China Coronavirus Outbreak Spreads; Hundreds Infected As Human-To-Human Transmission

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That's a case for how it can be intentionally spread.

I guess my question is can it be intentionally acquired in the US today. I assume the answer for Average Joe is "no"... so why the panic if I can't even get it on purpose.
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Beat the Hell said:

Hypothetically- if one WANTS to get the coronavirus... do you think they could intentionally get it right now?


Not today, but in two weeks yes.
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For conspiracies, if you were a TDS stock investor you lost your ass over the last 3 years by betting against Trump. This virus is your key to getting back to even. Any big shorts on the market before the virus came?
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rgag12 said:

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PearlJammin said:

I'm in Atlantic City for a wedding and people do not give a single shlt about this. All casinos are packed. People partying and gambling everywhere.

Just sharing some perspective outside this board.


Most people don't care about politics overall either. It's all about money.


Yep, the media and the alarmists are about to achieve their goal and make the economy tank. Everybody knows that this disease isn't a big deal, but the libs and their media partners need to make everyone feel it in their wallets.

By the middle of this week we are going to hear nothing from the MSM except that this is the biggest economic collapse in the stock market since 08-09, which they hope will turn into layoffs soon.
That message has already happened on Friday and into yesterday. Next week will be pending layoff talk, recession talk, Trump's election chances are plummeting talk.

Remember...."never let a crisis go to waste." Democrat mantra.
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My wife is at Costco for our normal weekly shopping trip... she just told me the place its a madhouse. People are panic buying now for real.
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No one listens to the those news outlets except people that already are not voting for trump. No one cares.
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UncoverAg00 said:

My wife is at Costco for our normal weekly shopping trip... she just told me the place its a madhouse. People are panic buying now for real.
Where?
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North Houston.
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Guessing it's due to the Rice article...
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She sent me a picture of a guy who bought so much water, he couldn't fit it in his SUV and was forced to put it on top. Atleast a full pallet worth.
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UncoverAg00 said:

She sent me a picture of a guy who bought so much water, he couldn't fit it in his SUV and was forced to put it on top. Atleast a full pallet worth.
That pic wasn't taken in Houston, was it?
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The Katy 99/I10 location looked packed 45min prior to opening earlier. I needed to get some meats but decided it did not appear to be worth it after breakfast.. I'll just go to HEB later, but that may be the same.
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Aust Ag said:

PJYoung said:

I think Monday is setting up to be a record drop in the stock market.
Especially for the airlines and any travel related companies. Woof!

The question will be, what stocks stand to gain? Pharma? Manufacturers of mask? Amazon (people doing even less brick and mortar shopping)?


Why is the q what stocks stand to gain?

If you look at SHOP or AMZN they are still going to impacted by less discretionary spend and supply chain disruptions. But forget the fundamentals, think of supply and demand of the shares.... capital flow out of equities and wall st going short will likely bring everything down.

That said, at some point these high growth stocks will be great investments again.
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I cerainly hope it was taken in Houston... if it wasn't, then my wife is running away.
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It's funny how during floods or these type of events people buy water in places that get significant rainfall.

All you need is a pot and fire to turn bad fresh water into drinkable water.
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OPAG said:

Ok I have been hesitant to speak about my own personal living environment but will now.

I live in Bahrain, we have now 41 CV patients. Bahrain has a pretty heavy Shia population and therefore a number of folk who go to Qom for their religious trips.

So Bahrain has handled this very well.

1. They first monitered and shut down travel to China and tested every one coming of the flights and logging where and when etc.

2. They begin to do the same when the Iran infection became know. So far all our cases are Iran based.

3. As soon as we had a case and when it was found out he was a bus driver, they shut down all schools and U's and proceeded to monitor and quarantine all contacts that had any symptons and ask those who who did test positive or were asymptomatic to self quarantine and are monitered.. They are now going back through anyone who was in Iran from the dates of the first and have contacted all and have caused all to self quarantine.

4. They shut down all schools and U's for at least two weeks,

5. They have blitzed virus prevention tactics and opened up an emergency hotline.

AND THAT IS ALL.

Results: We have 41 cases, ZERO PANIC, ZERO RUN ON GROCERY STORES. We still met for church and other things. People are taking it in stride, some wear mask most don't. Other than kids being at home (not for us ours are grown) everything is pretty normal, It's chill!

EVALUATION: Bahrain has more cases than the US at this time, we live on Island about half the size of Maui, HI. and we are not acting like this is an apocalyptic world ending event. Life is going on pretty much as normal with the exception of the schools shut down to keep the potential spread to a minumum in large groups.

I am confident that this will not be a mass death major crisis here and I am quite sure it won't be in the US either!

Finally, I was a lead pastor/elder for a fellowship in Kyoto Japa for 7 years from 1994 to 2001, the point?

