You also have to realize that the difference between the Chinese hospital grades are very large. I have been to hospitals there in 2018 that don't even have X-ray machines.

Be glad.

****ing French...

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The numbers coming out of Italy should make it clear to everyone that China vastly under reported their numbers. Per https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6. today Italy has 17,660 confirmed cases; China has 80,976. China has ~4.5x the number of reported cases Italy has reported. The population of China (1.3B) is ~22x that of Italy (60M).

Their are certainly differences between Italy and China; but there are similarities. Italians, by their nature, are "socially close" while the Chinese, particularly in cities, are packed in like sardines in a can and can't help but be "socially close". Italians smoke, the Chinese smoke. They both have aging populations.

I'm not claiming that the Italians are the model of efficiency in dealing with COVID-19. But I do believe they are being fairly transparent with the numbers. Anyone trusting any of the numbers coming out of China is fooling themselves.

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How do you explain South Korea's low numbers?

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dmart90 said:

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The numbers coming out of Italy should make it clear to everyone that China vastly under reported their numbers. Per https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6. today Italy has 17,660 confirmed cases; China has 80,976. China has ~4.5x the number of reported cases Italy has reported. The population of China (1.3B) is ~22x that of Italy (60M).

Their are certainly differences between Italy and China; but there are similarities. Italians, by their nature, are "socially close" while the Chinese, particularly in cities, are packed in like sardines in a can and can't help but be "socially close". Italians smoke, the Chinese smoke. They both have aging populations.

I'm not claiming that the Italians are the model of efficiency in dealing with COVID-19. But I do believe they are being fairly transparent with the numbers. Anyone trusting any of the numbers coming out of China is fooling themselves.

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How do you explain South Korea's low numbers?

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200,000 members of a church that was very young. And locking down everything immediately. Still spreading, but mitigated greatly.

Did I hear Gov Abbott correctly yesterday - the entire state of Texas can give out 273 tests per day? Does that include Quest, LabCorp, etc? Seems woefully inadequate.

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West Virginia

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Unofficial winner of March Madness.

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The prevailing thought is that COVID attaches to cells in the airways that produce a protein called ACE2.

But what we are wrong and it really attaches to teeth instead?

They can give out as many as they have in n sick
They can only process that many per day

What is your number that we should be able to process a day last year?

Maybe, maybe not. The Chinese locked Wuhan down when they hit 400 identified cases in a day. For Italy that would have been March 1. Italy waited about a week longer than that. When they closed it down on March 7/8 they were at over 1,000 daily new cases.

closing schools is a really good step

that's what Italy said they did too late

The same groups that will complain the government isnt doing enough are the same groups that are treating This as a vacation. This will not play out well for ending spread if people wont just chill away from others for a little while.

I translated the current diagnosis criteria.

They are missing a lot of possible cases because it currently stipulates you must either states the following

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Suspected criteria:
14 days before signs/symptoms has the following:

• Traveled to Wuhan or Hubei province
• Contact with a known N-cov patient
• Gone through an area with at least 2 known N-cov cases

Signs/symptoms

Fever or respiratory tract signs

Signs limited to N-cov

Early stages show lowered or normal white blood cell count and lowered or normal lymph node count

Of these with an infectious disease history presents requires one sign. If they are bedridden without obvious signs requires two of these criteria, and if they fulfill neither of these criteria they must fulfill all three requirements.

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Emphasizes mine.
You must fulfill BOTH the 14 day AND all 3 criteria for consideration as possible case in community spread.

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SIAP
This was pretty neat. Slight goosebumps. Bravo to the Italians for the morale push

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SIAP
This was pretty neat. Slight goosebumps. Bravo to the Italians for the morale push

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Be a lot better if the was disinfectant mixed in with that coloring.

That was amazing, love seeing stuff like that.

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Looks like a normal Friday night there. Don't see the connection with colleges being closed.

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Because college kids aren't going to just stay home and are arguably in even closer contact with each other at a crowded bar than in class.

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I mean sure but a picture of normal sized Friday night crowd at Bourbon Street doesn't really prove that point.

College kids are going to party regardless. Especially bourbon Street on the weekend.

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Exactly so why cancel all college classes then? Majority of kids 16-25 are going to do the same unless their parents try to force them to stay home. Just shows the ridiculousness of canceling certain things for certain cohorts. Have the elderly and at risk people stay home.

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They can't party 24/7 indefinitely whereas previously they'd spend all day on campus with 50K people (lectures, labs, study groups, etc.) and then go out.

Take away all that and add some additional partying and it's still a net positive.

You also have to consider concentration of those cases. Italy has 60M people but most of their cases are concentrated in Lombardy, which has 10M people. So even though Italy on the national level is 292 cases / 1M, Lombardy is at 872.



Hubei province in China has 67,790 confirmed cases for 59M people - a rate of 1148 per 1M capita, but most of those again were in an even smaller subset of Wuhan, 12M or so.

So, China's seems to be worse end the end, but the outbreak in Wuhan is over and the outbreak growth in Lombardy is a few days from peaking (if you assume the peak in observed cases lags the quarantine by a week).

