Do the hits just keep on coming?

No because they define what being a coward is.

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Pandemics actually rate putting individual rights in back seat. Let's hope this isn't really that for them.

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... there are words I want to use in response to this after the way I got treated during the pandemic, but I'm not.

Wife & I are covid vax free, rarely wore masks dueing the pandemic, and if masks become a thing again with respect to covid I'm probably going to pick up multiple assault charges if I don't head somewhere where life is harder, but people don't care about covid.

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IrishTxAggie said:

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It's the flu. Know how many people died of the flu in the US last year; About 56,000... This is nothing. Just fear mongering.

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You'd be one of those African villagers blaming doctors for Ebola showing up.

The only reason we aren't dying in droves like humanity in the past is that we developed modern western medicine and take things like this seriously. Worst case is you take it too seriously and stop the virus quickly?

No one is saying the end is near, but it doesn't actually help anyone to brush it off like it's nothing.

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First page this was where the corona board was made

Pluralizes Everythings said:

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titan said:

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Pandemics actually rate putting individual rights in back seat. Let's hope this isn't really that for them.

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... there are words I want to use in response to this after the way I got treated during the pandemic, but I'm not.

Wife & I are covid vax free, rarely wore masks dueing the pandemic, and if masks become a thing again with respect to covid I'm probably going to pick up multiple assault charges if I don't head somewhere where life is harder, but people don't care about covid.

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Just head out of town to smaller towns .. most didn't change a thing .. I put a mask on one day and walked into a place to eat and they said don't scare our customers .. we recommend taking your make off to eat here … I was OK .. great

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BA.2.86 may be more capable of causing infection in people who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines.

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CDC warns Americans that they may be MORE susceptible to new Covid variant IF they've HAD the vaccine.

Link to CDC

And in the very next paragraph the CDC recommends to get your Covid vaccine.

So they've just told us that the vaccine is making people more susceptible to covid; and preventing covid; at the same time.

What are we doing here?

Someone please explain this.

Someone in the medical or science field with a fat stack of degrees and credentials please articulate what is going on here.

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"I signed off this morning on a proposal we have to present to the Congress a request for additional funding for a new vaccine that is necessary, that works," Biden, who is vacationing in the Lake Tahoe area, told reporters.

"It will likely be recommended that everybody get it no matter whether they've gotten it before or not," he added.

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Sounds like Biden is saying the plan is to spend more money on a new vaccine.

The new vaccine is necessary.

The new vaccine will be a vaccine 'that works'

The new vaccine will be recommended for everybody, ... and that everybody get it.

So in summary,

(1) we are requesting money for a new vaccine.

(2) The vaccine hasn't been developed yet.

(3) even though it hasn't been developed yet, it will be recommended

(4) everybody will get it

(5) it doesn't matter if you've been vaccinated or not. See (4), above.

Someone fact check me on this. Is this what we are doing? If this is not what we are doing, then what are we doing?

Heres a summary of this weeks covid news for those in the back playing on their phones:

-Theres a new covid variant.

-If you've been previously vaccinated you are more susceptible to getting the new covid variant.

-To prevent the new covid variant you should get vaccinated.

-In the meantime, the plan is to develop a new and improved vaccine that works.

-We are so confident that this new vaccine will work that it will be recommended that everyone get this new vaccine that works, even though it hasn't been developed yet and the funding has just been requested for it.

So I got a hard time convincing myself that we aren't seeing the groundwork being laid for Covid 2.0.

Somebody convince me otherwise.

"CDC warns Americans that they may be MORE susceptible to new Covid variant IF they've HAD the vaccine."

That is correct, the mRNA vaccine not only makes the vaccinated more susceptible, because, also read, that MRNA vaccine actually destroys ALL the body's natural defense against variants. ALL.

Government is pot committed.

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And in the very next paragraph the CDC recommends to get your Covid vaccine.

So they've just told us that the vaccine is making people more susceptible to covid; and preventing covid; at the same time.

What are we doing here?

Someone please explain this.

Someone in the medical or science field with a fat stack of degrees and credentials please articulate what is going on here.

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And why should we believe any of those "experts" at this point? They're the ones pushing all the masking and covid shots that are both not effective. I don't trust a word doctors say these days without doing my own research.

So a new vaccine and only 2 drinks a week.

Yeah - that's a big middle finger to more government BS !

What a joke.

Why is this variant more capable of causing infection if you've had Covid? Isn't that the opposite of every disease ever?

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Why is this variant more capable of causing infection if you've had Covid? Isn't that the opposite of every disease ever?

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Yes. With COVID, natural immunity science was thrown out the door. Rock dumb libs also argued that vax immunity was superior to natural immunity.

Mask studies were also thrown out the door - they don't work - and then changed i.e. your mask protects me from you so everyone has to wear a mask. The virus can get in while wearing a mask, but it can't get out, like a one way check valve.

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Counterpoint said:

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Why is this variant more capable of causing infection if you've had Covid? Isn't that the opposite of every disease ever?