The flock was primarily post grad students in STEM, specifically biology and virus's etc. Kyoto University is well known for this. Over 50 of them were mainland Chinese! Many are top level researchers around the world, in the US, China, Singapore, Hong Kong, and even Europe and some stayed in Japan.

I have asked their take on this. Here is a text I received from Wu, originally from China, one of the top viral researchers in a major US university that is well known for this field. Her take kind of sums up the consensus from my gang, some of which are world class "Nobel peace price" type in thier field which include Virology.

"I feel that this virus was leaked P-4 lab by accident or poor practice/ management whether it was altered or not. I have been praying that truth to be revealed quickly, not 20 years later.


I think The Lord has prepared the antidote beforehand, the Remdesivir by Gilead (Jeremiah 8:22) is working most likely, and the vaccine is on its way, no need to worry in the long run.

I am glad that I am able to share the goodness of the Lord with my family and friends in China through wechat during the plague. Hope all of the chaos will be over by this Easter. Wu"



This. I posted a link to a Jerusalem Post article about Israeli scientists developing a vaccine several days ago.

And those of us who tend to believe this leaked from a bio weapons are relegated to the category of conspiracy theorists.
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thirdcoast said:

Aust Ag said:

PJYoung said:

I think Monday is setting up to be a record drop in the stock market.
Especially for the airlines and any travel related companies. Woof!

The question will be, what stocks stand to gain? Pharma? Manufacturers of mask? Amazon (people doing even less brick and mortar shopping)?


Why is the q what stocks stand to gain?

If you look at SHOP or AMZN they are still going to impacted by less discretionary spend and supply chain disruptions. But forget the fundamentals, think of supply and demand of the shares.... capital flow out of equities and wall st going short will likely bring everything down.

That said, at some point these high growth stocks will be great investments again.



When would you start to buy? If this week drops another $3K on the DOW I feel like it's time to put cash to work. Try to not time a bottom.

Then again, could get way worse and even further compounded by an election.
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How will the poorest of poor countries deal w this?
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I imagine the SSR list is going to get pretty long if the the selloff persists
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I'm Buying a colt python to shoot the corona zombies like Rick in walking dead.
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Irish_Man said:

I'm Buying a colt python to shoot the corona zombies like Rick in walking dead.


Just one? Come on, man. Realize your Texan potential and dual-wield.
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Anyone have good lists of food/items they are stocking up on? Gonna make a Sams run in a bit
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If you are making a food run now you won't have much to pick from. Just get things that last a while and you don't mind eating for days on end.
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Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess
I am not friends with school shooters.
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UncoverAg00 said:

Irish_Man said:

I'm Buying a colt python to shoot the corona zombies like Rick in walking dead.


Just one? Come on, man. Realize your Texan potential and dual-wield.
I have +2 in this skill. Will be dual welding a sawed off shotgun and a katana in close range combat.
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I like how the response of normies is to immediately go to the most crowded place imaginable to panic buy. Listen to the guy coughing here, in a pandemic, all this does is spread more disease.

Edit - This is why you pay attention and prepare beforehand or you go at off hours. For instance, go to the grocery store at 10 pm on a week night. There is no one there and they are stocking the shelves.
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Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess
I am not friends with school shooters.
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IrishTxAggie said:

I imagine the SSR list is going to get pretty long if the the selloff persists
I had to search for the definition of SSR.
I came up with "short sale rule(restrictions). Even if I was wrong on your meaning of SSR, the education was worth it.

https://bullsonwallstreet.com/short-sale-restrictions/

And this trading is way the heck out of my league.
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I am not friends with school shooters.
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If you weren't prepared you're too late. It's kind of the whole idea of prepping.

I'm no "prepper", but I live on a mountain with a well, a generator, backup fuel, and enough food and ammunition to stay here if I have to.
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From Real Clear Science

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Five Reasons You Don't Need to Panic About the COVID-19 Coronavirus
By Ross Pomeroy - RCP StaffFebruary 29, 2020

The COVID-19 coronavirus that emerged in Wuhan, China back in December 2019 is now spreading globally and will undoubtedly be declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization (WHO) very soon. Its ascendance has already rattled stock markets, disrupted the daily lives of millions, and resulted in the heartbreaking deaths of nearly 3,000 people, including the first in the United States on February 29th. With COVID-19's spread now picking up steam outside of China it has now arrived in at least 60 countries and new cases are rising almost every day we can expect its outbreak to get worse before it gets better.

Make no mistake, COVID-19 is a grave pathogenic threat which must be taken seriously. According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC):

More cases are likely to be identified in the coming days, including more cases in the United States. It's also likely that person-to-person spread will continue to occur, including in the United States. Widespread transmission of COVID-19 in the United States would translate into large numbers of people needing medical care at the same time. Schools, childcare centers, workplaces, and other places for mass gatherings may experience more absenteeism. Public health and healthcare systems may become overloaded, with elevated rates of hospitalizations and deaths. Other critical infrastructure, such as law enforcement, emergency medical services, and transportation industry may also be affected. Health care providers and hospitals may be overwhelmed.