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SIAP
This was pretty neat. Slight goosebumps. Bravo to the Italians for the morale push

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All those planes are going to be in the shop for a month. Fix It Again, Tony!

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I read seven foot AND real hot and friendly and was wondering where you have been picking up chicks.

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Sounds like a Belter chick

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The couches will burn!!!

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dmart90 said:

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The numbers coming out of Italy should make it clear to everyone that China vastly under reported their numbers. Per https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6. today Italy has 17,660 confirmed cases; China has 80,976. China has ~4.5x the number of reported cases Italy has reported. The population of China (1.3B) is ~22x that of Italy (60M).

Their are certainly differences between Italy and China; but there are similarities. Italians, by their nature, are "socially close" while the Chinese, particularly in cities, are packed in like sardines in a can and can't help but be "socially close". Italians smoke, the Chinese smoke. They both have aging populations.

I'm not claiming that the Italians are the model of efficiency in dealing with COVID-19. But I do believe they are being fairly transparent with the numbers. Anyone trusting any of the numbers coming out of China is fooling themselves.

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-are-koreas-covid-19-death-rates-so-low/

Looks like they were just simply more prepared and had the ability to test a LOT right from the start. Then you throw in the thermal cameras, cctv tracking, etc.

A little luck helped too:

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The country could act so effectively due to a piece of rare good luck. Buttressing prior experience with SARS and MERS, the KCDC by coincidence conducted a table-top exercise on a coronavirus outbreak in December 2019.

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China working nonstop to convince the gullible that the US is really the one to blame.

"Big Lie" Campaign

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I've heard experts claim that this came from zoological transmission, but China's behvaiour to cover this up, deny and blame others only makes me think its a bioweapon even more.

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I believe that they were testing viruses in animals and a careless worker got exposed and infected, and he got it started accidentally.

I suspect that a lot of people's fifteen minutes of internet fame on this thread will be coming to an end very soon.

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dmart90 said:

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The numbers coming out of Italy should make it clear to everyone that China vastly under reported their numbers. Per https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6. today Italy has 17,660 confirmed cases; China has 80,976. China has ~4.5x the number of reported cases Italy has reported. The population of China (1.3B) is ~22x that of Italy (60M).

Their are certainly differences between Italy and China; but there are similarities. Italians, by their nature, are "socially close" while the Chinese, particularly in cities, are packed in like sardines in a can and can't help but be "socially close". Italians smoke, the Chinese smoke. They both have aging populations.

I'm not claiming that the Italians are the model of efficiency in dealing with COVID-19. But I do believe they are being fairly transparent with the numbers. Anyone trusting any of the numbers coming out of China is fooling themselves.

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How do you explain South Korea's low numbers?

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-are-koreas-covid-19-death-rates-so-low/

Looks like they were just simply more prepared and had the ability to test a LOT right from the start. Then you throw in the thermal cameras, cctv tracking, etc.

A little luck helped too:

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The country could act so effectively due to a piece of rare good luck. Buttressing prior experience with SARS and MERS, the KCDC by coincidence conducted a table-top exercise on a coronavirus outbreak in December 2019.

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Do you suppose their neighbor to the North and its possibility of using bio weapons might have something to do with it?

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dmart90 said:

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The numbers coming out of Italy should make it clear to everyone that China vastly under reported their numbers. Per https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6. today Italy has 17,660 confirmed cases; China has 80,976. China has ~4.5x the number of reported cases Italy has reported. The population of China (1.3B) is ~22x that of Italy (60M).

Their are certainly differences between Italy and China; but there are similarities. Italians, by their nature, are "socially close" while the Chinese, particularly in cities, are packed in like sardines in a can and can't help but be "socially close". Italians smoke, the Chinese smoke. They both have aging populations.

I'm not claiming that the Italians are the model of efficiency in dealing with COVID-19. But I do believe they are being fairly transparent with the numbers. Anyone trusting any of the numbers coming out of China is fooling themselves.

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How do you explain South Korea's low numbers?

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-are-koreas-covid-19-death-rates-so-low/

Looks like they were just simply more prepared and had the ability to test a LOT right from the start. Then you throw in the thermal cameras, cctv tracking, etc.

A little luck helped too:

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The country could act so effectively due to a piece of rare good luck. Buttressing prior experience with SARS and MERS, the KCDC by coincidence conducted a table-top exercise on a coronavirus outbreak in December 2019.

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Do you suppose their neighbor to the North and its possibility of using bio weapons might have something to do with it?

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That's an excellent point!

Whoa. Just learned about the COVID forum.

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Whoa. Just learned about the COVID forum.

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T&Ps

Not to step on your wicked burn or anything, but this thread has been going on for longer than 15 minutes.

According to a teacher friend the Commissioner has suspended STAAR testing for April, so that may help explain why so many districts are willingly going on two week spring breaks.

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Not to step on your wicked burn or anything, but this thread has been going on for longer than 15 minutes.

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Yeah! Not to step on your rad retort, nobody actually has 15 minutes of fame.