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Yes. With COVID, natural immunity science was thrown out the door. Rock dumb libs also argued that vax immunity was superior to natural immunity.

Mask studies were also thrown out the door - they don't work - and then changed i.e. your mask protects me from you so everyone has to wear a mask. The virus can get in while wearing a mask, but it can't get out, like a one way check valve.

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Everyone is misinterpreting this article. The statement they've made is that this variant, compared to others, is more capable of overcoming immune surveillance, whether triggered by previous infection or the vaccine. It is NOT saying that people who had previous vaccination or infection are more susceptible.

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Logos Stick said:

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Why is this variant more capable of causing infection if you've had Covid? Isn't that the opposite of every disease ever?

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Yes. With COVID, natural immunity science was thrown out the door. Rock dumb libs also argued that vax immunity was superior to natural immunity.

Mask studies were also thrown out the door - they don't work - and then changed i.e. your mask protects me from you so everyone has to wear a mask. The virus can get in while wearing a mask, but it can't get out, like a one way check valve.

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Everyone is misinterpreting this article. The statement they've made is that this variant, compared to others, is more capable of overcoming immune surveillance, whether triggered by previous infection or the vaccine. It is NOT saying that people who had previous vaccination or infection are more susceptible.

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That makes more sense, thanks!

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Logos Stick said:

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Why is this variant more capable of causing infection if you've had Covid? Isn't that the opposite of every disease ever?

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Yes. With COVID, natural immunity science was thrown out the door. Rock dumb libs also argued that vax immunity was superior to natural immunity.

Mask studies were also thrown out the door - they don't work - and then changed i.e. your mask protects me from you so everyone has to wear a mask. The virus can get in while wearing a mask, but it can't get out, like a one way check valve.

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Everyone is misinterpreting this article. The statement they've made is that this variant, compared to others, is more capable of overcoming immune surveillance, whether triggered by previous infection or the vaccine. It is NOT saying that people who had previous vaccination or infection are more susceptible.

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A warning statement put out by the CDC to the general public should require no degree of interpretation.

If that's what the CDC meant, then why didn't the CDC say what you just said?

We are three years in and the CDC is still putting out statements to the general public that require interpretation rather than using a plain language approach.

Read the CDC's statement above. Based on the CDC's statement, rank the following persons susceptibility to the new Covid variant:

A) Vaccinated person
B) Vaccinated person who has previous covid infection(s)
C) Unvaccinated person with previous covid infection(s).
D) Unvaccinated person.

Now read your statement and rank the new Covid variant's capability of overcoming immune survellance in the following persons:

A) Vaccinated person
B) Vaccinated person who has previous covid infection(s)
C) Unvaccinated person with previous covid infection.
D) Unvaccinated person.

After we sort out the answer to these questions I will then go back and reanalyze the issue here. Standing by.

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Logos Stick said:

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Why is this variant more capable of causing infection if you've had Covid? Isn't that the opposite of every disease ever?

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Yes. With COVID, natural immunity science was thrown out the door. Rock dumb libs also argued that vax immunity was superior to natural immunity.

Mask studies were also thrown out the door - they don't work - and then changed i.e. your mask protects me from you so everyone has to wear a mask. The virus can get in while wearing a mask, but it can't get out, like a one way check valve.

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Everyone is misinterpreting this article. The statement they've made is that this variant, compared to others, is more capable of overcoming immune surveillance, whether triggered by previous infection or the vaccine. It is NOT saying that people who had previous vaccination or infection are more susceptible.

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That's how I read it as well.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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GordonWood said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Counterpoint said:

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Why is this variant more capable of causing infection if you've had Covid? Isn't that the opposite of every disease ever?

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Yes. With COVID, natural immunity science was thrown out the door. Rock dumb libs also argued that vax immunity was superior to natural immunity.

Mask studies were also thrown out the door - they don't work - and then changed i.e. your mask protects me from you so everyone has to wear a mask. The virus can get in while wearing a mask, but it can't get out, like a one way check valve.

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Everyone is misinterpreting this article. The statement they've made is that this variant, compared to others, is more capable of overcoming immune surveillance, whether triggered by previous infection or the vaccine. It is NOT saying that people who had previous vaccination or infection are more susceptible.

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A warning statement put out by the CDC to the general public should require no degree of interpretation.

If that's what the CDC meant, then why didn't the CDC say what you just said?

We are three years in and the CDC is still putting out statements to the general public that require interpretation rather than using a plain language approach.

Read the CDC's statement above. Based on the CDC's statement, rank the following persons susceptibility to the new Covid variant:

A) Vaccinated person
B) Vaccinated person who has previous covid infection(s)
C) Unvaccinated person with previous covid infection(s).
D) Unvaccinated person.

Now read your statement and rank the new Covid variant's capability of overcoming immune survellance in the following persons:

A) Vaccinated person
B) Vaccinated person who has previous covid infection(s)
C) Unvaccinated person with previous covid infection.
D) Unvaccinated person.

After we sort out the answer to these questions I will then go back and reanalyze the issue here. Standing by.