The CDC's warning is frank and unnerving. It is an impetus for sober and reasoned action. Stock up on a week's worth of frozen/canned food. Restock your medicine cabinet. Practice proper hygiene. Stay home if you're feeling sick. There is no need, however, to panic. If you're feeling in any way anxious about the coronavirus outbreak, here are five facts to help assuage your worries.

1. The number of cases in China is already falling significantly. Where once the graph of coronavirus cases in China showed an exponential climb, it has now leveled off substantially. Just three weeks ago, China was recording more than 3,000 new cases per day. Officials are now consistently reporting fewer than five hundred, with the number still dropping. Seeing much-improved conditions on the ground, big companies like Starbucks and Apple in China are resuming business activities. The latest (Feb. 29th) World Health Organization (WHO) situation report revealed 435 new cases in China in the previous 24 hours.

2. The vast majority of cases are mild, and the death rate is likely lower than reported. A large study of 72,000 confirmed COVID-19 patients in China found that 81% of cases were mild, another 14% were severe (characterized by difficulty breathing), and 5% were critical. Overall, the death rate was 2.3 percent. More recently, the WHO reported a death rate of 3.8% in China, but noted that it is rapidly falling as standards of care quickly improve. Early on, the city of Wuhan (where the disease originated) was inundated with patients and hospitals could not provide proper care due to overwhelming demand. For Chinese patients whose symptoms started after February 1st, the death rate is just 0.7 percent. (For comparison, the U.S. death rate from 2019-20's annual flu oubtreak is between .06 percent to 0.1 percent. SARS a similar virus to COVID-19, had a death rate of 9.6 percent.) The death rate could be even lower, as very mild cases of COVID-19 that resemble a common cold likely go unreported.

3. Only one out of every 1,000 people in Hubei Province has contracted the coronavirus. There have been 66,337 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in China's Hubei Province, where the outbreak began in December. That sounds like a lot, but keep in mind that the population of Hubei is 59,170,000. The province is slightly smaller than Nebraska, but with thirty times as many inhabitants. With this sort of population density, it's a positive sign that just .11% (roughly 1 in 1000) of the population has caught COVID-19. Even if there were 53,000 unreported cases, that would mean only one out of every 500 people in Hubei caught the virus. Given the population density in most other countries is significantly lower than in China, we can expect that the coronavirus will have a much harder time spreading in much of the world.

4. There have been no reported deaths in young children. Though the outbreak has endured for more than nine weeks, there still have been no fatalities in children under the age of nine, with almost all infected simply experiencing cold-like symptoms. Moreover, only 2.4% of cases are in individuals under the age of 18. Kids and teenagers have been surprisingly resistant to the virus.

The death rate for people aged 10 to 39 currently stands at just 0.2 percent. Those genuinely at risk from COVID-19 are the elderly. People aged 80 and up have a 14.8% to 21.9% chance of dying if infected.

5. The world already survived another pandemic just ten years ago. Remember H1N1, more commonly known as Swine Flu? This was the most recent pandemic (besides HIV/AIDS, which is still considered a pandemic). It began in early 2009 and lasted through late 2010. Between April 2009 and April 2010, there were approximately 60.8 million cases, 274,304 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths in the United States alone! Globally, it likely infected between 700 million and 1.4 billion people, resulting in 150,000 to 575,000 fatalities. While this loss of life was tragic, more than a decade later, many scarcely remember Swine Flu. The same will hopefully happen with COVID-19.

*Updated March 1st with the latest statistics.


https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/02/29/five_reasons_you_dont_need_to_panic_about_the_covid-19_coronavirus.html
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Wall Street is preparing to possibly shut down the Exchange floor. That's really going to help with the psyche on Monday.
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You would think more people would think more people would go to the grocery stores at off hours like at 10 pm or something but nope, everyone wants to hit it at the same time. I don't know about you guys but I'm never ever going to the store during a pandemic during the most crowded times. That is just being completely brain dead.
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ONE-TWO-- said:

Anyone have good lists of food/items they are stocking up on? Gonna make a Sams run in a bit


Sams club
- 25lb bag rice
Green bean/ corn casescome out to .50 a can
Canned chicken breast / tuna
Water -large case of individual bottles for 3$ or 6 gallons 3$ - either one comes to .004 per oz.
Ibuprofen/ tylenol large quantity in makers mark brand
Nitrile gloves 400 ct 15$
Powdered milk
Spaghettj o's
Spam 8 pk
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Might as well just shut down the market completely for a few months.
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