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this is why they need to close schools and level with people about how dire this is becoming

we are a month or two behind on diagnostics

if you don't shut things down now, April is going to be terrible

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This is his Bio on Twitter...all I need to see after skimming over the article

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Former Medicare, Medicaid & ACA head for Obama. Founded
@usofcare
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@townhallvntrs
to make health care work. Never broke a website, only fixed a big one.

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i just keep looking at Japan and asking what did they do

they closed the schools for 6 weeks

in addition to all the other distancing and paranoia and precaution, that was something that was done

it's hugely unpopular, i get that

Agreed. Done.

GarlandAg2012 said:

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Irish_Man said:

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If things were like that in Italy, wouldn't some news outlet have a story on that?

I just have a hard time believing posts on the internet.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-shocking-image-italian-patients-21663653?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

https://apnews.com/837274f1bab9af1aab12f1b9481b2d62

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/rare-look-inside-italian-hospitals-coron-id692744061

https://www.ft.com/content/34f25036-62f4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

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Whoa those are some left leaning sources. Reuters was total trash. Unreadable.

oneeyedag said:

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cone said:

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this is why they need to close schools and level with people about how dire this is becoming

we are a month or two behind on diagnostics

if you don't shut things down now, April is going to be terrible

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Politico hit piece? Why yes, yes it is. Virginia for example, and surrounding states have adequate testing kits on hand.

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Cones shctick has become old. It's pretty easy to guess who posts each posts on this thread without reading who it was first

If people would actually bother to read the article, instead of dismissing it outright because it doesn't match their political stripes, you'll see the source is a good one:

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CDC Director Robert Redfield told POLITICO on Tuesday that he is not confident that U.S. labs have an adequate stock of the supplies used to extract genetic material from any virus in a patient's sample a critical step in coronavirus testing.


"The availability of those reagents is obviously being looked at," he said, referring to the chemicals used for preparing samples. "I'm confident of the actual test that we have, but as people begin to operationalize the test, they realize there's other things they need to do the test."

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Shanked Punt said:

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If people would actually bother to read the article, instead of dismissing it outright because it doesn't match their political stripes, you'll see the source is a good one:

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CDC Director Robert Redfield told POLITICO on Tuesday that he is not confident that U.S. labs have an adequate stock of the supplies used to extract genetic material from any virus in a patient's sample a critical step in coronavirus testing.


"The availability of those reagents is obviously being looked at," he said, referring to the chemicals used for preparing samples. "I'm confident of the actual test that we have, but as people begin to operationalize the test, they realize there's other things they need to do the test."

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Which does not at all match the headline or fear-mongering....tests ARE at US hospitals.

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GarlandAg2012 said:

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Irish_Man said:

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If things were like that in Italy, wouldn't some news outlet have a story on that?

I just have a hard time believing posts on the internet.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-shocking-image-italian-patients-21663653?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

https://apnews.com/837274f1bab9af1aab12f1b9481b2d62

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/rare-look-inside-italian-hospitals-coron-id692744061

https://www.ft.com/content/34f25036-62f4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

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Whoa those are some left leaning sources. Reuters was total trash. Unreadable.

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People, like me , complain about the media fanning the flames, but if they were to run this stuff on say, Good Morning America, we'd have even more panic. Good on them for not doing it.

The tests are bloody useless you have all the stuff needed to run the tests.

I'm probably late to post this news:


Image
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UCLA Fans,

In accordance with the decision released today by UCLA, attendance at all UCLA Athletics home events will be completely spectator-free, effective immediately through at least April 10.

cone said:

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i just keep looking at Japan and asking what did they do

they closed the schools for 6 weeks

in addition to all the other distancing and paranoia and precaution, that was something that was done

it's hugely unpopular, i get that

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People are taking all sorts of 'hugely unpopular' actions right now....turns out, many institutions in the US have grown-ups in charge. Here's a list I just received.

"Please see the comprehensive list below for all of the significant events and assemblies that have been canceled or postponed in Houston, across Texas and the United States because of concerns about COVID-19. We all recognize and respect that the health, safety, and well-being of our local, regional, national, and international community remain our highest priority.

Houston

• Rice University cancels in-person classes and labs
• Houston Energy Conference (CERAWeek 2020)
• MD Anderson canceled all business travel, domestic and international, through April 29th
• Houston Methodist, HCA Houston Healthcare, MD Anderson, TCH, Harris Health System, and Memorial Hermann have modified visitor policies
• Memorial Hermann (MH) implemented a restricted access protocol across all MH acute care and rehabilitation hospitals, and convenient care centers
• Memorial Hermann asked all volunteer and non-essential staff older than 60 to leave the hospital and stay off the premises until further notice
• HEB eliminated all business-related air travel, both domestic and international, until further notice
• BCM temporarily has restricted all College-sponsored international travel

Texas

• South by Southwest (SXSW)
• Explore UT Open House
• Texas A&M University-Sponsored Travel Outside the US
• UHV Addressing Homelessness Symposium
• Texas Legislative Hearings
• UHV American Book Review Reading Series
• Lamar University - Sponsored Travel Outside the US
• Texas Tech Spring Break Study Abroad Trips
• Vinson & Elkins, Baker Botts, Latham & Watkins, and Sidley Austin canceled partner retreats
• Lunar and Planetary Science Conference
• Live Fire (sponsored by Austin Food & Wine Alliance)

