.

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The **** they invented is so *******ed ****ing diabolical it is literally incomprehensible. What i posted about isnt even the worst. Its just the one they made that could fit the current pattern.

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As a philosophical aside note: what you posted has a certain historical significance. If it is true that the Soviets were developing that kind of unstoppable bio-weapon, with its potential of real decimation, it might make them officially worse than the Third Reich. It just might. Movies and novels aside, I do not recall hearing of the Germans having done that kind of non-curable bio-warfare. Maybe they did. But if they did not, the communists are officially worse. (Because both killed comparable numbers conventionally)

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I just discovered this year that the nazis did manufacture ground breaking chemical warfare agents. Thats a battlefield weapon they strangely didnt use. But i know of NOTHING like this from germany. The japs did advanced biowarfare on the chinese but i dont recall all the details.

Anyway, here's to hoping that the chinese are way overreacting and this is a natural bad flu.

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Well we developed some things too. I specifically had in mind the uncurable and not-preventable part of your post. That's the real evil. The Japanese stuff was horrible -- but don't recall it being designed to just be unstoppable -- they aren't really doomsday take all with them in nature. There is a ritual to things. Even war.

On the chemical agents from Germany, as understand it, very ironically, it was Hitler that was reluctant to see it used (before the final phase). Probably because of World War I experience and just a feeling about it.

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Hitler got gassed in WWI, which caused a lifetime of pain. All documentation points towards him never wanting any chemical weapons used.

What are the chances that this virus outbreak is happening right when Netflix releases a show called pandemic. You couldn't script this any better.

Got this timeline from Reddit....
R/ChinaFlu Reddit
Supposedly translated over from a native Chinese speaker...

It appears this is worse than they are letting be known...

"Dec 8, 2019 is universally regarded as the first case of the coronavirus appearing. Him and about 27 other patients went to the hospital - they all have the same symptoms, and they're identified as 'unknown pneumonia patients'.
Things escalated in the next couple of weeks. On Dec 30, 2019, the seafood market that these cases originated from was identified, but no actions to directly close down and quarantine the market was taken. The SARS like virus was also confirmed and an emergency announcement file is released to medical personels with the last line stating: nobody is allowed to spread any information about this without approval from the authorithy.
#WuhanSARS was also trending that night on Weibo but was immediately censored.
On Dec 31, 2019, a visit to the seafood market shows that nobody was aware of this flu. The entire market was business as usual. People walking around with no virus protection of any kind. On the afternoon, health committe released info on 27 cases of unknown pneumonia patients to the public, stating that no person-to-person virus transition have been discovered yet, and no medical staff was infected. Central people's newpaper tweeted something alone the lines of:
'All of the cases are residents of the seafood market, guys, there is nothing to be worried about. Rest assured! Even if it's SARS, we are sure to have it under control with our advanced and unmatched medical system.'
On Jan 1, 2020. People began posting on Weibo that it is very possible this virus can transfer between humans. They were censored. In the mean time, Wuhan police's account tweeted out: '8 individuals that spreaded misinformations about the pneumonia have been taken into custody. Worry not Chinese people! We've got everything under control.' The Wuhan health committe also keep on stating that this virus does not transfer between humans. I'm sure you're seeing a pattern here.
What's interesting to note that the Hong Kong goverment called a stat emergency immediately upon discovering cases within its region on Jan 4, whilst people in Wuhan are still trusting in its leaders and hoping for the best. This went on for an entire week, the Wuhan health committe keeps on stating that no new cases were discovered when in the mean time censored tweets on Weibo states hospitals are completely full with patients and new cases around the world starts to surface.
It is extremely clear at this point that this virus is highly contagious, can transfer between humans and can be deadly. But Wuhan citizens, going with the false info released by its goverment, was still going around the city with no protection whatsoever, believing that this is just a benigh virus under control.
On Jan 14, a group of journalists and medical staffs from Hong Kong came to Wuhan's hospital, they were rejected, later taken to the police and all footages they took in the hospital was taken away.
Keep in mind that in the mean time new cases started to spring everywhere on the map of China, and Wuhan citizens that traveled to other corners of the world are identified as infected cases.
On Jan 12, Imperial college london released a report estimating there should be around 1,700 cases by Jan 17. This invoked some questions in China.
On the same day, 13th HuBei people's representitive meeting was held in Wuhan. This is a huge goverment election event that lasts about a week. Before you ask, wait, China has elections? Just google it, I won't go too deep into it.
On Jan 16, someone on ZhiHu (The Chinese Quora) asked 'ok, so there are so many cases happening around the world, how did our great leaders manage to get this under control?' (Spoiler: They didn't, they just didn't put in on the news). More questions were asked and soon they were all deleted.
During the time the meeting was held, no new cases were reported by the Wuhan health committe. On Jan 18 however, after the event has finished, they started stating new cases were 'discovered' again. An interesting coincedence. This corona fellow is very collabrative.
Keep in mind that this late into 2020, people still have no idea how serious this virus is, they still think it doesn't transfer between humans, they still think it's only a handful of people that got this thing and it's completely under control.
On Jan 17, Wuhan travel committe released their big event: Free sightseeing for up to 200,000 tourists! Come to Wuhan and see the beautiful city!
On Jan 18, 40,000 families gathered around to eat and share family made gourmet dishes with each other. The smell of happiness filled the air. No virus involved.
On Jan 20, Mr. Zhongnanshan, at 84 years old, went to Wuhan with a medical team. This is the first time some truth was released to the public: this virus transitions between humans, 15 medical staff was infected, and it is at this point the case and death numbers started skyrocketing.
I'll leave a imgur album of some chatlogs/weibo here, they're all translated. You can see for yourself how serious this thing really is."
Imgur Chat Log Album link- notes of translation on right

Holy crap did you guys see the footage of them trying to build a new hospital over the weekend in China?!

Highlights from Imgur Album of Chinese Chat Logs with translation on right....
Chats are from different dates but I can't read Chinese.
31 year old Chinese Doctor mentioned, ended up dying but the Imgur image confirming his death had NSFW language used to describe people's lungs who have been infected.





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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/coronavirus-china-wuhan-latest/2020/01/23/2dc947a8-3d45-11ea-afe2-090eb37b60b1_story.html

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"A bigger outbreak is certain," said Guan Yi, a virologist who helped identify severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2003. He estimated "conservatively," he said that this outbreak could be 10 times bigger than the SARS epidemic because that virus was transmitted by only a few "super spreaders" in a more defined part of the country

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The disease has broken all containment in China. I think it's time we shut down all travel to and from that country.

Overnight updates

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Ah yes we can certainly count on the ever trustful Chinese people to self report their illness and not hide it.

Why do our politicians continue to think that everyone on the planet behaves like Westerners? These people are utterly brain dead.

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Exactly. It's not just the government....the entire culture is based on dishonesty.

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What are the chances that this virus outbreak is happening right when Netflix releases a show called pandemic. You couldn't script this any better.

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When I was in high school, I started reading the Cobra Event right before all the anthrax scare started happening. It made the book much more interesting