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They kind of did. I didn't consider your interpretation until you went that direction. Which made me reread the headline, realize why you thought what you did, and still interpret it as it was stated. Honestly I didn't think it was that unclear. Maybe I'm just used to reading scientific articles, I don't know…

The meaning is clear, especially when the alternative interpretation is so far-fetched. However, if you read the entire CDC statement, there is a section devoted to this.

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The meaning is clear, especially when the alternative interpretation is so far-fetched. However, if you read the entire CDC statement, there is a section devoted to this.

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I've taken to time to translate what the CDC is saying here into plain language. Do you agree with this assessment?

• The Covid virus has mutated. The CDC is concerned that natural immunity and any immunity gained from previous vaccines will not work as protection from the virus.
• The CDC does not yet have enough samples of this new variant to reach any definitive conclusion about whether the above statement is true.
• Testing of the new Covid variant is unreliable, and it is too soon to know whether the above is true.
• Nearly all of the US population has been exposed to previous mutations of covid.
• It is unlikely that any protection achieved to date against Covid will be effective against this new Covid variant. This new Covid variant is severe.
• Concludes by reminding the reader that the CDC is still investigating the new variant, with the insinuation that the above may be entirely inaccurate.

Is the CDC telling us that the Covid virus has mutated to become stronger?

Can't decide which is my favorite
the viruses
the tests
the vaccines

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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GordonWood said:

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The meaning is clear, especially when the alternative interpretation is so far-fetched. However, if you read the entire CDC statement, there is a section devoted to this.

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I've taken to time to translate what the CDC is saying here into plain language. Do you agree with this assessment?

• The Covid virus has mutated. The CDC is concerned that natural immunity and any immunity gained from previous vaccines will not work as protection from the virus.
• The CDC does not yet have enough samples of this new variant to reach any definitive conclusion about whether the above statement is true.
• Testing of the new Covid variant is unreliable, and it is too soon to know whether the above is true.
• Nearly all of the US population has been exposed to previous mutations of covid.
• It is unlikely that any protection achieved to date against Covid will be effective against this new Covid variant. This new Covid variant is severe.
• Concludes by reminding the reader that the CDC is still investigating the new variant, with the insinuation that the above may be entirely inaccurate.

Is the CDC telling us that the Covid virus has mutated to become stronger?

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Your next to last assessment is not supported by the CDC statement at all. In addition to the statement regarding protection outlined above they have another section on disease severity.

At the family farm this weekend celebrating birthdays and we just all had boosters !

Just a little dab of horse paste. Think we'll fine without a new shot.

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GordonWood said:

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The meaning is clear, especially when the alternative interpretation is so far-fetched. However, if you read the entire CDC statement, there is a section devoted to this.

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I've taken to time to translate what the CDC is saying here into plain language. Do you agree with this assessment?

• The Covid virus has mutated. The CDC is concerned that natural immunity and any immunity gained from previous vaccines will not work as protection from the virus.
• The CDC does not yet have enough samples of this new variant to reach any definitive conclusion about whether the above statement is true.
• Testing of the new Covid variant is unreliable, and it is too soon to know whether the above is true.
• Nearly all of the US population has been exposed to previous mutations of covid.
• It is unlikely that any protection achieved to date against Covid will be effective against this new Covid variant. This new Covid variant is severe.
• Concludes by reminding the reader that the CDC is still investigating the new variant, with the insinuation that the above may be entirely inaccurate.

Is the CDC telling us that the Covid virus has mutated to become stronger?

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Your next to last assessment is not supported by the CDC statement at all. In addition to the statement regarding protection outlined above they have another section on disease severity.

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Concludes by reminding the reader that the CDC is still investigating the new variant, with the insinuation that the above may be entirely inaccurate.

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These statements are the same thing. Only difference is that I'm not soft-pedaling it.

I meant your next to last bullet point.

All I know is there better be solid language in the NDAA preventing the DoD from forcing this **** upon the servicemen.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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GordonWood said:

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The meaning is clear, especially when the alternative interpretation is so far-fetched. However, if you read the entire CDC statement, there is a section devoted to this.

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I've taken to time to translate what the CDC is saying here into plain language. Do you agree with this assessment?

• The Covid virus has mutated. The CDC is concerned that natural immunity and any immunity gained from previous vaccines will not work as protection from the virus.
• The CDC does not yet have enough samples of this new variant to reach any definitive conclusion about whether the above statement is true.
• Testing of the new Covid variant is unreliable, and it is too soon to know whether the above is true.
• Nearly all of the US population has been exposed to previous mutations of covid.
• It is unlikely that any protection achieved to date against Covid will be effective against this new Covid variant. This new Covid variant is severe.
• Concludes by reminding the reader that the CDC is still investigating the new variant, with the insinuation that the above may be entirely inaccurate.

Is the CDC telling us that the Covid virus has mutated to become stronger?

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I heard it is predicted to become "the strongest" in October of 2024...gonna have to stay home and mail in ballots again....right?

We come full circle now.

Right back at where we were at this time in 2019.