USA

• Facebook F8 Developers Conference
• McDonald's Convention for Worldwide Franchisees
• American College of Healthcare Executives - Congress on Healthcare Leadership
• American Health Insurance Plans - National Health Policy Conference and National Conference on the Individual and Small Group Market
• Google News Initiative Global Summit
• Google I/O
• Stagecoach Music Festival
• Emerald City Comic Con
• Ultra Music Festival
• Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade
• BNP Paribas Open
• The Eastern Society for Pediatric Research 2020 Meeting
• Mariah Carey Concert
• Ciara Concerts
• Ivy League Basketball Tournament
• University of Washington - All in-person classes
• American Bar Association - All upcoming in-person conferences and sessions
• American Chemical Society Annual Meeting
• American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology Annual Meeting
• Adobe Summit (in-person canceled)
• Dell Technologies (now a virtual event)
• Milken Institute Global Conference
• Calle Ocho Festival
• IBM Think 2020
• IMF & World Bank Spring Meetings
• Shoptalk Retail Conference
• 2020 Global Health Conference & Exhibition
• Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival (media outlets reporting it is likely to be postponed, pending confirmation from Coachella)"
  

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AgStuckinLBK said:

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Part of Italy's death rate problem is that they're just not treating anybody above 65 OR with lots of comorbidities. (Info not from 4chan, from actual people over there).

They're literally just letting these people die and these are the ones that have a high mortality with treatment.

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That's fine. But it's true. We're about to find out how finite healthcare, especially critical care (vents, icu beds, RTs, Intensivists, etc...), is.

In Italy, urologists, surgeons, ortho docs are taking care of Covid patients in operating rooms due to the demands, which have been made into extra ICU beds

The MBAs and administrators who took over health care trying to maximize profit by cutting back our capacity to respond to emergencies have kind of ****ed us.

We don't have a ton of reserve for fighting this thing, and if we get overwhelmed, we will be making decisions like the Italians. We have 3x the ICU beds per person they do and they have an older population, so the criteria won't won't be that severe.

cone said:

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i just keep looking at Japan and asking what did they do

they closed the schools for 6 weeks

in addition to all the other distancing and paranoia and precaution, that was something that was done

it's hugely unpopular, i get that

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Japan is different than the US. High percentage of stay at home moms. Closing schools is comparatively easy for them.

So...how many people do you think are going to get sick in the US? Deaths?

Since you are certain our healthcare system is going to get overrun at some point? When do you think that will be?

That's cool...don't think Americans are going to give up their freedoms that easily.

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ttu_85 said:

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GarlandAg2012 said:

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Irish_Man said:

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If things were like that in Italy, wouldn't some news outlet have a story on that?

I just have a hard time believing posts on the internet.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-shocking-image-italian-patients-21663653?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

https://apnews.com/837274f1bab9af1aab12f1b9481b2d62

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/rare-look-inside-italian-hospitals-coron-id692744061

https://www.ft.com/content/34f25036-62f4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

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Whoa those are some left leaning sources. Reuters was total trash. Unreadable.

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People, like me , complain about the media fanning the flames, but if they were to run this stuff on say, Good Morning America, we'd have even more panic. Good on them for not doing it.

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Yep, It would be nice just to get the truth. If we had a fair and just media we all could make better more informed decisions. Noone has a clue what to believe these days.

Whiskey Jacket said:

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That's cool...don't think Americans are going to give up their freedoms that easily.

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I will never follow a lockdown or mandatory quarantine when the safest place I can be is outdoors. Plus, I need the outdoors to keep my sanity.

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That's cool...don't think Americans are going to give up their freedoms that easily.

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Better than staff giving you Coronavirus.

Yes -- if it gets out of control you basically have to lock down everyone.

Again, reactive - quarantine. And that should be scaled, starting with individuals plus contacts up to and including a whole town if necessary, I suppose.

Proactive - hygiene and social distancing.

We shouldn't do proactive quarantine, that to me seems to be all downside with little upside.

Here is a good example of hysteria.

Flight diverted after passengers became unruly when passenger started sneezing

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2020/03/10/flight-diverted-after-passengers-became-disruptive-over-someone-coughing/5009043002/

If people were educated on the true symptoms they would know sneezing is not one of them. It's either end of the world or just the flu with most people. We need to come to a middle ground FAST before this gets out of hand.

without increased diagnostic capabilities and strict discipline with regard to distancing and self-quarantine, i would estimate/guess some regional systems will be overwhelmed by mid-April

we are cruising for at least one region to go through a Italy crisis right now

I just got the tail end of the governor of Colorado on CNN

He said their state tests have a turn around time of 24 days!

But the good news is they are ramping up private testing that is currently 3-4 days.

Shouting down the country will cause a Great Depression. SHUTTING DOWN THE COUNTRY WILL CAUSE A GREAT DEPRESSION.

Now ask yourself how many people will die from a GD compared to exposure of this virus.

that's fine

if you're over 60, you need to stay the f home for the next two months

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I just got the tail end of the governor of Colorado on CNN

He said their state tests have a turn around time of 24 days!

But the good news is they are ramping up private testing that is currently 3-4 days.

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Then whoever is running their state lab(s) is incompetent.

Interesting graph here. Its charting the cases after #100 has been reported in each country.


https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

Zero people will die from a depression

Bookmarked

KorbinDallas said:

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Here is a good example of hysteria.

Flight diverted after passengers became unruly when passenger started sneezing

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2020/03/10/flight-diverted-after-passengers-became-disruptive-over-someone-coughing/5009043002/

If people were educated on the true symptoms they would know sneezing is not one of them. It's either end of the world or just the flu with most people. We need to come to a middle ground FAST before this gets out of hand.

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Lunacy ...